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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby eagle33 on Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:56 pm

Thursday afternoon, the Big Ten confirmed reports that it will be going with a conference-only football schedule for the 2020 season. All other fall sports are impacted in the same way.

In television appearances following the announcement, the B1G’s commissioner didn’t put a positive spin on football’s immediate future.

“One thing we have to realize is that this is not a fait accompli that we’re going to have sports in the fall,” Kevin Warren flatly stated. “We may not have sports in the fall, we may not have a college football season in the Big Ten. …

“We made a vow early on that, first and foremost, we would put the health, the safety and the wellness of our student-athletes at the center of all of our decisions.

Gene Smith was equally pessimistic.

“I can’t reiterate enough the fact that we might not play,” the Ohio State athletic director said in discussing football in 2020. “We just might not, and I think people need to understand that.”

It’s expected that other Power Five conferences will follow the lead of the Big Ten. In the coming days, both the ACC and Pac-12 will most likely announce a conference-only football schedule. The lone exception will be the ACC including Notre Dame, which already has six games against the conference on its 2020 slate, in any revamped schedule.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/09/big-ten-commish-ohio-state-ad-pessimistic-for-college-football-season/
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby eepstein0 on Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:25 pm

Corporal Funishment wrote:The only way the season was ever going to happen was if people could come to peace with the fact that players will get the virus.

That has not happened, so no season.


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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby vegasEagle on Thu Jul 09, 2020 8:52 pm

Dick Rosenthal wrote:There is zero chance, given what Duke basketball has become, that Duke won’t join the Baby Rapists. My guess is that men’s football and basketball will cleave off from the NCAA entirely at a P5 level. The rest of sports will still be housed in the NCAA and greatly scaled back—with Title 9 no longer a factor with football and men’s basketball (the employee model takes it off the table), women’s sports are going away except to the extent necessary to maintain scholarship parity with the few men’s sports that are self funding (which is largely regional depending on the sport (BC/BU, Big Ten, UND, Denver, ASU, some Ivies for hockey; SEC, the old “Six PAC”, some ACC and a few rando southern baseball schools; Cuse, Hopkins, ND, a few ACC, a few Big 10, a few MAAC/CAA programs for lacrosse), a few Big 10, Big 12, Cornell and some rando small Pennsylvania and Ohio schools for wrestling).


In this new system would Maine reemerge as the dominantbaseball power in the northeast?
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:38 pm

I don’t think Northeastern schools break even ever with baseball. I am told the SEC, old Six Pac (Arizona, ASU, USC, UCLA, Cal and Stanford), a few rando Cali and Southern Schools (Long Beach, Fullerton, Fresno St, Tampa, USF) and some ACC schools (FSU, UNC, UVA, Louisville, ND) and some Big 10 schools (Michigan and tOSU) break even.

In hockey, you have BC, BU, Cornell, Northeastern, Providence, Harvard, Princeton (because the entire program has been endowed since the 40s), RPI, Maine and UNH break even or make some money. UVM used to be a money maker, but has fallen on hard times. Clarkson and St Lawrence have endowment money set aside for the programs, but do not turn a profit. Penn State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Notre Dame and Minnesota are money makers—tOSU sometimes breaks even, but not always. North Dakota, Denver, UMD, St. Cloud, ASU, Northern Michigan, Miami (OH) and Lake Superior generally make money or break even. Michigan Tech used to make money, but does not anymore. Colorado College and the Alaska schools do well at the gate, but in CC’s case the rink isn’t big enough to turn a profit big enough to cover all costs and the Alaska teams get killed on travel despite having good gates. Air Force and Army do not make money, but would survive in a profit-driven environment because of the academies developmental missions.

The lacrosse model is interesting—Cuse, Hopkins, MD, Loyola, ND, Duke, UVA and a few others can make money off the gate and concessions, parking and merchandise. However, some of the smaller schools in the MAAC and CAA also make money, but in those instances it is accomplished by drawing players to attend the school. The average D1 lacrosse roster apparently has 48 players, but can only give out 12.6 scholarships per year. The result being that you end up drawing in a lot of kids who would not otherwise have attended you school but are now there and either paying full freight or as half or more of the schollies are diced up among multiple players, paying 70 or 80% of tuition. Three ADs in the MAAC have told me they started lacrosse as a varsity sport for this reason.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:50 pm

Dick Rosenthal wrote:I don’t think Northeastern schools break even ever with baseball. I am told the SEC, old Six Pac (Arizona, ASU, USC, UCLA, Cal and Stanford), a few rando Cali and Southern Schools (Long Beach, Fullerton, Fresno St, Tampa, USF) and some ACC schools (FSU, UNC, UVA, Louisville, ND) and some Big 10 schools (Michigan and tOSU) break even.

In hockey, you have BC, BU, Cornell, Northeastern, Providence, Harvard, Princeton (because the entire program has been endowed since the 40s), RPI, Maine and UNH break even or make some money. UVM used to be a money maker, but has fallen on hard times. Clarkson and St Lawrence have endowment money set aside for the programs, but do not turn a profit. Penn State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Notre Dame and Minnesota are money makers—tOSU sometimes breaks even, but not always. North Dakota, Denver, UMD, St. Cloud, ASU, Northern Michigan, Miami (OH) and Lake Superior generally make money or break even. Michigan Tech used to make money, but does not anymore. Colorado College and the Alaska schools do well at the gate, but in CC’s case the rink isn’t big enough to turn a profit big enough to cover all costs and the Alaska teams get killed on travel despite having good gates. Air Force and Army do not make money, but would survive in a profit-driven environment because of the academies developmental missions.

The lacrosse model is interesting—Cuse, Hopkins, MD, Loyola, ND, Duke, UVA and a few others can make money off the gate and concessions, parking and merchandise. However, some of the smaller schools in the MAAC and CAA also make money, but in those instances it is accomplished by drawing players to attend the school. The average D1 lacrosse roster apparently has 48 players, but can only give out 12.6 scholarships per year. The result being that you end up drawing in a lot of kids who would not otherwise have attended you school but are now there and either paying full freight or as half or more of the schollies are diced up among multiple players, paying 70 or 80% of tuition. Three ADs in the MAAC have told me they started lacrosse as a varsity sport for this reason.


Albany actually draws 3-4K for lax and the scholarships cost far less. They get guys that need schollies for Cuse but can pay the 8K for state school. Perfect formula, save the schollies for the Native American superstars and get the Long Island and Cuse area guys that can't get into the ACC schools. Think Hofstra, but good.

See TRE for details on why the accounting there is dumb.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby ATLeagle on Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:01 pm

Dick Rosenthal wrote:There is zero chance, given what Duke basketball has become, that Duke won’t join the Baby Rapists. My guess is that men’s football and basketball will cleave off from the NCAA entirely at a P5 level. The rest of sports will still be housed in the NCAA and greatly scaled back—with Title 9 no longer a factor with football and men’s basketball (the employee model takes it off the table), women’s sports are going away except to the extent necessary to maintain scholarship parity with the few men’s sports that are self funding (which is largely regional depending on the sport (BC/BU, Big Ten, UND, Denver, ASU, some Ivies for hockey; SEC, the old “Six PAC”, some ACC and a few rando southern baseball schools; Cuse, Hopkins, ND, a few ACC, a few Big 10, a few MAAC/CAA programs for lacrosse), a few Big 10, Big 12, Cornell and some rando small Pennsylvania and Ohio schools for wrestling).



It will be a D3 model where kids pay to play in college. The pay to play model already exists in all sports but football. Your best soccer, hockey, lax, baseball, softball, golf, tennis, swimming and basketball players are usually year round with club teams by high school. Hell in soccer if you are on a USA Soccer DA team they won't even let you play for your high school team because they know playing against shitty players and getting coached by the bio teacher is a waste of time.

But the rich are playing football less and less and academics despise it. If the NFL doesn't step up and start a better pipelines the sport is done in 20 years.

Sports is the least of these colleges problems. They have a demographic crunch coming and their model is being questioned daily. Of the private schools in the ACC, I would say Duke and Notre Dame are the only that would survive a switch to digital learning. There is no BC, Cuse, Wake, Miami etc without on campus learning. The state schools are a different model. They have operational overhead too but a lot of that can be repurposed for state use.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:06 pm

Eh, like everything in the United States, schools will adapt. Assuming status quo in a projection is stupid.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:34 am

I do think there is a college education bubble that is in the process of bursting—it was coming anyway, but t DXC he Wuhan Virus has sped the process up considerably. A lot of small liberal arts colleges are going away. Non-flagship state schools are going to largely go away. Private universities are going to have to get less expensive with some exceptions. And everyone is going to have to offer cheaper on-line options—even places like Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Stanford are going to have to offer at least some graduate degrees in a cheaper on-line model, especially in the humanities because the value proposition can’t justify the current cost model.

The good news is that if you loaded up money in your kids 529 and they are still ten years from college, you will likely have cash left over after you pay for undergrad and grad degrees for your kids, the bad news is that the economy your kids will be entering after school will be in the midst of the most radical disruption in history.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby HJS on Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:18 pm

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claver2010 wrote:mcmurphy says unsurprisingly acc will be doing the same (will facilitate ND into schedule, maybe the revenge of jurk?)

doesn't look good for college football this fall


Auerbach and Feldman saying ACC decision has not yet been made and talks of it being done are premature.

Swoffy said schedules for Fall sports will decided in late July.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby eagle33 on Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:33 pm

Statement from ACC Commissioner John Swofford:
“The health and safety of our student-athletes, coaches and administrators remains the ACC’s top priority. As we continue to work on the best possible path forward for the return of competition, we will do so in a way that appropriately coincides with our universities’ academic missions. Over the last few months, our conference has prepared numerous scenarios related to the fall athletics season. The league membership and our medical advisory group will make every effort to be as prepared as possible during these unprecedented times, and we anticipate a decision by our Board of Directors in late July.”

https://theacc.com/news/2020/7/10/general-statement-from-acc-commissioner-john-swofford.aspx
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby hansen on Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:20 pm

Rumors on Twitter that ACC will go with a 10 game “regional” conference schedule split equally between home and away games.
BC will reportedly add ND at home and replace FSU on the road with UVA.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby claver2010 on Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:57 am

they're going to try to move football to the spring aren't they
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby BC923 on Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:17 am

Patriot league postponed to spring, so no HC but that was to be expected.

ACC virtual media day postponed indefinitely from next week.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby innocentbystander on Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:19 pm



We have been averaging 50,000+ new positive tests every day in this country. The infection rate is increasing, not decreasing. Without a vaccine immediately, this spells DOOM for the upcoming college football season.

I don't see how it is possible to get this season in unless they do something drastic the way NASCAR is doing it, NO FANS IN THE STANDS. Anyone who has watched even one NASCAR event on television this season, its very depressing. But that is about the only way I can see a 2020 college football season materialize. You have the NCAA test all the players 3 days before every game, they all go into quarantine on Wednesday, and only the ones who are negative on Friday night are allowed on the field Saturday morning. And there will be no one cheering, no one allowed to enter the stadium to watch. It will cost the universities a butt load of money but it might cost them a whole lot LESS than having no season at all.

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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby Eaglekeeper on Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:49 pm

Playing the season without fans should be a huge boost for the ACCN.

No reason not to play the games. The players fly charter, hotels are empty and at home they can have player only dorms. It’s safer than how MLB will be running their season.

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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby BC923 on Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:34 am

Per twitter, Jaelen Gill has been granted immediate eligibility should we play this year. Can’t imagine what the hang up with Jurk is
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby NJM89 on Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:04 am

2020 roster is up. A lot of freshman walk ons with one being Robert Kraft’s grandson.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:18 am

NJM89 wrote:2020 roster is up. A lot of freshman walk ons with one being Robert Kraft’s grandson.


The Dazzler really liked short LBs.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby StratEagle on Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:30 pm

BC923 wrote:Per twitter, Jaelen Gill has been granted immediate eligibility should we play this year. Can’t imagine what the hang up with Jurk is


Rumored that Ryan Day vouched for Gill's case, while Notre Dame did the complete opposite. No idea if true though.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby hansen on Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:10 pm

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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby claver2010 on Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:53 pm

seems like a really good kid that didn't fit day's offense and got stuck behind 5*s everywhere. between him, zay, & kobay we haven't had that level of talent at wr in a long time
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby hansen on Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:57 pm

claver2010 wrote:seems like a really good kid that didn't fit day's offense and got stuck behind 5*s everywhere. between him, zay, & kobay we haven't had that level of talent at wr in a long time


With the exception of QB, the offense is stacked
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:29 pm

Brian Kelly is a Grade A Douchenozzle, is anyone surprised. He's Harbaugh, except a bigger dick and 9 wins instead of 8.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby OCs_Inner_Eagle on Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:44 am

StratEagle wrote:
BC923 wrote:Per twitter, Jaelen Gill has been granted immediate eligibility should we play this year. Can’t imagine what the hang up with Jurk is


Rumored that Ryan Day vouched for Gill's case, while Notre Dame did the complete opposite. No idea if true though.


I believe both happened. With Gill, claver2010 at 7:53PM yesterday points out that Gill didn't fit Ryan Day's offense and was stuck behind extremely talented players anywhere he'd play. If Day threw his full support behind Gill's effort to transfer, citing these factors, I could see the NCAA doing the easy thing and going along with the waiver. Why would Day do this? It indicates that he has the best interest of his players and staff at heart, which helps his recruiting long-term. Look at how classy and secure Day appeared to be with Burrow and Hafley. He also has a soft spot for BC, and knows it's unlikely this will blow up on him personally unless BC somehow meets OSU in the CFP. We hope for a 'ship, but obviously unlikely in the next couple of years.

Phil Jurkovec's in a different situation. At the time of the transfer, it was clear his departure was related to his treatment at ND. It appears Kelly (and Tommy Rees) had elevated what was said to be the less talented QB, rather than focusing the offense on the skills of the more talented one. Something akin to how the Pittsburgh Steelers demonstrated John Bunting's misuse of Willie Parker at UNC.

It's one thing to maintain a scheme to serve multiple 5* players, rather than change for a single 5* player. It's entirely different to maintain an offense to serve a less talented QB, rather than to adjust so that you fit the skills of a more talented QB.

ND was never going to cooperate in Jurkovec's transfer. Doing so undercuts ND's depth at QB. More importantly, Jurkovec's success will redound negatively on Kelly and Rees. That will be moreso the case if Jurkovec plays well THIS season and shows what Kelly (and Rees) could have done with the ND offense--if only they had been willing to change the scheme to suit their personnel.

So ND fights, forcing BC and Jurkovec to decide how far they want to go to secure the transfer. Do they want to air all the dirty laundry, knowing ND will fight all the harder? That kind of conflict intimidates the NCAA, and will lead them to drag this out as they try to decide what to do. Probably the best option for them is to wait and see if CFB gets canceled before they have to decide.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby BCMurt09 on Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:32 am

twballgame9 wrote:Brian Kelly is a Grade A Douchenozzle, is anyone surprised. He's Harbaugh, except a bigger dick and 9 wins instead of 8.


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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby hansen on Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:38 am

BCMurt09 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Brian Kelly is a Grade A Douchenozzle, is anyone surprised. He's Harbaugh, except a bigger dick and 9 wins instead of 8.


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I remember there was a brief time where I was disappointed BC didn't get rid of Spaz and go after Kelly...


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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:01 pm

hansen wrote:
BCMurt09 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Brian Kelly is a Grade A Douchenozzle, is anyone surprised. He's Harbaugh, except a bigger dick and 9 wins instead of 8.


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I remember there was a brief time where I was disappointed BC didn't get rid of Spaz and go after Kelly...


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All of this is true and more. But it isn't just Kelly, the AD Savvy Jack is a first rate scumbag as well. ND was Jurk's dream school and Kelly utterly ruined it for him. There is also some noise from my sources that part of the reason that Chip Long got canned is he wanted to play Jurk and run the ball a lot more--both an anathama to Kelly, who has always preferred weak-armed QBs--like Tommy Rees--shot putting the ball 60 or 70 times. For whatever their other weaknesses, Everett Golson and DeShone Kizer had big arms. Both had good first years when Kelly had to let them use some of their natural abilities and then sucked on ice the minute they knew enough of the playbook that Kelly demanded they play within the system. He ruined them both in their second year.

Ian Book is a tough kid and can run, but his arm is suspect on any throw over 30 yards. He is basically a more athletic version of Tommy Rees, which is apparently Kelly and Rees' ideal quarterback.
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:25 pm

BCMurt09 wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:Brian Kelly is a Grade A Douchenozzle, is anyone surprised. He's Harbaugh, except a bigger dick and 9 wins instead of 8.


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I remember there was a brief time where I was disappointed BC didn't get rid of Spazand go after Kelly...


after the 2010 season, greasy Gene could have replaced :spaz2 with a graduate student HC and I would have been happy

after the 2011 Central Florida game where he threw a punch at Kevin Rogers, Gene would have replaced :spaz with a homeless bum and that would have made me happy
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Re: 2020 BC Football

Postby HJS on Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:57 pm

OCs_Inner_Eagle wrote:Phil Jurkovec's in a different situation. At the time of the transfer, it was clear his departure was related to his treatment at ND. It appears Kelly (and Tommy Rees) had elevated what was said to be the less talented QB, rather than focusing the offense on the skills of the more talented one.

ND was never going to cooperate in Jurkovec's transfer. Doing so undercuts ND's depth at QB. More importantly, Jurkovec's success will redound negatively on Kelly and Rees. That will be moreso the case if Jurkovec plays well THIS season and shows what Kelly (and Rees) could have done with the ND offense--if only they had been willing to change the scheme to suit their personnel.

Probably the best option for them is to wait and see if CFB gets canceled before they have to decide.

This.

That said... I get that we desperately need him this year (thanks to AB's transfer and little depth for when AB would eventually get injured). I get that it is important to have Hafley see some immediate success to help recruiting and spur his tenure. However, as I previously posted, there is a strong argument to made that the best thing for Jurkovec would be to sit out the year. I think this argument grows stronger by the day (especially, from a risk-reward perspective). Anyway you shake it, 2020 will be a forgotten season. We won't be playing for anything. We have an entirely new coaching staff instituting new systems with new players with insufficient ability to practice. Not having a QB just adds another factor as to the impossibility of success in this throwaway year. Give Fordham Prep's Matty Ryan a shot. If we win 4 or 5 games, Hafley can be in the running for coach of the year (all while pointing out that Brian Kelly is a little bitch (and murderer)).

HJS on Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:22 am wrote:This won’t be in fashion as we wonder where on the Shinskie-Towles-Murphy spectrum Jurkovec falls...

High school accolades aside, Jurkovec sounds to me like a mentally broken player. He seemed to have been psychologically dismantled by the ND coaching staff (maybe to preserve Ian Book’s status as unquestioned starter). He has talked about losing a love for the game about how he wasn’t seeing the field about how he has a lot to learn. I understand folks will say that Kelly has a lot of blame here. That maybe true, but we are the ones to deal with the fall out.

For all of AB’s accuracy limitations, he was a very strong leader (smart, confidant and inspiring) whom his teammates loved. Over anything else, I think Jurkovec’s success here will be linked to whether he can step into that role. As the Spring starts, I will be looking for clues to see if the kid has regained his confidence. If he hasn’t, I hope he doesn’t get the waiver and takes the year to find his passion again.
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