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BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby xu9697 on Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:10 pm

Allow this thread to die if needed.

Figured the QB situation gets debated on so many topics...and with it being the most important position on the field, maybe it needed it's own topic.

I don't find in either performance or recruiting list that Grosel or Valecce are the answer. We are waiting on AB and what he does and I know transfers are being debated.

What's the "verdict" so far on Sam Johnson being someone that can compete next year? Seems like he had a good offer list, nice size, 3 star recruit, etc. Would a good OC/QB coach be able to get him rolling for 2020? I see little mention of him in the future, so is he forgotten candidate or does he just not move the meter too much for those that have seen him warming up (which can tell a little but not a lot) and/or those in the know about how he looks or how he is mixing in @ BC?
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby Tom Dooder on Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:54 pm

Grosel shouldn't even be in consideration. He should transfer to a D3 school.

Johnson apparently isn't close to being ready.

Transfer QB should come in and Valecce/Johnson compete to backup. TB13 likely transfers but is the backup plan otherwise. Most likely he has met with Hafley and knows where he stands.


This is also going to be a great test for Hafley and the to-be-announced OC: Can they get anyone good in the transfer market for the most important position on the team?
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby ricosuave on Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:56 pm

xu9697 wrote:What's the "verdict" so far on Sam Johnson being someone that can compete next year? Seems like he had a good offer list, nice size, 3 star recruit, etc. Would a good OC/QB coach be able to get him rolling for 2020? I see little mention of him in the future, so is he forgotten candidate or does he just not move the meter too much for those that have seen him warming up (which can tell a little but not a lot) and/or those in the know about how he looks or how he is mixing in @ BC?

The only person I've seen comment on this is A.J. Black, who said he has looked extremely raw. That's kind of what I thought of his h.s. film originally as well. Probably a high-upside guy but sounds like he's a project.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby MF73-Eleazar on Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:57 pm

Was told that he was a good recruit coming out of HS. Good program, decent level, etc.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby BC923 on Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:02 pm

Johnson looks like he’s got a strong arm and some athleticism for his size. Basically what most good but not elite QBs are in high school. Plenty to work with for a good coach, but I’d much rather get someone more ready to go because Hafley’s tenure will have much more to do with the QBs he recruits and you want to show them a good offense as soon as possible.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby Corporal Funishment on Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:10 pm

I'm seeing a lot of denial about why Grosel might have been ahead of the other guys on the depth chart
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby MilitantEagle on Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:14 pm

Corporal Funishment wrote:I'm seeing a lot of denial about why Grosel might have been ahead of the other guys on the depth chart


We really didn't lose much when AB went down. Last night was a shitshow and Grosel is about 9th on the list for reasons why we got blown out. He's not Burrow, but give the kid a break.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby hansen on Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:32 pm

Tom Dooder wrote:Grosel shouldn't even be in consideration. He should transfer to a D3 school.


He should switch to WR... he seems athletic enough to get some run there as a 4th WR on the field. Reportedly might play baseball for BC so he must have good hands.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby claver2010 on Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:52 pm

MilitantEagle wrote:We really didn't lose much when AB went down.


this is not accurate

speaking of accuracy, only 25% of the games where grosel got majority of snaps did he complete 50% of his throws

anthony completed at least 50% of his throws every game this year

nice story and seems like a good kid, but shouldn't be starter at a p5 school
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby MilitantEagle on Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:01 pm

claver2010 wrote:
MilitantEagle wrote:We really didn't lose much when AB went down.


this is not accurate

speaking of accuracy, only 25% of the games where grosel got majority of snaps did he complete 50% of his throws

anthony completed at least 50% of his throws every game this year

nice story and seems like a good kid, but shouldn't be starter at a p5 school


At this point, neither should AB.

Also, Brown had the three worst teams during his portion of the schedule (Richmond, Kansas and Rutgers). Grosel had to come in relief against Louisville, Clemson on the road, face a much more talented FSU team, and then play a bowl game with a shell of a coaching staff with the star offensive player sitting out.

Again, he's not great, but neither is AB. And I used to be a big AB supporter.

EDIT - Grosel also had to play @ND
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby twballgame9 on Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:19 pm

Grosel was ahead of the other guys on the depth chart because an idiot made the depth chart and because it didnt matter which inaccurate QB was handing off 60 times a game. Why play a freshman with talent that's not ready?

Johnson was very raw and inaccurate at the spring game. Valecce was better than Perry and Grosel. AB, who was not great, was far better than any of them.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby twballgame9 on Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:45 pm

And no, grosel should not play WR. He was a good athlete for a QB, the same way that JD Martinez is a good OF for a DH.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby innocentbystander on Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:03 pm

It was mentioned elsewhere but it is worth repeating on this thread, Kitna has de-committed. So much for that.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:03 am

Phil Jurkovec has entered the transfer portal and from what I have seen on the Notre Dame boards, the fans are livid and it is another indictment against Kelly as a coach of QBs. Big kid, fast and with a good arm (albeit a hinky 3/4 throwing motion). Is getting his degree from ND at the end of this spring, but has three years of eligibility left (got his ND degree in 3 years and was RS for one year). Broke all of Dan Marino’s PA QB records and accomplished the unheard of feat of leading his public school to the 6A state title beating Pittsburg Central Catholic and St Joe’s Prep in the tournament. He was also an All State basketball player.

From what I am hearing from ND folks, Kelly prefers system QBs to run his idiotic and complex scheme and that Jurkovec was never given any opportunity to compete with Book, despite being faster and having a much better arm because he was more apt to freelance. Was really only allowed to play in garbage time and was only allowed to throw the ball a couple of times—but in limited action threw a few impressive long throws.

Kid is apparently a devout Catholic and, based on getting his degree in 3 years at ND, can handle an academic load. Might be worth making a call. Even in the limited time I saw him play, he is far superior to AB and the various and sundry Ivy League and D3 talents we currently have on our roster.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:23 am

hansen wrote:
Tom Dooder wrote:Grosel shouldn't even be in consideration. He should transfer to a D3 school.


He should switch to WR... he seems athletic enough to get some run there as a 4th WR on the field. Reportedly might play baseball for BC so he must have good hands.


Grosel playing WR is my personal nightmare. See Bordner, Josh
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:01 am

Grosel should be a backup QB at BC. End of story. Not a WR or any other position.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby BC923 on Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:07 am

Dick Rosenthal wrote:Phil Jurkovec has entered the transfer portal and from what I have seen on the Notre Dame boards, the fans are livid and it is another indictment against Kelly as a coach of QBs. Big kid, fast and with a good arm (albeit a hinky 3/4 throwing motion). Is getting his degree from ND at the end of this spring, but has three years of eligibility left (got his ND degree in 3 years and was RS for one year). Broke all of Dan Marino’s PA QB records and accomplished the unheard of feat of leading his public school to the 6A state title beating Pittsburg Central Catholic and St Joe’s Prep in the tournament. He was also an All State basketball player.

From what I am hearing from ND folks, Kelly prefers system QBs to run his idiotic and complex scheme and that Jurkovec was never given any opportunity to compete with Book, despite being faster and having a much better arm because he was more apt to freelance. Was really only allowed to play in garbage time and was only allowed to throw the ball a couple of times—but in limited action threw a few impressive long throws.

Kid is apparently a devout Catholic and, based on getting his degree in 3 years at ND, can handle an academic load. Might be worth making a call. Even in the limited time I saw him play, he is far superior to AB and the various and sundry Ivy League and D3 talents we currently have on our roster.

It’s a no brainer to call him, and hopefully you can make the sale based on what you said there. I’m sure there will be competition, but it would really change the trajectory of the first few years.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby eagle33 on Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:36 am

i want whoever hafley and cignetti think gives us our best chance to win. if it's ab or a portal guy, put on a full court press to get him. jc can help with the full court press part.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby HJS on Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:07 pm

Dick Rosenthal wrote:Is getting his degree from ND at the end of this spring, but has three years of eligibility left (got his ND degree in 3 years and was RS for one year).

Is this true? He played in 2 games in 2018 (wound up as his redshirt year) and a handful of games in 2019. So, he would have to somehow be graduating in 2 years. Otherwise, he will need a waiver (ala Fields).
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby BC923 on Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:13 pm

HJS wrote:
Dick Rosenthal wrote:Is getting his degree from ND at the end of this spring, but has three years of eligibility left (got his ND degree in 3 years and was RS for one year).

Is this true? He played in 2 games in 2018 (wound up as his redshirt year) and a handful of games in 2019. So, he would have to somehow be graduating in 2 years. Otherwise, he will need a waiver (ala Fields).

We have a lot of lawyers here, should be easy. Maybe he’s had an onset of crippling fear of seeing a student videographer killed in a windstorm. Plenty of cases of to be made
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby flyingelvii on Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:56 pm

HJS wrote:
Dick Rosenthal wrote:Is getting his degree from ND at the end of this spring, but has three years of eligibility left (got his ND degree in 3 years and was RS for one year).

Is this true? He played in 2 games in 2018 (wound up as his redshirt year) and a handful of games in 2019. So, he would have to somehow be graduating in 2 years. Otherwise, he will need a waiver (ala Fields).

If he enrolled early and then loaded up in the summer, it's possible.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby hansen on Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:59 pm

4 writers on 247 are predicting Jurkovec to BC.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby 31southst on Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:05 pm

hansen wrote:4 writers on 247 are predicting Jurkovec to BC.

He’s visiting - they have an article up.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby hansen on Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:16 pm

31southst wrote:
hansen wrote:4 writers on 247 are predicting Jurkovec to BC.

He’s visiting - they have an article up.


[Former four-star Notre Dame quarterback Phil Jurkovec could find a new home quickly.

A few days after entering the NCAA transfer portal, sources said the one-time Gibsonia (Pa.) Pine-Richland standout began a weekend visit to Boston College, which is allowed given a provision in NCAA recruiting rules that allows an on-campus visit since the school begins classes Monday, even though it is an NCAA dead period.

Jurkovec would be a huge pickup for new Boston College coach Jeff Hafley after Eagles quarterback Anthony Brown entered into the portal a few weeks ago.


When signing with Notre Dame out of high school, the 6-foot-5, 215-pound Jurkovec was the No. 4 dual threat quarterback and No. 83 prospect in the industry-generated 247Sports Composite class of 2018 rankings.

Jurkovec was also a prolific player at the western Pennsylvania school. He threw for 8,202 yards and 71 touchdown passes in his career. He completed 68.4 percent of his throws and also rushed for 2,942 yards.


However, getting on the field at Notre Dame was difficult.

Jurkovec saw spot duty as a freshman. He played in two games and attempted two passes (both were incomplete). He also ran twice for nine yards.


As a sophomore, Jurkovec played in six games. He completed 12 of 15 for 222 yards and two touchdowns. He ran 22 times for 130 yards.

Notre Dame coach Chip Kelly addressed Jurkovec’s development during the season as even Ian Book excelled as Notre Dame's starter.

"I think that Phil has gotten better and will continue to get better, and he's challenging Ian every single day, even if you guys don't see it,” Kelly said in October. “Just because he's ‘No. 2’ doesn't mean he's not challenging Ian and making him better every day in practice.


“We think that he is better as a football player and a quarterback than when camp started. We just hope that continues to move in the right direction and we're pretty confident that it will. He hasn't played a lot of real football. It's been a lot of practice football. It's an incredible game, right? You practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, and then you play only 12 games.

“He's practiced a lot and hasn't played a lot in college. So, he's really missing that college (experience), which is faster, and so, that's really all he's missing right now. In practice he looks pretty good, but it's getting to that point where he actually plays in some of the games and making those quick decisions, changing protections, making some quick decisions. Those are the things that he's going to have to continue to work on.”

Jurkovec can use his first season as a red-shirt, so if he is able to secure a waiver from the NCAA to play in the 2020 season, he would have three years of eligibility remaining.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:29 pm

31southst wrote:
hansen wrote:4 writers on 247 are predicting Jurkovec to BC.

He’s visiting - they have an article up.


Turn on his HUDL from his senior year. Holy hell he is talented
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby Oliver Closeoff on Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:43 pm

Grosel should gain 20 lbs and move to fullback. Fullback is like the island of misfit toys. You usually have LBers that are too slow, DE and TE that are too small and QBs who want to get on the field anyway they can.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby twballgame9 on Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:44 pm

Shit if he were to sign here, it would take Hafley 2 weeks to get one more quality QB than Catsup recruited in 7 years.
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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby Tom Dooder on Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:51 pm

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Re: BC QB situation 2020 (and beyond)

Postby eepstein0 on Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:18 pm

Oliver Closeoff wrote:Grosel should gain 20 lbs and move to fullback. Fullback is like the island of misfit toys. You usually have LBers that are too slow, DE and TE that are too small and QBs who want to get on the field anyway they can.


If we could have an offense without a FB it would be great
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Postby twballgame9 on Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:21 pm

Isn't Grosel a PWO? He should get a degree.
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