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hansen {l Wrote}:I’ll say it again... Anything less than 6 regular season wins this year is a disaster (as long as Phil is healthy).

I’ll say it again...

The only two games we shouldn’t be able to stay close would be Clemson and Notre Dame—and I think Brian Kelly is more than capable of shitting the bed enough for us to stay close. The rest of the ACC is hot garbage. Dazzler would win six games with this OL and an honest to goodness D-I QB like Jurk. The over on six wins will depend entirely on whether Hafley is a good head coach. If he is a good coach, I think we win 8 games. If he is really good we will 9.

It is true that the D is still shaky, but we added some players that can patch some of those giant holes and I think we have a right to expect Hafley—the defensive wizard—will outperform Daz and staff in terms of scheming to cover deficiencies. The offense should score buckets of points this year.

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:The only two games we shouldn’t be able to stay close would be Clemson and Notre Dame—and I think Brian Kelly is more than capable of shitting the bed enough for us to stay close. The rest of the ACC is hot garbage. Dazzler would win six games with this OL and an honest to goodness D-I QB like Jurk. The over on six wins will depend entirely on whether Hafley is a good head coach. If he is a good coach, I think we win 8 games. If he is really good we will 9.

It is true that the D is still shaky, but we added some players that can patch some of those giant holes and I think we have a right to expect Hafley—the defensive wizard—will outperform Daz and staff in terms of scheming to cover deficiencies. The offense should score buckets of points this year.

This. If Jurk is mediocre, 6 wins. If he and Hafley are home runs, there are only 2 games we should not win and only one we have no chance.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:The only two games we shouldn’t be able to stay close would be Clemson and Notre Dame—and I think Brian Kelly is more than capable of shitting the bed enough for us to stay close. The rest of the ACC is hot garbage. Dazzler would win six games with this OL and an honest to goodness D-I QB like Jurk. The over on six wins will depend entirely on whether Hafley is a good head coach. If he is a good coach, I think we win 8 games. If he is really good we will 9.

It is true that the D is still shaky, but we added some players that can patch some of those giant holes and I think we have a right to expect Hafley—the defensive wizard—will outperform Daz and staff in terms of scheming to cover deficiencies. The offense should score buckets of points this year.

This. If Jurk is mediocre, 6 wins. If he and Hafley are home runs, there are only 2 games we should not win and only one we have no chance.

What if Jurk isn’t a savior? You guys are all believing Mike Farrell over Tommy Rees.

HJS {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:The only two games we shouldn’t be able to stay close would be Clemson and Notre Dame—and I think Brian Kelly is more than capable of shitting the bed enough for us to stay close. The rest of the ACC is hot garbage. Dazzler would win six games with this OL and an honest to goodness D-I QB like Jurk. The over on six wins will depend entirely on whether Hafley is a good head coach. If he is a good coach, I think we win 8 games. If he is really good we will 9.

It is true that the D is still shaky, but we added some players that can patch some of those giant holes and I think we have a right to expect Hafley—the defensive wizard—will outperform Daz and staff in terms of scheming to cover deficiencies. The offense should score buckets of points this year.

This. If Jurk is mediocre, 6 wins. If he and Hafley are home runs, there are only 2 games we should not win and only one we have no chance.

What if Jurk isn’t a savior? You guys are all believing Mike Farrell over Tommy Rees.

I answered your question in the first sentence. For the record, this wouldn't be the first QB that regime has messed up on. Hell even Tommy Rees got picked at ND. Kelly loves Trent Dilfer types.

You said mediocre... which I interpret as an average ACC QB. But, there is a chance he’s worse. I’m just saying that there is an awful lot of faith being put on a kid who has significantly less snaps than Grosel. If he’s good, it is a game changer as to how quickly Hafley will be able to accelerate the program. I’m just leaving over the possibility that he could be something short of expectations. Btw, if he is disappointing, that doesn’t mean he won’t improve and be great in two years. It just means we are looking at 4 wins for this season.

HJS {l Wrote}:You said mediocre... which I interpret as an average ACC QB. But, there is a chance he’s worse. I’m just saying that there is an awful lot of faith being put on a kid who has significantly less snaps than Grosel. If he’s good, it is a game changer as to how quickly Hafley will be able to accelerate the program. I’m just leaving over the possibility that he could be something short of expectations. Btw, if he is disappointing, that doesn’t mean he won’t improve and be great in two years. It just means we are looking at 4 wins for this season.

I think mediocre is the floor for the kid. I don't subscribe to your headcase theorem.

Jurk was a dominant quarterback in Western PA...there's a long history of star quarterbacks coming out of there and HS football there is top tier.

People I know who saw him play say he was one of the best they've ever seen. Is he going to be a star in college? Who knows, but I definitely wouldn't write him off because of Tommy Rees. I'd wager that it's a safe bet the kid can play.

'Nobody could be worse than Chris Crane' only applies in Jurk's case if Grosel beats him out for the starting role, which he will not. Savior or not, it's fair to expect that Jurk is gonna be the first QB we've had since NCBWTCC that actually isn't.

9/19 at Duke - W
9/26 vs Texas State - W
10/3 vs North Carolina - W
10/10 vs Pittsburgh - L
10/17 at Virginia Tech - L
10/24 vs Georgia Tech - W
10/31 at Clemson - L
11/7 at Syracuse - W
11/14 vs Notre Dame - L
11/27 vs Louisville - L
12/5 at Virginia - W

6-5

hansen {l Wrote}:Tell us who you think is going to win. no point spreads, no vegas odds, just the pure winner. feel free to add witty banter as you see fit.

9/19 at Duke W
9/26 vs Texas State W
10/3 vs North Carolina W
10/10 vs Pittsburgh W
10/17 at Virginia Tech L
10/24 vs Georgia Tech W
10/31 at Clemson W
11/7 at Syracuse W
11/14 vs Notre Dame L
11/27 vs Louisville W
12/5 at Virginia L

8-3

angrychicken {l Wrote}:

hansen {l Wrote}:Tell us who you think is going to win. no point spreads, no vegas odds, just the pure winner. feel free to add witty banter as you see fit.

9/19 at Duke W
9/26 vs Texas State W
10/3 vs North Carolina W
10/10 vs Pittsburgh W
10/17 at Virginia Tech L
10/24 vs Georgia Tech W
10/31 at Clemson W
11/7 at Syracuse W
11/14 vs Notre Dame L
11/27 vs Louisville W
12/5 at Virginia L

8-3

Predicting a win over Clemson? Wow, that’s bold.

hansen {l Wrote}:Tell us who you think is going to win. no point spreads, no vegas odds, just the pure winner. feel free to add witty banter as you see fit.

9/19 at Duke - W
9/26 vs Texas State - W
10/3 vs North Carolina - W
10/10 vs Pittsburgh - L
10/17 at Virginia Tech - W
10/24 vs Georgia Tech - W
10/31 at Clemson - L
11/7 at Syracuse - W
11/14 vs Notre Dame - L
11/27 vs Louisville - L
12/5 at Virginia - W

7 - 4.

I'm optimistic, for the first time in a while.

Here is what I have seen with my own eyes with respect to Jurk. His throwing motion is a bit jerky, but he has a cannon. I watched him throw a 40 yard cross field laser—left his hand six feet off the ground and hit the receiver in the chest on the opposite side of the field—while getting smashed in the sternum. He also runs better than any QB we have had—and I include Troy Murphy in that assessment. Even in garbage time behind walk-on OLs he ripped off some very nice runs at ND when everyone knew it was a run. He will gash people behind this line. And lest anyone forget, he was also an All State basketball player. We have not seen this kind of athleticism.

As for the fact that Rees and Kelly didn’t like him, who fucking cares. Brian Kelly has ruined every QB he has had except Tommy Rees (who was basically Grosel in terms of his arm and athletic ability) and Book, who has a pea shooter arm (I love Book’s attitude and the way he makes plays with his legs, but he has a below average arm). After that there is wreckage of numerous 4 and 5 star recruits destroyed by Brian Kelly—Dayne Crist and Gunner Kiel, who were destroyed before they even got a start, Everett Golson who had a fantastic freshman year when Kelly had to downsize and simplify his idiotic playbook, but who was destroyed during his second year as a starter when he was alleged to have grasped Kelly’s concepts. Ditto DeShon Kizer in almost the exact same fashion. Ditto Brandon Wimbush and ditto Malik Zaire, who actually beat a pretty damn good LSU team with Leonard Fournette in the last start of his first year and who was abandoned and discarded three games into his next year. At a certain point, all of these kids could not have been at fault and you have to look at the purple faced asshole coaching them.

I’d also note that Chip Long loved Jurk and the two reasons Kelly fired him was because (a) Long wanted Jurk to replace Book because it gave the offense the ability to stretch the field and (b) he thought they could run the ball more because Jurk was more durable and just as effective running RPOs as Book. This offended Kelly’s delicate sensibilities and most ND insiders think Rees was selected as the new OC because he would not call into question the intelligence and efficacy of Kelly’s offensive philosophy.

Here is what I have seen with my own eyes with respect to Jurk. His throwing motion is a bit jerky, but he has a cannon. I watched him throw a 40 yard cross field laser—left his hand six feet off the ground and hit the receiver in the chest on the opposite side of the field—while getting smashed in the sternum. He also runs better than any QB we have had—and I include Troy Murphy in that assessment. Even in garbage time behind walk-on OLs he ripped off some very nice runs at ND when everyone knew it was a run. He will gash people behind this line. And lest anyone forget, he was also an All State basketball player. We have not seen this kind of athleticism.

As for the fact that Rees and Kelly didn’t like him, who fucking cares. Brian Kelly has ruined every QB he has had except Tommy Rees (who was basically Grosel in terms of his arm and athletic ability) and Book, who has a pea shooter arm (I love Book’s attitude and the way he makes plays with his legs, but he has a below average arm). After that there is wreckage of numerous 4 and 5 star recruits destroyed by Brian Kelly—Dayne Crist and Gunner Kiel, who were destroyed before they even got a start, Everett Golson who had a fantastic freshman year when Kelly had to downsize and simplify his idiotic playbook, but who was destroyed during his second year as a starter when he was alleged to have grasped Kelly’s concepts. Ditto DeShon Kizer in almost the exact same fashion. Ditto Brandon Wimbush and ditto Malik Zaire, who actually beat a pretty damn good LSU team with Leonard Fournette in the last start of his first year and who was abandoned and discarded three games into his next year. At a certain point, all of these kids could not have been at fault and you have to look at the purple faced asshole coaching them.

I’d also note that Chip Long loved Jurk and the two reasons Kelly fired him was because (a) Long wanted Jurk to replace Book because it gave the offense the ability to stretch the field and (b) he thought they could run the ball more because Jurk was more durable and just as effective running RPOs as Book. This offended Kelly’s delicate sensibilities and most ND insiders think Rees was selected as the new OC because he would not call into question the intelligence and efficacy of Kelly’s offensive philosophy.

Jurk is going to have some real boneheaded plays as this is his first time getting extended burn. Hopefully none too crippling but there certainly is the chance he will foul up an otherwise winnable game.

On the flip, he has so much upside, the chances of shocking a higher ranked team through QB performance are at their greatest since Murphy. Legs and arm.

My base case is 4-7. As will be said by many others, Jurk is the source of significant upside possibilities. If he's a future NFL draft choice, we could even go 8-3. Even if injuries or COVID tear a terrible hole in the team, I don't see us going worse than 3-8 (assuming all games are played). The Pitt / Virginia Tech stretch will be key.

Have to start 2-0. Can't fathom dropping one of those two, and coming back for a reasonable season.

I added a poll.

Dick is 100% right about BK and his QB’s. He destroys every QB he coaches. His offense against good competition sucks. Don Brown completely shut ND down last season.

Jurk is the first legit ACC QB we have had in a long time. The recruiting is going very well at this position as well. This program is already light years ahead of Spazdaz years!

Go Eagles!

From what I am seeing from Miami tonight, if Jurk is merely a passable D-1 QB we will be better than the Canes. UAB is hot garbage and they are running ball more than effectively.

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:From what I am seeing from Miami tonight, if Jurk is merely a passable D-1 QB we will be better than the Canes. UAB is hot garbage and they are running ball more than effectively.

The U is trash. Has been for years.

angrychicken {l Wrote}:

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:From what I am seeing from Miami tonight, if Jurk is merely a passable D-1 QB we will be better than the Canes. UAB is hot garbage and they are running ball more than effectively.

The U is trash. Has been for years.

Agreed

King is good, but their OL is going to get him killed and keep them from amounting to anything this year.

9/19 at Duke W
9/26 vs Texas State W
10/3 vs North Carolina L
10/10 vs Pittsburgh L
10/17 at Virginia Tech L
10/24 vs Georgia Tech W
10/31 at Clemson L
11/7 at Syracuse W
11/14 vs Notre Dame L
11/27 vs Louisville L
12/5 at Virginia W

5-6

9/19 at Duke W
9/26 vs Texas State W
10/3 vs North Carolina L
10/10 vs Pittsburgh W
10/17 at Virginia Tech L
10/24 vs Georgia Tech W
10/31 at Clemson L
11/7 at Syracuse W
11/14 vs Notre Dame L
11/27 vs Louisville W
12/5 at Virginia W

I think they will upset one or more of UNC, the Ville and ND at home. If they don't 6-5. If they grab 2, 8-3. Otherwise, I think the rest of the schedule is pretty predictable. 7-4

9/19 at Duke W
9/26 vs Texas State W
10/3 vs North Carolina W
10/10 vs Pittsburgh W
10/17 at Virginia Tech L
10/24 vs Georgia Tech W
10/31 at Clemson L
11/7 at Syracuse W
11/14 vs Notre Dame L
11/27 vs Louisville L
12/5 at Virginia W

9/19 at Duke W double digit
9/26 vs Texas State W blowout
10/3 vs North Carolina L blowout
10/10 vs Pittsburgh L close
10/17 at Virginia Tech L close
10/24 vs Georgia Tech W
10/31 at Clemson L blowout
11/7 at Syracuse W close
11/14 vs Notre Dame L blowout
11/27 vs Louisville L double digit
12/5 at Virginia L close

This is a real difficult year to predict. The difference between a 3 win season and a 6 or 7 win season is, I think, really small, and shrouded in mystery.
My impression is that our offense may be underrated by the pundits, while the defense may be in for a long year.
So the key to wins may be ability to dominate time of possession on offense, with a good run/pass mix, and keep the other guys offense on the sidelines.
The OL looks like a strength, and if Jurk comes as advertised, he and Bailey should keep the chains moving.
I have little faith in DL and secondary, but this is where our new coach could make a difference, but I'm not sure he has the right personnel yet.
I'll waffle, and say they win 5 games: Texas St., Syracuse, NC St., GT and another squeaker somewhere else.

9/19 at Duke L
9/26 vs Texas State W
10/3 vs North Carolina L
10/10 vs Pittsburgh W
10/17 at Virginia Tech W
10/24 vs Georgia Tech W
10/31 at Clemson L
11/7 at Syracuse W
11/14 vs Notre Dame L
11/27 vs Louisville L
12/5 at Virginia W

I still don't think the season will run to conclusion. But if it does, they'll be better than the "experts" think. Home/away won't matter much with limited fan attendance.

Really interesting about the O-Line position switches. I agree with the thought it's related to changes in the offensive scheme, and leveraging O-Linemen accordingly.

I think they'll drop the Duke game b/c it's the opener. The L's against ND & Louisville are based on their perceived strength now. If Jurkovec is really good enough to fuel a high-scoring offense such that we mask our defensive issues, BC could get to 8 or 9 wins.

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Here is what I have seen with my own eyes with respect to Jurk. His throwing motion is a bit jerky, but he has a cannon. I watched him throw a 40 yard cross field laser—left his hand six feet off the ground and hit the receiver in the chest on the opposite side of the field—while getting smashed in the sternum. He also runs better than any QB we have had—and I include Troy Murphy in that assessment. Even in garbage time behind walk-on OLs he ripped off some very nice runs at ND when everyone knew it was a run. He will gash people behind this line. And lest anyone forget, he was also an All State basketball player. We have not seen this kind of athleticism.

As for the fact that Rees and Kelly didn’t like him, who fucking cares. Brian Kelly has ruined every QB he has had except Tommy Rees (who was basically Grosel in terms of his arm and athletic ability) and Book, who has a pea shooter arm (I love Book’s attitude and the way he makes plays with his legs, but he has a below average arm). After that there is wreckage of numerous 4 and 5 star recruits destroyed by Brian Kelly—Dayne Crist and Gunner Kiel, who were destroyed before they even got a start, Everett Golson who had a fantastic freshman year when Kelly had to downsize and simplify his idiotic playbook, but who was destroyed during his second year as a starter when he was alleged to have grasped Kelly’s concepts. Ditto DeShon Kizer in almost the exact same fashion. Ditto Brandon Wimbush and ditto Malik Zaire, who actually beat a pretty damn good LSU team with Leonard Fournette in the last start of his first year and who was abandoned and discarded three games into his next year. At a certain point, all of these kids could not have been at fault and you have to look at the purple faced asshole coaching them.

I’d also note that Chip Long loved Jurk and the two reasons Kelly fired him was because (a) Long wanted Jurk to replace Book because it gave the offense the ability to stretch the field and (b) he thought they could run the ball more because Jurk was more durable and just as effective running RPOs as Book. This offended Kelly’s delicate sensibilities and most ND insiders think Rees was selected as the new OC because he would not call into question the intelligence and efficacy of Kelly’s offensive philosophy.

FWIW Chip Long's at Tennessee now as an (off-field) offensive quality control analyst.

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