Official Gameday Thread - BC at Clemson -10.2.21

[commavegarage]

By your logic every acc team should be able to scoop up baby rapist 3rd stringers to make them second stringers.

That’s so dumb.

We’ll probably go 8-4 this year. We’d win 10 with Phil. Name me a peer school where the starter goes down for the year and they don’t lose a couple of extra games as a result.

[HJS]

but again, what's the pitch to get a better than patriot league qb in?

in the scenario you said: hey drew pyne, come and be the backup at bc opposed to the backup at ND?

"Hey Drew Pyne, come to BC and be a starter if Jurk breaks again... or be the uncontested starter in 2022 if he doesn't."

[HJS]

By your logic every acc team should be able to scoop up baby rapist 3rd stringers to make them second stringers.

That’s so dumb.

We’ll probably go 8-4 this year. We’d win 10 with Phil. Name me a peer school where the starter goes down for the year and they don’t lose a couple of extra games as a result.

Name me a peer school where Dennis Grosel is a starting QB.

[commavegarage]

And if South Bend is closed for business, there are a ton of 3rd string QBs at any Baby Rapist you can name who might be happy with a promotion to second string with a real chance to start. Any one of those guys would have a better arm and better athleticism than Grosel. and one easily fixed this past off season.

What if he did exactly what you said because he saw what we saw. Reached out to every SEC third stringer and said “you can be the backup here for 2 years then start”.

Every single one of them would have probably said no. If you are an 18 year old willing to ride the pine at a baby rapist why would you move to ride the pine at a non baby rapist. So what next?

Convincing a player with actual skill to come and sit behind someone for 2 years is a lot easier said than done. Blame the staff all you want, but the logic of “we should be able to easily get a 3 at a baby rapist to be a 2 for 2 years here” is stupid.

[commavegarage]

Got it. So we’re supposed to convince a 18-19 year old that he’ll start at some point because our QB might get hurt.

This Jurk to the pros argument after this year is ridiculous. Who is he Dave shinskie?

[commavegarage]

By your logic every acc team should be able to scoop up baby rapist 3rd stringers to make them second stringers.

That’s so dumb.

We’ll probably go 8-4 this year. We’d win 10 with Phil. Name me a peer school where the starter goes down for the year and they don’t lose a couple of extra games as a result.

Name me a peer school where Dennis Grosel is a starting QB.

He’s not a starting qb.

[Dick Rosenthal]

By your logic every acc team should be able to scoop up baby rapist 3rd stringers to make them second stringers.

That’s so dumb.

We’ll probably go 8-4 this year. We’d win 10 with Phil. Name me a peer school where the starter goes down for the year and they don’t lose a couple of extra games as a result.

If the ACC had better coaching, that’s exactly what it would do. Kentucky has the best QB it has had since Tim Couch because they went and plucked a Penn State kid, and if you know about the recruitment they pitched him on being a back up with a line of site to playing—which happened after the starter went down in the Spring—and now here he is and Kentucky—a shitty, wasteland of a football program is having a historically good year. There are about a dozen other examples of kids moving in the past year, not to start, but for an opportunity to play next year. That is the way smart programs operate—in fact, plucking discarded 4/5 stars from Baby Rapists is turning into the primary QB recruiting tool for mid-tier P5 teams. And maybe not all kids are persuadable, but given the insane activity in the transfer portal, a large number of them are.

And the pitch to Pyne is simple. Hey Drew, you are a junior. This was supposed to be your time. And now Kelly has brought in the kid from Wisconsin. Also, have you noticed that Kelly keeps telling the press that Tyler Buchner is the best QB he has ever landed at ND. You think you are anywhere in their plans as a starter at this point, or even 2nd string? Look, Jurk is going in the first round at the end of this season if we can keep him healthy and there is no one ready to play next year. And if Jurk goes down this year you get the keys to a team that is poised to make some noise this year and if you are successful, the competition for 2022 is wide open. With Clark it is even easier—Brendan, we both know you are never seeing the field. You come here, you will see the field this year if Jurk gets hurt or you’ll see the field next year if he finishes upright. Then you have three years to start because of your redshirt and the ‘vid year.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

let's be really honest at this point... glass phil will be broken again next year prior to the redshirt burning game. if hafley doesn't have a contingency in place better than mrs. funishment, then all faith in this young man is lost for me and i wish him well at his next nfl or better d-1 job

edit - and we need to slow the roll on glass phil to the nfl until he can prove that he can "stay upright" for more than 4 games at a time

[HJS]

let's be really honest at this point... glass phil will be broken again next year prior to the redshirt burning game. if hafley doesn't have a contingency in place better than mrs. funishment, then all faith in this young man is lost for me and i wish him well at his next nfl or better d-1 job

edit - and we need to slow the roll on glass phil to the nfl until he can prove that he can "stay upright" for more than 4 games at a time

By using that logic, you are saying that we should simultaneously have 3 NFL-ready QBs on the roster at the same time. I'm sorry, name another mid-major program that had Matt Ryan, Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert all on the roster at the same time. You can't.

[claver2010]

but again, what's the pitch to get a better than patriot league qb in?

in the scenario you said: hey drew pyne, come and be the backup at bc opposed to the backup at ND?

"Hey Drew Pyne, come to BC stay at ND and be a starter if Jurk Coan breaks again."

[DomingoOrtiz]

but again, what's the pitch to get a better than patriot league qb in?

in the scenario you said: hey drew pyne, come and be the backup at bc opposed to the backup at ND?

"Hey Drew Pyne, come to BC and be a starter if Jurk breaks again... or be the uncontested starter in 2022 if he doesn't."

Could we recruit someone not in The Portal?

[commavegarage]

let's be really honest at this point... glass phil will be broken again next year prior to the redshirt burning game. if hafley doesn't have a contingency in place better than mrs. funishment, then all faith in this young man is lost for me and i wish him well at his next nfl or better d-1 job

edit - and we need to slow the roll on glass phil to the nfl until he can prove that he can "stay upright" for more than 4 games at a time

Completely agree

[eepstein0]

but again, what's the pitch to get a better than patriot league qb in?

in the scenario you said: hey drew pyne, come and be the backup at bc opposed to the backup at ND?

"Hey Drew Pyne, come to BC and be a starter if Jurk breaks again... or be the uncontested starter in 2022 if he doesn't."

Could we recruit someone not in The Portal?

Sure, but it's Hafley's second year after getting hired during the middle of a pandemic...

[eepstein0]

Got it. So we’re supposed to convince a 18-19 year old that he’ll start at some point because our QB might get hurt.

This Jurk to the pros argument after this year is ridiculous. Who is he Dave shinskie?

That recruiting pitch works precisely with no one. It's also pretty hard to identify whether the third string QB on "insert SEC Team here" is actually any good when they never play.

[HJS]

It's also pretty hard to identify whether the third string QB on "insert SEC Team here" is actually any good when they never play.

We don't need "good." We just need "better than Grosel."

[hansen]

let's be really honest at this point... glass phil will be broken again next year prior to the redshirt burning game. if hafley doesn't have a contingency in place better than mrs. funishment, then all faith in this young man is lost for me and i wish him well at his next nfl or better d-1 job

edit - and we need to slow the roll on glass phil to the nfl until he can prove that he can "stay upright" for more than 4 games at a time

Fragility issues aside any NFL GM drafting Phil after this year (even if he had stayed healthy and put up good or very good results) would be taking a huge risk and 100% betting on future upside. For this reason, I think he needed two seasons if he wanted first round money.

[hansen]

It's also pretty hard to identify whether the third string QB on "insert SEC Team here" is actually any good when they never play.

We don't need "good." We just need "better than Grosel."

saving this for when Dennis leads us to 10-2 glory.

[flyingelvii]

let's be really honest at this point... glass phil will be broken again next year prior to the redshirt burning game. if hafley doesn't have a contingency in place better than mrs. funishment, then all faith in this young man is lost for me and i wish him well at his next nfl or better d-1 job

edit - and we need to slow the roll on glass phil to the nfl until he can prove that he can "stay upright" for more than 4 games at a time

Fragility issues aside any NFL GM drafting Phil after this year (even if he had stayed healthy and put up good or very good results) would be taking a huge risk and 100% betting on future upside. For this reason, I think he needed two seasons if he wanted first round money.

Zach Wilson says hello. Trey Lance too. Kinda Mac Jones and his 1.5 seasons.

[innocentbystander]

let's be really honest at this point... glass phil will be broken again next year prior to the redshirt burning game. if hafley doesn't have a contingency in place better than mrs. funishment, then all faith in this young man is lost for me and i wish him well at his next nfl or better d-1 job

edit - and we need to slow the roll on glass phil to the nfl until he can prove that he can "stay upright" for more than 4 games at a time

glad you added the edit on the nfl.

[DomingoOrtiz]

but again, what's the pitch to get a better than patriot league qb in?

in the scenario you said: hey drew pyne, come and be the backup at bc opposed to the backup at ND?

"Hey Drew Pyne, come to BC and be a starter if Jurk breaks again... or be the uncontested starter in 2022 if he doesn't."

Could we recruit someone not in The Portal?

Sure, but it's Hafley's second year after getting hired during the middle of a pandemic...

I didn't think they could?

[Dick Rosenthal]

It's also pretty hard to identify whether the third string QB on "insert SEC Team here" is actually any good when they never play.

We don't need "good." We just need "better than Grosel."

This. We need better than a Patriot League QB. Fairly low bar that 90% of P5 third stringers can meet. And the pitch isn't you start if our starter gets hurt. The pitch is you are buried on the depth chart and your coaching staff has given up on you. Come here. Yes, you will be a back up initially, but that is certainly better than 3rd string, and take a look at our depth chart, when Phil departs, you are the presumptive starter. At Baby Rapist U, you are the back up to the back up and are just hanging around waiting for them to shove you out the door when the next heralded freshman arrives next year.

I think it is hilarious that most of you don't see how the transfer portal has radically altered the recruiting world, especially at the QB position. The idea of a four year depth player at that position is gone, unless you are willing to take a kid below the level at which your program resides for continuity, familiarity with offense purposes(like taking a kid whose only offers are outside the P5). The problem with BC and Grosel is we took someone who was 3 or 4 levels below our program's level.

[eepstein0]

It's also pretty hard to identify whether the third string QB on "insert SEC Team here" is actually any good when they never play.

We don't need "good." We just need "better than Grosel."

This. We need better than a Patriot League QB. Fairly low bar that 90% of P5 third stringers can meet. And the pitch isn't you start if our starter gets hurt. The pitch is you are buried on the depth chart and your coaching staff has given up on you. Come here. Yes, you will be a back up initially, but that is certainly better than 3rd string, and take a look at our depth chart, when Phil departs, you are the presumptive starter. At Baby Rapist U, you are the back up to the back up and are just hanging around waiting for them to shove you out the door when the next heralded freshman arrives next year.

I think it is hilarious that most of you don't see how the transfer portal has radically altered the recruiting world, especially at the QB position. The idea of a four year depth player at that position is gone, unless you are willing to take a kid below the level at which your program resides for continuity, familiarity with offense purposes(like taking a kid whose only offers are outside the P5). The problem with BC and Grosel is we took someone who was 3 or 4 levels below our program's level.

I witnessed Fadule and Flutie. He could be much worse.

[commavegarage]

Grosel is not worse than 90% of P5 3rd stringers.

Hell he sucks but he wasn’t much worse than clemsons first stringer Saturday.

[hansen]

Grosel is not worse than 90% of P5 3rd stringers.

Hell he sucks but he wasn’t much worse than clemsons first stringer Saturday.

this

[Corporal Funishment]

Grosel is not worse than 90% of P5 3rd stringers.

Hell he sucks but he wasn’t much worse than clemsons first stringer Saturday.

In the fourth quarter Grosel was significantly better than his 5-star counterpart.

[eagle33]

Grosel is not worse than 90% of P5 3rd stringers.

Hell he sucks but he wasn’t much worse than clemsons first stringer Saturday.

In the fourth quarter Grosel was significantly better than his 5-star counterpart.

dabo should have been smart enough to raid the xfer portal and convince an unhappy third stringer to go to clemson and wait for his turn there.

[DomingoOrtiz]

the qb position is a shit show, but i think its tough to totally kill hafley for it

clemson has been one of the two best programs in the nation the last 8 years, gets every player they want, back to back first round qbs...they get a 5 star recruit, #1 at his position, he comes in at QB after sitting under the "tutelage of Trevor" for a year and is one of the worst qbs we will face.

our qb situation is a disaster, but you need to tell me where hafley went wrong if you want to kill him for the current situation.

December 2019: Hired as coach

January 2020: gets jurk to transfer to BC for three years as potential starter qb without having to sit out. if the criticism here is that jurk is made of glass (somewhat fair) so he shouldn't have gotten him, then you have to be okay with last year being 12 games of grosel. it wasn't fair to expect him to get an impact true freshman qb given his hiring timeline

2020 season: since you are playing jurk, he's got 2 years after this, and he looks at the very least decent (4 of his first 5 games 300+ yards passing) you have to convince a top qb recruit to pass over a baby rapist where he would have to sit anyway, to sit here for a couple of years. in my mind the only shot in 2020 that we got a top qb here is if we had grosel playing so you could say "youll get to start for 4 years", thus torpedoing the 2020 season

Additions to the QB timeline:
Dec. 1999 Though AB had entered The Portal, he went to the team meeting where JH met the team and from public comments, its sounds like he could have been talked into staying;
Jan 2020 Rueve was offered;
Dec 2020 Sam Johnson enters The Portal;
April 2021 Matt Valecce enters The Portal.

Ok so is the argument you’d rather have AB than Jurk? That’s reasonable. If we did go that route this year would be a rebuilding year at the qb position.

I can’t believe people actually think that we should have a very solid backup qb on this roster given the circumstances.

No, you are leaping to conclusions here. I would much rather have a healthy Jurk than a healthy AB.

Look, if Morehead turns out to be terrible, that is on JH. Otherwise, the fact that our 2-deep consists of Grosel and Menard is on the halfwit currently 1-3 in Fort Collins.

[Corporal Funishment]

the qb position is a shit show, but i think its tough to totally kill hafley for it

clemson has been one of the two best programs in the nation the last 8 years, gets every player they want, back to back first round qbs...they get a 5 star recruit, #1 at his position, he comes in at QB after sitting under the "tutelage of Trevor" for a year and is one of the worst qbs we will face.

our qb situation is a disaster, but you need to tell me where hafley went wrong if you want to kill him for the current situation.

December 2019: Hired as coach

January 2020: gets jurk to transfer to BC for three years as potential starter qb without having to sit out. if the criticism here is that jurk is made of glass (somewhat fair) so he shouldn't have gotten him, then you have to be okay with last year being 12 games of grosel. it wasn't fair to expect him to get an impact true freshman qb given his hiring timeline

2020 season: since you are playing jurk, he's got 2 years after this, and he looks at the very least decent (4 of his first 5 games 300+ yards passing) you have to convince a top qb recruit to pass over a baby rapist where he would have to sit anyway, to sit here for a couple of years. in my mind the only shot in 2020 that we got a top qb here is if we had grosel playing so you could say "youll get to start for 4 years", thus torpedoing the 2020 season

Additions to the QB timeline:
Dec. 1999 Though AB had entered The Portal, he went to the team meeting where JH met the team and from public comments, its sounds like he could have been talked into staying;
Jan 2020 Rueve was offered;
Dec 2020 Sam Johnson enters The Portal;
April 2021 Matt Valecce enters The Portal.

Ok so is the argument you’d rather have AB than Jurk? That’s reasonable. If we did go that route this year would be a rebuilding year at the qb position.

I can’t believe people actually think that we should have a very solid backup qb on this roster given the circumstances.

No, you are leaping to conclusions here. I would much rather have a healthy Jurk than a healthy AB.

Look, if Morehead turns out to be terrible, that is on JF. Otherwise, the fact that our 2-deep consists of Grosel and Menard is on the halfwit currently 1-3 in Fort Collins.

JF = Jesus Forgetter?

[commavegarage]

the qb position is a shit show, but i think its tough to totally kill hafley for it

clemson has been one of the two best programs in the nation the last 8 years, gets every player they want, back to back first round qbs...they get a 5 star recruit, #1 at his position, he comes in at QB after sitting under the "tutelage of Trevor" for a year and is one of the worst qbs we will face.

our qb situation is a disaster, but you need to tell me where hafley went wrong if you want to kill him for the current situation.

December 2019: Hired as coach

January 2020: gets jurk to transfer to BC for three years as potential starter qb without having to sit out. if the criticism here is that jurk is made of glass (somewhat fair) so he shouldn't have gotten him, then you have to be okay with last year being 12 games of grosel. it wasn't fair to expect him to get an impact true freshman qb given his hiring timeline

2020 season: since you are playing jurk, he's got 2 years after this, and he looks at the very least decent (4 of his first 5 games 300+ yards passing) you have to convince a top qb recruit to pass over a baby rapist where he would have to sit anyway, to sit here for a couple of years. in my mind the only shot in 2020 that we got a top qb here is if we had grosel playing so you could say "youll get to start for 4 years", thus torpedoing the 2020 season

Additions to the QB timeline:
Dec. 1999 Though AB had entered The Portal, he went to the team meeting where JH met the team and from public comments, its sounds like he could have been talked into staying;
Jan 2020 Rueve was offered;
Dec 2020 Sam Johnson enters The Portal;
April 2021 Matt Valecce enters The Portal.

Ok so is the argument you’d rather have AB than Jurk? That’s reasonable. If we did go that route this year would be a rebuilding year at the qb position.

I can’t believe people actually think that we should have a very solid backup qb on this roster given the circumstances.

No, you are leaping to conclusions here. I would much rather have a healthy Jurk than a healthy AB.

Look, if Morehead turns out to be terrible, that is on JH. Otherwise, the fact that our 2-deep consists of Grosel and Menard is on the halfwit currently 1-3 in Fort Collins.

i agree - my point was if you want to present the argument that you'd rather have AB than jurk, that is a reasonable argument. i dont agree with it but it is logical because it could have realistically happened.

to expect hafley to have some good backup qb as if they grow on trees / would want to come to play backup to a qb for likely two years just doesnt make a whole lot of sense

[RegalBCeagle]

The only time we had a good backup QB was when TOB had The Shredder starting.