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2013CommAve {l Wrote}:Any one have info on JMU's scheme?

Its not Kurt from JMU. It's his brother Frank from Green Bay. BC923 later specified.

I'm guessing Kitna and Kobay got the word over the weekend.

I'd take Schiano and Gleeson over Hafley and Cignetti. There... I said it.

HJS {l Wrote}:I'd take Schiano and Gleeson over Hafley and Cignetti. There... I said it.

What's done is done. Are you "In?" Or are you "Out?"

HJS {l Wrote}:I'd take Schiano and Gleeson over Hafley and Cignetti. There... I said it.

I'm surprised you are not happy with the Cignetti hire since he spent a year at your beloved Rutgers.

Yeah... I’m also done with the manufactured “get in” slogan as well.
Fucking win... that’s a much better slogan.

BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:I'd take Schiano and Gleeson over Hafley and Cignetti. There... I said it.

I'm surprised you are not happy with the Cignetti hire since he spent a year at your beloved Rutgers.

He’s a 54 year old boring OC who has runs a staid system. The RU guys actually like him. They say he’s a good recruiter and excellent with Xs and Os. I just think it’s a very safe, uninspired move.

Cignetti wasn’t his first choice as OC. He’s likely the third choice. Not bad as fall back... but concerning that a newly hired up-and-coming head coach was striking out left and right. With word out there that Hafley is missing out on his first choice DCs (Washington and Campanile)... it’s a troubling trend.

HJS {l Wrote}:

BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:I'd take Schiano and Gleeson over Hafley and Cignetti. There... I said it.

I'm surprised you are not happy with the Cignetti hire since he spent a year at your beloved Rutgers.

He’s a 54 year old boring OC who has runs a staid system. The RU guys actually like him. They say he’s a good recruiter and excellent with Xs and Os. I just think it’s a very safe, uninspired move.

Cignetti wasn’t his first choice as OC. He’s likely the third choice. Not bad as fall back... but concerning that a newly hired up-and-coming head coach was striking out left and right. With word out there that Hafley is missing out on his first choice DCs (Washington and Campanile)... it’s a troubling trend.

Agreed. Any idea who the top choices were for oc?

BrightonEagle {l Wrote}:Agreed. Any idea who the top choices were for oc?

Scott Turner and Kevin O’Connell

HJS {l Wrote}:

BrightonEagle {l Wrote}:Agreed. Any idea who the top choices were for oc?

Scott Turner and Kevin O’Connell

Both of those guys are candidates for an NFL OC position that is still open. Not sure them not deciding to come coach at BC during the interviewing process can really be chalked up as a loss. That seems unreasonable to me.

HJS {l Wrote}:

claver2010 {l Wrote}:trust feldman when it comes to evaluation of coaches. not surprising a veteran with overlap at pitt and i'm sure hafley's mentor wannstedt vouched for him.

making age generalizations here but probably want to go younger, recruiting guru as DC

Oof... Cignetti is not a strong hire as OC. With Scott Turner or Kevin O'Connell, you could bill it as some sort of new generation OC. Cignetti is like hiring Todd Fitch. I wouldn't care as much if it wasn't such a critical position for a new HC who hasn't had any experience on the offensive side of the ball.

Fitch is arguably better. Just got hired as Vanderbilt OC.

Really hope he can get Camp in as DC.

If we miss out on Camp, it will be the fastest the wheels have come off any good will train ever.

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:

BrightonEagle {l Wrote}:Agreed. Any idea who the top choices were for oc?

Scott Turner and Kevin O’Connell

Both of those guys are candidates for an NFL OC position that is still open. Not sure them not deciding to come coach at BC during the interviewing process can really be chalked up as a loss. That seems unreasonable to me.

One of them is likely to get the Redskins job. The other is likely not going to be an NFL OC. So, if either was someone identified during the interview process (and at least one was), why not wait until Rivera makes his decision. Is there some sort of requirement to announce the OC before the National Championship game?

DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:If we miss out on Camp, it will be the fastest the wheels have come off any good will train ever.

Daz's wheels came off before his press conference. But, yes... Hafley's honeymoon of infallibility will be very short-lived.

Cignetti may not light the world on fire, but hasn't one thing we learned the past 10 years is that the HC really dictates the offense approach? If he can recruit, sell kids on the NFL pedigree and think of something other than run, run, jet sweep, punt, he'll be fine.

JesuitIvy {l Wrote}:Cignetti may not light the world on fire, but hasn't one thing we learned the past 10 years is that the HC really dictates the offense approach? If he can recruit, sell kids on the NFL pedigree and think of something other than run, run, jet sweep, punt, he'll be fine.

Unless the rest of the staff is strong, I worry about their ability to get players given cignetti is a bit of a retread and Hafley doesn’t have offensive experience.

JesuitIvy {l Wrote}:Cignetti may not light the world on fire, but hasn't one thing we learned the past 10 years is that the HC really dictates the offense approach? If he can recruit

That is all I care about.

All Osborne and Nebraska did in 1994 and 1995 was run, run, run, and Tom beat 5 different teams ranked in the top 10 in 1995 and pummeled Florida for the national championship. It wasn't the plays. It wasn't the scheme. It was just the Cornhusker players (two of whom were "alleged" rapists, literally) being stronger, faster, and more athletic than everyone else in all of college football (better than everyone else on both sides of the ball.)

Sell. Close. Always be closing.

BrightonEagle {l Wrote}:

JesuitIvy {l Wrote}:Cignetti may not light the world on fire, but hasn't one thing we learned the past 10 years is that the HC really dictates the offense approach? If he can recruit, sell kids on the NFL pedigree and think of something other than run, run, jet sweep, punt, he'll be fine.

Unless the rest of the staff is strong, I worry about their ability to get players given cignetti is a bit of a retread and Hafley doesn’t have offensive experience.

My concern about Cignetti is that he was so poorly thought of that he wasn't employed by anyone at any level last year. I don't know how you go from not getting paid for year to coordinator at a Power 5 school... but, there you have it. I guess Gary Tranquill was the last to pull it off.

Again... I question the rush to hire him unless Hafley exhausted all other bridges (which is troubling).

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

JesuitIvy {l Wrote}:Cignetti may not light the world on fire, but hasn't one thing we learned the past 10 years is that the HC really dictates the offense approach? If he can recruit

That is all I care about.

All Osborne and Nebraska did in 1994 and 1995 was run, run, run, and Tom beat 5 different teams ranked in the top 10 in 1995 and pummeled Florida for the national championship. It wasn't the plays. It wasn't the scheme. It was just the Cornhusker players (two of whom were "alleged" rapists, literally) being stronger, faster, and more athletic than everyone else in all of college football (better than everyone else on both sides of the ball.)

Sell. Close. Always be closing.

This post amuses me. I’m in the car driving so I will let someone critique it.

On the bright side, maybe we are paying him like $200k and will re-deploy the dollars we saved by hiring a coach with no other interest to bring in coaches other schools actually want. If we paid this retread market rate for a Power 5 coordinator, then this reeks of cronyism and paying back friends (instead of trying to win).

HJS {l Wrote}:

BrightonEagle {l Wrote}:

JesuitIvy {l Wrote}:Cignetti may not light the world on fire, but hasn't one thing we learned the past 10 years is that the HC really dictates the offense approach? If he can recruit, sell kids on the NFL pedigree and think of something other than run, run, jet sweep, punt, he'll be fine.

Unless the rest of the staff is strong, I worry about their ability to get players given cignetti is a bit of a retread and Hafley doesn’t have offensive experience.

My concern about Cignetti is that he was so poorly thought of that he wasn't employed by anyone at any level last year. I don't know how you go from not getting paid for year to coordinator at a Power 5 school... but, there you have it. I guess Gary Tranquill was the last to pull it off.

Again... I question the rush to hire him unless Hafley exhausted all other bridges (which is troubling).

You may be right that Hafley is struggling to fill out his open coaching positions. And that would be troubling.

I didn't "get in" when he was hired. So I am not "getting out" either. I am for giving him a chance. We have no idea how good or bad Hafley will be. Everything depends on recruiting. If Hafley does no better than Addazio or in that regard, I will not be "getting in" at anytime. Lets wait and see.

HJS {l Wrote}:On the bright side, maybe we are paying him like $200k and will re-deploy the dollars we saved by hiring a coach with no other interest to bring in coaches other schools actually want. If we paid this retread market rate for a Power 5 coordinator, then this reeks of cronyism and paying back friends (instead of trying to win).

I believe it’s both. But then again that’s what coaching is today.

if this is a bad hire why does feldman think it's a good one? does he hate bc or something?

eagle33 {l Wrote}:if this is a bad hire why does feldman think it's a good one? does he hate bc or something?

If this is such a good hire, why was Cignetti out of work for so long?

HJS {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:

BrightonEagle {l Wrote}:Agreed. Any idea who the top choices were for oc?

Scott Turner and Kevin O’Connell

Both of those guys are candidates for an NFL OC position that is still open. Not sure them not deciding to come coach at BC during the interviewing process can really be chalked up as a loss. That seems unreasonable to me.

One of them is likely to get the Redskins job. The other is likely not going to be an NFL OC. So, if either was someone identified during the interview process (and at least one was), why not wait until Rivera makes his decision. Is there some sort of requirement to announce the OC before the National Championship game?

I have no idea whether the Redskins job is the only job those two would consider better than the BC job and I don't know whether the one who doesn't get it won't get another NFL OC job and I don't know whether a lesser title like NFL QB coach is more or less desirable to the loser of the Redskins coordinator job nevermind whether there are other college programs that would be more likely to get the Redskins job loser (whether or not they currently have a vacancy).

It is one of like three dozen possibilities that Hafley could have waited to hire whichever of Turner/O'Connell Rivera doesn't hire, but didn't want to wait and hired Cignetti instead.

HJS {l Wrote}:

eagle33 {l Wrote}:if this is a bad hire why does feldman think it's a good one? does he hate bc or something?

If this is such a good hire, why was Cignetti out of work for so long?

maybe he was trying to find himself.

Did someone on here tell us a few weeks ago we were getting Cignetti?

eagle33 {l Wrote}:if this is a bad hire why does feldman think it's a good one? does he hate bc or something?

I like Feldman but he seems to think all coaches are great

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:Did someone on here tell us a few weeks ago we were getting Cignetti?

Corners said Cignetti and Washington would be the coordinators.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17564&p=520130&hilit=cignetti#p520130

Absolute buzzkill. If the rumors were true that Hafley made demands of Jarmond, and Jarmond went to the BOT to meet those demands, and then we end up with Cignetti.... who wasn’t even working....that’s a fucking joke.