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BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:I thought Daz might hand the headset back to Reid this week but he won't 1) because he's all about consistency as mentioned before and 2) being "all about consistency" is just another way of saying too stubborn to admit a mistake and make a change.

No DC in the world is saving this defense with no pass rush and this secondary.

disagree

at this point, "saving the defense" has to be defined as to doing whatever necessary to get us 3-4 wins out of the next six. it's gonna be difficult but not impossible ; it's going to take playing the right people in the right positions and a lot of good coaching.

I firmly believe a good DC could accomplish this against a mediocre ACC this year

The absolute worst result here is Daz figuring out a way to win another 3-4 games. I can't sit here and cheer for BC to lose, but the best result for the long-term of the BC football program is 3-9 and firing everyone.

FUCK YOU micropenis

how is winning no more games this year the best result long-term for the program? it will destroy this year's and probably next year's recruiting class, no 4 weeks of practice this year will disadvantage the team and make next year an upward climb, plenty of athletes will transfer out reducing the talent on the team, and lastt but not least probably make us the joke of the ACC again, etc. and for what? another MAC hire? it will set the program back another 5 years. um, no thanks.

I'll let you go to bat advocating for retaining Addazio to win 6 or 7 games every year.

1. Recruiting rankings are stupid, but it's not like either of these classes are program altering
2. All the practice in the world isn't going to cure the stupid scheme or lack of talent on defense nor the Head Coach being unable to manage a game
3. God forbid we lose some players via transfer off of this team
4. This program is already a joke. We won 1 conference game already. There's nowhere to go but up

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BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:I thought Daz might hand the headset back to Reid this week but he won't 1) because he's all about consistency as mentioned before and 2) being "all about consistency" is just another way of saying too stubborn to admit a mistake and make a change.

No DC in the world is saving this defense with no pass rush and this secondary.

disagree

at this point, "saving the defense" has to be defined as to doing whatever necessary to get us 3-4 wins out of the next six. it's gonna be difficult but not impossible ; it's going to take playing the right people in the right positions and a lot of good coaching.

I firmly believe a good DC could accomplish this against a mediocre ACC this year

The absolute worst result here is Daz figuring out a way to win another 3-4 games. I can't sit here and cheer for BC to lose, but the best result for the long-term of the BC football program is 3-9 and firing everyone.

FUCK YOU micropenis

how is winning no more games this year the best result long-term for the program? it will destroy this year's and probably next year's recruiting class, no 4 weeks of practice this year will disadvantage the team and make next year an upward climb, plenty of athletes will transfer out reducing the talent on the team, and lastt but not least probably make us the joke of the ACC again, etc. and for what? another MAC hire? it will set the program back another 5 years. um, no thanks.

I'll let you go to bat advocating for retaining Addazio to win 6 or 7 games every year.

1. Recruiting rankings are stupid, but it's not like either of these classes are program altering
2. All the practice in the world isn't going to cure the stupid scheme or lack of talent on defense nor the Head Coach being unable to manage a game
3. God forbid we lose some players via transfer off of this team
4. This program is already a joke. We won 1 conference game already. There's nowhere to go but up

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BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:I thought Daz might hand the headset back to Reid this week but he won't 1) because he's all about consistency as mentioned before and 2) being "all about consistency" is just another way of saying too stubborn to admit a mistake and make a change.

No DC in the world is saving this defense with no pass rush and this secondary.

disagree

at this point, "saving the defense" has to be defined as to doing whatever necessary to get us 3-4 wins out of the next six. it's gonna be difficult but not impossible ; it's going to take playing the right people in the right positions and a lot of good coaching.

I firmly believe a good DC could accomplish this against a mediocre ACC this year

The absolute worst result here is Daz figuring out a way to win another 3-4 games. I can't sit here and cheer for BC to lose, but the best result for the long-term of the BC football program is 3-9 and firing everyone.

FUCK YOU micropenis

how is winning no more games this year the best result long-term for the program? it will destroy this year's and probably next year's recruiting class, no 4 weeks of practice this year will disadvantage the team and make next year an upward climb, plenty of athletes will transfer out reducing the talent on the team, and lastt but not least probably make us the joke of the ACC again, etc. and for what? another MAC hire? it will set the program back another 5 years. um, no thanks.

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BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:I thought Daz might hand the headset back to Reid this week but he won't 1) because he's all about consistency as mentioned before and 2) being "all about consistency" is just another way of saying too stubborn to admit a mistake and make a change.

No DC in the world is saving this defense with no pass rush and this secondary.

disagree

at this point, "saving the defense" has to be defined as to doing whatever necessary to get us 3-4 wins out of the next six. it's gonna be difficult but not impossible ; it's going to take playing the right people in the right positions and a lot of good coaching.

I firmly believe a good DC could accomplish this against a mediocre ACC this year

The absolute worst result here is Daz figuring out a way to win another 3-4 games. I can't sit here and cheer for BC to lose, but the best result for the long-term of the BC football program is 3-9 and firing everyone.

FUCK YOU micropenis

how is winning no more games this year the best result long-term for the program? it will destroy this year's and probably next year's recruiting class, no 4 weeks of practice this year will disadvantage the team and make next year an upward climb, plenty of athletes will transfer out reducing the talent on the team, and lastt but not least probably make us the joke of the ACC again, etc. and for what? another MAC hire? it will set the program back another 5 years. um, no thanks.

Just want to be sure I understand your position. The proven 7 win ceiling and associated mediocrity is preferable even desirable to change (since change assures, in your opinion, mediocrity or worse)?

mod6A {l Wrote}:i don;t even think it matters if people want to win more games. realistically, can we win any more games? i am not sure we can.

for the record: i like bc football.

hansen {l Wrote}:As long as Leahy is running the show, nothing is going to change regardless of who is the coach.
so what's the point of blowing up the program to get another uninspiring hire?

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hansen {l Wrote}:As long as Leahy is running the show, nothing is going to change regardless of who is the coach.
so what's the point of blowing up the program to get another uninspiring hire?

Whoah! I did not realize that there were people still in the “he just needs more time” camp. In Year 7, Daz’s winning percentage at BC is currently .500. It is a certainty that he will finish his tenure with a losing record. I understand hating Leahy and not thinking him capable of making a good hire. But, the pool of candidates that would be worse shrinks with every subsequent loss.

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hansen {l Wrote}:As long as Leahy is running the show, nothing is going to change regardless of who is the coach.
so what's the point of blowing up the program to get another uninspiring hire?

Whoah! I did not realize that there were people still in the “he just needs more time” camp. In Year 7, Daz’s winning percentage at BC is currently .500. It is a certainty that he will finish his tenure with a losing record. I understand hating Leahy and not thinking him capable of making a good hire. But, the pool of candidates that would be worse shrinks with every subsequent loss.

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hansen {l Wrote}:As long as Leahy is running the show, nothing is going to change regardless of who is the coach.
so what's the point of blowing up the program to get another uninspiring hire?

Whoah! I did not realize that there were people still in the “he just needs more time” camp. In Year 7, Daz’s winning percentage at BC is currently .500. It is a certainty that he will finish his tenure with a losing record. I understand hating Leahy and not thinking him capable of making a good hire. But, the pool of candidates that would be worse shrinks with every subsequent loss.

.500 yes but also 21-40 against p5 teams

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hansen {l Wrote}:As long as Leahy is running the show, nothing is going to change regardless of who is the coach.
so what's the point of blowing up the program to get another uninspiring hire?

Whoah! I did not realize that there were people still in the “he just needs more time” camp. In Year 7, Daz’s winning percentage at BC is currently .500. It is a certainty that he will finish his tenure with a losing record. I understand hating Leahy and not thinking him capable of making a good hire. But, the pool of candidates that would be worse shrinks with every subsequent loss.

.500 yes but also 21-40 against p5 teams

the 21-40 and 19-32 against ACC teams are bad but I wonder

1) how much of that is due to the Spaz dumpster fire? I would be willing to ignore the first 3 seasons but maybe that is too generous.
2) what would comparable coaches in the ACC have for P5 and ACC records? I would be interested to see what Clawson, Doeren, and some of his fellow ACC coaches have for records in these categories? I wouldn't be surprised if most of them have about .500 records here.

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hansen {l Wrote}:As long as Leahy is running the show, nothing is going to change regardless of who is the coach.
so what's the point of blowing up the program to get another uninspiring hire?

Whoah! I did not realize that there were people still in the “he just needs more time” camp. In Year 7, Daz’s winning percentage at BC is currently .500. It is a certainty that he will finish his tenure with a losing record. I understand hating Leahy and not thinking him capable of making a good hire. But, the pool of candidates that would be worse shrinks with every subsequent loss.

Nice try. I never said Daz was anything but a seven win coach on average or that he needs more time. But with Leahy in charge that's about the best we are going to get. By the time you get down to anyone who checks off all the BC boxes, you've got a small, uninspiring pool of potential hires that will produce the same shit results possibly worse. So until Leahy-hoo goes, nothing will change. And thus, I see no reason to make a change (barring a collapse this season)... what's the point of enduring a couple shit seasons of rebuild only to end up back where we started. I'm just being a realist.

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hansen {l Wrote}:As long as Leahy is running the show, nothing is going to change regardless of who is the coach.
so what's the point of blowing up the program to get another uninspiring hire?

Whoah! I did not realize that there were people still in the “he just needs more time” camp. In Year 7, Daz’s winning percentage at BC is currently .500. It is a certainty that he will finish his tenure with a losing record. I understand hating Leahy and not thinking him capable of making a good hire. But, the pool of candidates that would be worse shrinks with every subsequent loss.

Nice try. I never said Daz was anything but a seven win coach on average or that he needs more time. But with Leahy in charge that's about the best we are going to get. By the time you get down to anyone who checks off all the BC boxes, you've got a small, uninspiring pool of potential hires that will produce the same shit results possibly worse. So until Leahy-hoo goes, nothing will change. And thus, I see no reason to make a change (barring a collapse this season)... what's the point of enduring a couple shit seasons of rebuild only to end up back where we started. I'm just being a realist.

hansen {l Wrote}:I see no reason to make a change (barring a collapse this season)... what's the point of enduring a couple shit seasons of rebuild only to end up back where we started. I'm just being a realist.

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hansen {l Wrote}:I see no reason to make a change (barring a collapse this season)... what's the point of enduring a couple shit seasons of rebuild only to end up back where we started. I'm just being a realist.

I removed the "we are what we are" sentiment as others have already challenged. My questions is... what do you consider to be a "collapse" for this season? Do the kids have to revolt? Does there have to be a scandal? Can win/loss record get there alone?

From my vantage point, this was supposed to be a very good year but will instead be 4-win season. BC is in need of a rebuild. The question is... do you feel that the person to lead that build is a 60-year-old entering into his 8th year at the helm. Or, do you think the person to undertake the project is someone who at least has a chance to be in his prime when it starts to take hold?

In my view, we are a 4-win team. We don't have much to risk by making a change. I think your arguments may be applicable if we had 8-wins and folks were disappointed we didn't pop for 10. But, we are the worst team in the Atlantic Division.

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Who is this 4th win coming against?

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eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Who is this 4th win coming against?

We won’t be favored in any game from here on out. However, Cuse and FSU are pretty shitty. BC teams don’t quit. So, knocking off one more win would not be a shock.

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hansen {l Wrote}:I see no reason to make a change (barring a collapse this season)... what's the point of enduring a couple shit seasons of rebuild only to end up back where we started. I'm just being a realist.

I removed the "we are what we are" sentiment as others have already challenged. My questions is... what do you consider to be a "collapse" for this season? Do the kids have to revolt? Does there have to be a scandal? Can win/loss record get there alone?

From my vantage point, this was supposed to be a very good year but will instead be 4-win season. BC is in need of a rebuild. The question is... do you feel that the person to lead that build is a 60-year-old entering into his 8th year at the helm. Or, do you think the person to undertake the project is someone who at least has a chance to be in his prime when it starts to take hold?

In my view, we are a 4-win team. We don't have much to risk by making a change. I think your arguments may be applicable if we had 8-wins and folks were disappointed we didn't pop for 10. But, we are the worst team in the Atlantic Division.

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hansen {l Wrote}:I see no reason to make a change (barring a collapse this season)... what's the point of enduring a couple shit seasons of rebuild only to end up back where we started. I'm just being a realist.

I removed the "we are what we are" sentiment as others have already challenged. My questions is... what do you consider to be a "collapse" for this season? Do the kids have to revolt? Does there have to be a scandal? Can win/loss record get there alone?

From my vantage point, this was supposed to be a very good year but will instead be 4-win season. BC is in need of a rebuild. The question is... do you feel that the person to lead that build is a 60-year-old entering into his 8th year at the helm. Or, do you think the person to undertake the project is someone who at least has a chance to be in his prime when it starts to take hold?

In my view, we are a 4-win team. We don't have much to risk by making a change. I think your arguments may be applicable if we had 8-wins and folks were disappointed we didn't pop for 10. But, we are the worst team in the Atlantic Division.

for me, a collapse is anything less than a bowl game. the team has played comically bad but there is enough talent to win the necessary games to get to a bowl mainly due to the shittiness of 2/3 of the teams we will be playing. this is the main difference between your arguments and mine. I am coming at it from I don't think we are as bad as we've shown and you believe we are a 3 win team. I would be all for a coaching change but I don't count on BC pulling it off whatsoever. instead, I see another MAC hire or retread and 10 more years of going nowhere fast.

of course, if we don't go to a bowl, then you might as well blow the whole thing up as that's the bare minimum in college football these days.

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eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Who is this 4th win coming against?

We won’t be favored in any game from here on out. However, Cuse and FSU are pretty shitty. BC teams don’t quit. So, knocking off one more win would not be a shock.

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eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Who is this 4th win coming against?

We won’t be favored in any game from here on out. However, Cuse and FSU are pretty shitty. BC teams don’t quit. So, knocking off one more win would not be a shock.

i think fsu has shown some improvement since taggart brought leavitt on board and su always seems to give us problems. if ab comes back we might win one of ncst, fsu, or su.

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HJS {l Wrote}:

hansen {l Wrote}:I see no reason to make a change (barring a collapse this season)... what's the point of enduring a couple shit seasons of rebuild only to end up back where we started. I'm just being a realist.

I removed the "we are what we are" sentiment as others have already challenged. My questions is... what do you consider to be a "collapse" for this season? Do the kids have to revolt? Does there have to be a scandal? Can win/loss record get there alone?

From my vantage point, this was supposed to be a very good year but will instead be 4-win season. BC is in need of a rebuild. The question is... do you feel that the person to lead that build is a 60-year-old entering into his 8th year at the helm. Or, do you think the person to undertake the project is someone who at least has a chance to be in his prime when it starts to take hold?

In my view, we are a 4-win team. We don't have much to risk by making a change. I think your arguments may be applicable if we had 8-wins and folks were disappointed we didn't pop for 10. But, we are the worst team in the Atlantic Division.

for me, a collapse is anything less than a bowl game. the team has played comically bad but there is enough talent to win the necessary games to get to a bowl mainly due to the shittiness of 2/3 of the teams we will be playing. this is the main difference between your arguments and mine. I am coming at it from I don't think we are as bad as we've shown and you believe we are a 3 win team. I would be all for a coaching change but I don't count on BC pulling it off whatsoever. instead, I see another MAC hire or retread and 10 more years of going nowhere fast.

of course, if we don't go to a bowl, then you might as well blow the whole thing up as that's the bare minimum in college football these days.

There's enough talent on this team to get to a bowl WITH GOOD COACHING! We don't have good coaching, which is why we won't get to a bowl game, and why this idiot needs to be fired the day after the season ends.

blueline {l Wrote}:Good Luck with that

Leahy will never allow him to be fired

That's why Jarman is powerless

blueline {l Wrote}:Good Luck with that

Leahy will never allow him to be fired

That's why Jarman is powerless

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eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Who is this 4th win coming against?

We won’t be favored in any game from here on out. However, Cuse and FSU are pretty shitty. BC teams don’t quit. So, knocking off one more win would not be a shock.

i think fsu has shown some improvement since taggart brought leavitt on board and su always seems to give us problems. if ab comes back we might win one of ncst, fsu, or su.