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I know that it's a popular revisionist history to claim that Jags was an awful recruiter, but look at that 2008 class:

Stephen Atkinson
Codi Boek
Nick Clancy
Emmett Cleary
Alexander DiSanzo
Donte Elliott
Donnie Fletcher
Mike Goodman
Josh Haden
Nick Halloran
Montel Harris
Chris Hayden-Martin
Max Holloway
Isaac Johnson
Jerry Kelly
Christian Klein
Colin Larmond
Clyde  Lee
Dominick LeGrande
Bryan Murray
Patrick Neumann
Okechuckwu Okoroha
Ugo Okpara
Chris Pantale
Ryan Quigley
Kaleb Ramsey
Eric Reynolds
Mike Stone
Justin Tuggle

Your sig has a Boise feel to it.

Definately a class group, although many of them have a lot to prove still, but they are looking good so far!

I thought the "official" story was that Jags gave up on recruiting, not necessarily that he was never any good at it.

TampaDoubleEagle {l Wrote}:I thought the "official" story was that Jags gave up on recruiting, not necessarily that he was never any good at it.

Yes, that was the version of the story Coach Flip leaked to the media and recruiting sites.

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TampaDoubleEagle {l Wrote}:I thought the "official" story was that Jags gave up on recruiting, not necessarily that he was never any good at it.

Yes, that was the version of the story Coach Flip leaked to the media and recruiting sites.

It has the added benefit of being plausible, given the difference between the class in this post and the one that came after.

Jags' only full recruiting class was incredible. That's almost half the 2-deep right there.

That class is seemingly an excellent haul. The one glaring exception is a QB. If there was ever a time to hit on a top QB, that was the year. I still contend they went after the wrong kind of QB, and therefore struck out big time. I'm hopeful that one of the current QB's goes on to a successful career here, or that they bridge the gap significantly for a monster career by Rettig.

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:That class is seemingly an excellent haul. The one glaring exception is a QB. If there was ever a time to hit on a top QB, that was the year. I still contend they went after the wrong kind of QB, and therefore struck out big time. I'm hopeful that one of the current QB's goes on to a successful career here, or that they bridge the gap significantly for a monster career by Rettig.

Let's not write off Tuggle yet. He's only played one game and thrown 5 passes.

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RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:That class is seemingly an excellent haul. The one glaring exception is a QB. If there was ever a time to hit on a top QB, that was the year. I still contend they went after the wrong kind of QB, and therefore struck out big time. I'm hopeful that one of the current QB's goes on to a successful career here, or that they bridge the gap significantly for a monster career by Rettig.

Let's not write off Tuggle yet. He's only played one game and thrown 5 passes.

Yeah but the staff clearly has no faith in him.

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:That class is seemingly an excellent haul. The one glaring exception is a QB. If there was ever a time to hit on a top QB, that was the year. I still contend they went after the wrong kind of QB, and therefore struck out big time. I'm hopeful that one of the current QB's goes on to a successful career here, or that they bridge the gap significantly for a monster career by Rettig.

Let's not write off Tuggle yet. He's only played one game and thrown 5 passes.

Yeah but the staff clearly has no faith in him.

Tuggle might be a good placeholder, but Rettig has the talent to be a superstar, lets hope that as soon as he's available they get him ready and going and don't hold any seniority over him... or was that only a TOBby kinda move?

There are plenty of reasons to dump on Jags, but the whole recruiting thing shouldn't be one of them. You can't say his recruiting sucked and yet keep his recruiting coordinator (who was hand picked by Gene) and you promote the DC who hadn't actively recruited in years.

great class but I agree, jags wasn't a great qb recruiter for our school. We have always had big offensive lineman and pro style quarterbacks so that is who we appeal to. Changing that up hurts what we do get. Jags tried for too harsh a transition, he needed to try and phase pro style qbs out rather than all of a sudden stop. That being said, What the 1-2 punch has done and will do makes this a terrific class.

BC923 {l Wrote}:great class but I agree, jags wasn't a great qb recruiter for our school. We have always had big offensive lineman and pro style quarterbacks so that is who we appeal to. Changing that up hurts what we do get. Jags tried for too harsh a transition, he needed to try and phase pro style qbs out rather than all of a sudden stop. That being said, What the 1-2 punch has done and will do makes this a terrific class.

I don't think most people said jags was bad at recruiting. I think it was more what people have mentioned above, that he didn't do a good job with QB and that his second year there was not near enough energy put into recruiting as compared to his first full year.

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:There are plenty of reasons to dump on Jags, but the whole recruiting thing shouldn't be one of them. You can't say his recruiting sucked and yet keep his recruiting coordinator (who was hand picked by Gene) and you promote the DC who hadn't actively recruited in years.

I'll paraphrase what someone else said in another thread: The best thing Jags did in terms of recruiting was getting speed. We need more and more of it.

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RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:That class is seemingly an excellent haul. The one glaring exception is a QB. If there was ever a time to hit on a top QB, that was the year. I still contend they went after the wrong kind of QB, and therefore struck out big time. I'm hopeful that one of the current QB's goes on to a successful career here, or that they bridge the gap significantly for a monster career by Rettig.

Let's not write off Tuggle yet. He's only played one game and thrown 5 passes.

Yeah but the staff clearly has no faith in him.

Tuggle might be a good placeholder, but Rettig has the talent to be a superstar, lets hope that as soon as he's available they get him ready and going and don't hold any seniority over him... or was that only a TOBby kinda move?

Rettig better be damn handsome because everyone knows the only criteria for a qb are seniority and handsomeness.

Jags was an excellent recruiter in discovering diamonds in the rough. He has had an incredibly high hit rate on 2- and 3-star guys. I agree that he (and more to the point, Logan) focused too little on BC's history and uniqueness when factoring in what kind of QB to recruit. While I think Jags wasn't the greatest recruiter one-on-one and while I think his recruiting strategy was non-existant, I do think he was able to identify talent. Hell, look at guys we missed out on. Even they have turned out to be pretty damn good (hello Jacory Harris).

As I've said before, Jags wasn't a smart guy and was arrogant. That combination ultimately cost him his job. But, it was all things outside of the program (i.e. not kissing the Don's ring enough). Nothing within the that Jags did should be met with anything but gratitude. Unless, of course, you are an old POS who still can't get over Toby not being our coach.

HJS {l Wrote}:Jags was an excellent recruiter in discovering diamonds in the rough. He has had an incredibly high hit rate on 2- and 3-star guys. I agree that he (and more to the point, Logan) focused too little on BC's history and uniqueness when factoring in what kind of QB to recruit. While I think Jags wasn't the greatest recruiter one-on-one and while I think his recruiting strategy was non-existant, I do think he was able to identify talent. Hell, look at guys we missed out on. Even they have turned out to be pretty damn good (hello Jacory Harris).

As I've said before, Jags wasn't a smart guy and was arrogant. That combination ultimately cost him his job. But, it was all things outside of the program (i.e. not kissing the Don's ring enough). Nothing within the that Jags did should be met with anything but gratitude. Unless, of course, you are an old POS who still can't get over Toby not being our coach.

Are you prdicting a possible loss to Kent St. this week like you did for Northeastern?

Eagledom {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:Jags was an excellent recruiter in discovering diamonds in the rough. He has had an incredibly high hit rate on 2- and 3-star guys. I agree that he (and more to the point, Logan) focused too little on BC's history and uniqueness when factoring in what kind of QB to recruit. While I think Jags wasn't the greatest recruiter one-on-one and while I think his recruiting strategy was non-existant, I do think he was able to identify talent. Hell, look at guys we missed out on. Even they have turned out to be pretty damn good (hello Jacory Harris).

As I've said before, Jags wasn't a smart guy and was arrogant. That combination ultimately cost him his job. But, it was all things outside of the program (i.e. not kissing the Don's ring enough). Nothing within the that Jags did should be met with anything but gratitude. Unless, of course, you are an old POS who still can't get over Toby not being our coach.

Are you prdicting a possible loss to Kent St. this week like you did for Northeastern?

Yes. It is possible that we lose to Kent St.
I know I didn't say that we would possibly lose to Northeaster, but... considering I think that anything is possible, I would've agreed with the comment last week. I never really get the Tobyfiles who follow me around and mock me for shit I never posted. I post enough crap that, if your life was so meaningless that you felt the need to "call me out" on the accuracy of each of my interweb postings, you would have plenty of real material. Sigh... at least this board will get the benefit of viewership from my virtual stalkers.

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Postby HJS on Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:23 pm
1. Awesome new site. Will really have fun checking things out once I get back from vacation.
2. I don't hold any grudge against those who want to post on the other sites. However, I would wish that said postings would be like Talon's and RevMike's have been on EA... i.e. making the occasional snide remarks. Original thoughts, flames and board wars would ideally be kept here.
3. I predict that we will struggle mightily today. We are eleventy billion times better than Northeastern, but I think Spaz has done a crap job getting these kids mentally ready to start the season. Wouldn't even be THAT surprised by a loss... thought it would be the worst loss in BC history.
4. I predicted the TOB game right on down to the drop pass in the endzone... I predicted that he would've caught it and TOB would have won his usually boring game that made all his fans feel about as horrible as you can feel about a team after a win. But... they lost and Toby is realizing that NCS doesn't have the same magic that BC had.
5. With a good coach, this team is 7-5. With an average coach, this team is 6-6. Let's see where Spaz falls on the scale.


Wouldn't even be THAT surprised by a loss... thought it would be the worst loss in BC history

HJS {l Wrote}:

Eagledom {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:Jags was an excellent recruiter in discovering diamonds in the rough. He has had an incredibly high hit rate on 2- and 3-star guys. I agree that he (and more to the point, Logan) focused too little on BC's history and uniqueness when factoring in what kind of QB to recruit. While I think Jags wasn't the greatest recruiter one-on-one and while I think his recruiting strategy was non-existant, I do think he was able to identify talent. Hell, look at guys we missed out on. Even they have turned out to be pretty damn good (hello Jacory Harris).

As I've said before, Jags wasn't a smart guy and was arrogant. That combination ultimately cost him his job. But, it was all things outside of the program (i.e. not kissing the Don's ring enough). Nothing within the that Jags did should be met with anything but gratitude. Unless, of course, you are an old POS who still can't get over Toby not being our coach.

Are you prdicting a possible loss to Kent St. this week like you did for Northeastern?

Yes. It is possible that we lose to Kent St.
[color=#0040FF]I know I didn't say that we would possibly lose to Northeaster[/color]but... considering I think that anything is possible, I would've agreed with the comment last week. I never really get the Tobyfiles who follow me around and mock me for shit I never posted. I post enough crap that, if your life was so meaningless that you felt the need to "call me out" on the accuracy of each of my interweb postings, you would have plenty of real material. Sigh... at least this board will get the benefit of viewership from my virtual stalkers.

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BC923 {l Wrote}:great class but I agree, jags wasn't a great qb recruiter for our school. We have always had big offensive lineman and pro style quarterbacks so that is who we appeal to. Changing that up hurts what we do get. Jags tried for too harsh a transition, he needed to try and phase pro style qbs out rather than all of a sudden stop. That being said, What the 1-2 punch has done and will do makes this a terrific class.

This is true save that our most iconic player was the exact opposite of a pro style quarterback, and pre-Ryan our best recent QB was also a scrambler (Paul Pete).

BigPete {l Wrote}:

BC923 {l Wrote}:great class but I agree, jags wasn't a great qb recruiter for our school. We have always had big offensive lineman and pro style quarterbacks so that is who we appeal to. Changing that up hurts what we do get. Jags tried for too harsh a transition, he needed to try and phase pro style qbs out rather than all of a sudden stop. That being said, What the 1-2 punch has done and will do makes this a terrific class.

This is true save that our most iconic player was the exact opposite of a pro style quarterback, and pre-Ryan our best recent QB was also a scrambler (Paul Pete).

That and everybody is already writing off the QB Jags brought in that's currently on the field. One game. Five passes. No one knows if they didn't land a single decent QB yet or not. Or if the guy's simply filler. And you don't know Rettig is better because he's still in highschool. Chris Crane had more stars than Rettig when he signed up here, so no - you don't know.

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:

BigPete {l Wrote}:

BC923 {l Wrote}:great class but I agree, jags wasn't a great qb recruiter for our school. We have always had big offensive lineman and pro style quarterbacks so that is who we appeal to. Changing that up hurts what we do get. Jags tried for too harsh a transition, he needed to try and phase pro style qbs out rather than all of a sudden stop. That being said, What the 1-2 punch has done and will do makes this a terrific class.

This is true save that our most iconic player was the exact opposite of a pro style quarterback, and pre-Ryan our best recent QB was also a scrambler (Paul Pete).

That and everybody is already writing off the QB Jags brought in that's currently on the field. One game. Five passes. No one knows if they didn't land a single decent QB yet or not. Or if the guy's simply filler. And you don't know Rettig is better because he's still in highschool. Chris Crane had more stars than Rettig when he signed up here, so no - you don't know.

e4gle1 and oldbaldeagle have already decided that "Tuggle seems like he's a clubhouse cancer" and OJ of course has already decided that he's a bust.

teddy... Like I said, there is plenty out there if you are so inclined... just use what I freaking write.

Eagledom's question asked if I was predicting another possible loss. I'll predict that it is possible we lose every game we play now until the end of time. I also predict the same possible loss for any future game of USC, Bama, Florida, etc. The question as posed by Eagledom is either retarded or phrased in a manner to suggest I predicted that Northeastern had something like a 50% chance of winning.

Regardless, Northeastern was not the same program we played a few years ago. That much was clear on Staurday. Outside of that, I don't think you can tell much about the team other than Spaz had them ready to play and they performed better than could have been expected. I think we will learn a hell of a lot more when we play Kent State. Unlike others, I think the MAC is a decent conference and KSU is going to be one of the conference's better teams this year.

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Postby HJS on Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:23 pm
1. Awesome new site. Will really have fun checking things out once I get back from vacation.
2. I don't hold any grudge against those who want to post on the other sites. However, I would wish that said postings would be like Talon's and RevMike's have been on EA... i.e. making the occasional snide remarks. Original thoughts, flames and board wars would ideally be kept here.
3. I predict that we will struggle mightily today. We are eleventy billion times better than Northeastern, but I think Spaz has done a crap job getting these kids mentally ready to start the season. Wouldn't even be THAT surprised by a loss... thought it would be the worst loss in BC history.
4. I predicted the TOB game right on down to the drop pass in the endzone... I predicted that he would've caught it and TOB would have won his usually boring game that made all his fans feel about as horrible as you can feel about a team after a win. But... they lost and Toby is realizing that NCS doesn't have the same magic that BC had.
5. With a good coach, this team is 7-5. With an average coach, this team is 6-6. Let's see where Spaz falls on the scale.


Wouldn't even be THAT surprised by a loss... thought it would be the worst loss in BC history

Research indicates a big gut or a lot of fat around the waistline impacts one's memory. HJS must have a snow tube filled with lard around his waist because it seems he can never remember anything he posts.

As an aside- love the OJ macro. If OJ actually registers with his EI handle, will he be posting as King of Dicks1969?

EDIT: Looks like it's not working.

OJ1969

Endless Mike {l Wrote}:As an aside- love the King of Dicks macro. If King of Dicks actually registers with his EI handle, will he be posting as OJ1969?

That name is already taken, as Manny tried to fake us all out zander-style last night

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:And you don't know Rettig is better because he's still in highschool. Chris Crane had more stars than Rettig when he signed up here, so no - you don't know.

What is the deal with Rettig???? WTF is a stress fracture of the back??? Can you even do that?
http://www.sanclementetimes.com/index.p ... eturnid=99
http://www.sanclementetimes.com/index.p ... eturnid=99
http://www.sanclementetimes.com/index.p ... eturnid=99

In other news, Kiffin finally landed a QB... but had to steal him from another program.
http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2009/sep/08/bray-says-hes-coming-to-tennessee/

Just busting your balls, HJS. I have no problem with your constant negativism. This one was just too easy to pass up.