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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby hansen on Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:14 pm

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hansen wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
HJS wrote:I know they’ve talked about a hockey-only facility on Brighton. But, I kinda agree with Corners that it makes more sense (from a fiscal and practical sense) to build a BB only arena.


Need to do a major renovation of Conte either way


What’s wrong with it?


It's terrible. Build a hockey arena and retrofit Conte as an actual basketball arena works too, but they need to be in separate arena. Conte is okay for hockey, awful for basketball, has terrible amenities. Its also old as shit.


Structurally, is that possible?
Building a basketball arena seems more plausible. Then, widen the upper deck benches of conte and reduce some of the seats.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby MF73-Eleazar on Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:27 pm

Make Conte all-seater for hockey. Benches have been lame for yrs.

Build a BB arena. No idea what would be the ideal capacity for it.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby eepstein0 on Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:11 pm

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HJS wrote:I know they’ve talked about a hockey-only facility on Brighton. But, I kinda agree with Corners that it makes more sense (from a fiscal and practical sense) to build a BB only arena.


Need to do a major renovation of Conte either way


What’s wrong with it?


The upper benches are uncomfortable.

You’re really far from the court when configured for basketball.

The club area/boxes are in an awful location.

The lighting is also extremely odd.

The amenities are a joke for the year 2020.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby Eaglekeeper on Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:23 pm

Eepstein hit the nail on the head, most of the upper deck seats in Conte are a long way from the court. For an 8,606 seat arena the sideline seats are way to high and far back from the court. No renovation can solve this problem. For 25 million we have a great hockey rink, 4,500 chair back seats, awesome video replay boards and new locker rooms. We are under no time constraint to spend any money on the upper deck seats. The concourse areas can be renovated as part of the Alumni Stadium renovation, whenever that happens. Volleyball will still call Power Gym home along with a bunch of other non-revenue sports that use Conte for locker room and office space.

BC needs to make a statement in basketball and building a new, first class arena with all of the bells and whistles will generate the most revenue and fan/student interest in the program. Move the BCAA into the new building as well to free up space in Conte for the renovation of Alumni Stadium. There is nothing like building new, no renovation can compare.

The best investment for that 150 million is a new basketball arena.

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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby eepstein0 on Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:53 pm

Eaglekeeper wrote:Eepstein hit the nail on the head, most of the upper deck seats in Conte are a long way from the court. For an 8,606 seat arena the sideline seats are way to high and far back from the court. No renovation can solve this problem. For 25 million we have a great hockey rink, 4,500 chair back seats, awesome video replay boards and new locker rooms. We are under no time constraint to spend any money on the upper deck seats. The concourse areas can be renovated as part of the Alumni Stadium renovation, whenever that happens. Volleyball will still call Power Gym home along with a bunch of other non-revenue sports that use Conte for locker room and office space.

BC needs to make a statement in basketball and building a new, first class arena with all of the bells and whistles will generate the most revenue and fan/student interest in the program. Move the BCAA into the new building as well to free up space in Conte for the renovation of Alumni Stadium. There is nothing like building new, no renovation can compare.

The best investment for that 150 million is a new basketball arena.

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Alumni doesn’t need a renovation. I’d love wider concourses and bathrooms in the upper deck but it’s not critical
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby claver2010 on Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:56 pm

aluminumni can be great when it's full, the best renovation at that place was when they fired daz and hired hafley

conte is much more pressing
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby Eaglekeeper on Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:10 pm

Alumni needs renovations to raise more revenue. There is only so much you can charge for a bench seat. Renovations are all about raising more revenue, thus you will see club seats and hospitality rooms added to Alumni Stadium. The need to raise revenue will be key to keep Hafley. If he turns out to be an all star coach he will command 8 million per year to keep him. We need all the revenue we can get.

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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby twballgame9 on Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:32 pm

Eaglekeeper wrote:Alumni needs renovations to raise more revenue. There is only so much you can charge for a bench seat. Renovations are all about raising more revenue, thus you will see club seats and hospitality rooms added to Alumni Stadium. The need to raise revenue will be key to keep Hafley. If he turns out to be an all star coach he will command 8 million per year to keep him. We need all the revenue we can get.

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If he becomes an all star coach you can't pay him enough to keep him. You have to have fans first before you can add things you expect fans to use.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby hansen on Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:05 pm

twballgame9 wrote:
Eaglekeeper wrote:Alumni needs renovations to raise more revenue. There is only so much you can charge for a bench seat. Renovations are all about raising more revenue, thus you will see club seats and hospitality rooms added to Alumni Stadium. The need to raise revenue will be key to keep Hafley. If he turns out to be an all star coach he will command 8 million per year to keep him. We need all the revenue we can get.

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If he becomes an all star coach you can't pay him enough to keep him. You have to have fans first before you can add things you expect fans to use.


Boston* fans (like most fans) are front runners. Put out a winning team and you’ll be shocked how quickly BC fans emerge out of the woodwork.

See mid 90s Red Sox fans, late 80s patriots fans as examples of what happens when you don’t win.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby HJS on Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:10 pm

twballgame9 wrote:
Eaglekeeper wrote:Alumni needs renovations to raise more revenue. There is only so much you can charge for a bench seat. Renovations are all about raising more revenue, thus you will see club seats and hospitality rooms added to Alumni Stadium. The need to raise revenue will be key to keep Hafley. If he turns out to be an all star coach he will command 8 million per year to keep him. We need all the revenue we can get.

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If he becomes an all star coach you can't pay him enough to keep him. You have to have fans first before you can add things you expect fans to use.

No one is not showing up to Alumni because of the stadium’s amenities or lack thereof. The place could be rebuilt by Jerry Jones and not a single additional seat will be sold. Just the dumbest of dumb topics.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby twballgame9 on Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:24 pm

hansen wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
Eaglekeeper wrote:Alumni needs renovations to raise more revenue. There is only so much you can charge for a bench seat. Renovations are all about raising more revenue, thus you will see club seats and hospitality rooms added to Alumni Stadium. The need to raise revenue will be key to keep Hafley. If he turns out to be an all star coach he will command 8 million per year to keep him. We need all the revenue we can get.

Go Eagles!


If he becomes an all star coach you can't pay him enough to keep him. You have to have fans first before you can add things you expect fans to use.


Boston* fans (like most fans) are front runners. Put out a winning team and you’ll be shocked how quickly BC fans emerge out of the woodwork.

See mid 90s Red Sox fans, late 80s patriots fans as examples of what happens when you don’t win.


Potential BC fans are all from NY and NJ.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby Eaglekeeper on Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:47 pm

It’s about revenue per seat, not total attendance especially in a small stadium. BC wants and needs luxury seating. There are high ticket customers that BC can attract with the right amenities. They have done very well selling beer and wine in the stadium, that’s a new revenue stream. Club seats with a full bar and higher end food is untapped revenue that BC wants and needs. You can’t get that revenue until you renovate the stadium. Of course winning is extremely important, but even with Daz our base was 30,000. The lower bowl sells well, but the upper decks are sparse making those areas prime spots to rebuild. We’re only looking at about 15,000 seats that have the potential to generate $150 per seat, per game including ticket price, food, alcohol and club membership. That’s going to be extremely important revenue to keep a top coach and staff. Alumni can be an awesome stadium with the right renovations.

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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby eepstein0 on Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:14 am

Eaglekeeper wrote:It’s about revenue per seat, not total attendance especially in a small stadium. BC wants and needs luxury seating. There are high ticket customers that BC can attract with the right amenities. They have done very well selling beer and wine in the stadium, that’s a new revenue stream. Club seats with a full bar and higher end food is untapped revenue that BC wants and needs. You can’t get that revenue until you renovate the stadium. Of course winning is extremely important, but even with Daz our base was 30,000. The lower bowl sells well, but the upper decks are sparse making those areas prime spots to rebuild. We’re only looking at about 15,000 seats that have the potential to generate $150 per seat, per game including ticket price, food, alcohol and club membership. That’s going to be extremely important revenue to keep a top coach and staff. Alumni can be an awesome stadium with the right renovations.

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There's nothing wrong with Alumni Stadium. I can nitpick a few things (actual seats would be better, wider concourses, bathrooms in the upper deck, etc.) but on the priority list it's far down. BC needs to address the awful facilities for basketball and hockey. Pretty much everything BC builds ends up being beautiful (baseball facility looks awesome, football practice facility looks awesome, new student fitness center, etc.) so I'll trust their judgement on that part. Conte could be good for basketball, but it requires a renovation. The reason Conte is a poor basketball facility is that it's setup for hockey.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby Eaglekeeper on Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:38 am

You cannot change the layout of Conte, it is what it is. The first priority should be to build a new basketball arena. The trend at BC seems to be to build new rather than renovate. The results have been impressive, hopefully that trend continues with a new basketball arena.

The renovations to Alumni Stadium should be able to be financed through the increased revenue. You have to look at it as a real estate development. You have to take advantage of low interest rates and borrow money for capital improvements. BC just borrowed over 300 million in part to pay for the new science building. I can’t see BC improving it’s athletic facilities without borrowing money. That leads to building high revenue seating, not bench seats with no amenities. Baylor’s stadium is a very good example.

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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:57 am

Eaglekeeper wrote:You cannot change the layout of Conte, it is what it is. The first priority should be to build a new basketball arena.

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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby eepstein0 on Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:17 am

Eaglekeeper wrote:You cannot change the layout of Conte, it is what it is. The first priority should be to build a new basketball arena. The trend at BC seems to be to build new rather than renovate. The results have been impressive, hopefully that trend continues with a new basketball arena.

The renovations to Alumni Stadium should be able to be financed through the increased revenue. You have to look at it as a real estate development. You have to take advantage of low interest rates and borrow money for capital improvements. BC just borrowed over 300 million in part to pay for the new science building. I can’t see BC improving it’s athletic facilities without borrowing money. That leads to building high revenue seating, not bench seats with no amenities. Baylor’s stadium is a very good example.

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Why can't you renovate Conte?
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby MilitantEagle on Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:45 am

eepstein0 wrote:
Eaglekeeper wrote:You cannot change the layout of Conte, it is what it is. The first priority should be to build a new basketball arena. The trend at BC seems to be to build new rather than renovate. The results have been impressive, hopefully that trend continues with a new basketball arena.

The renovations to Alumni Stadium should be able to be financed through the increased revenue. You have to look at it as a real estate development. You have to take advantage of low interest rates and borrow money for capital improvements. BC just borrowed over 300 million in part to pay for the new science building. I can’t see BC improving it’s athletic facilities without borrowing money. That leads to building high revenue seating, not bench seats with no amenities. Baylor’s stadium is a very good example.

Go Eagles!


Why can't you renovate Conte?


I’m not in construction, but unlike Alumni, the stands are all concrete. I can’t imagine a renovation would be simple.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby eepstein0 on Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:22 am

MilitantEagle wrote:
eepstein0 wrote:
Eaglekeeper wrote:You cannot change the layout of Conte, it is what it is. The first priority should be to build a new basketball arena. The trend at BC seems to be to build new rather than renovate. The results have been impressive, hopefully that trend continues with a new basketball arena.

The renovations to Alumni Stadium should be able to be financed through the increased revenue. You have to look at it as a real estate development. You have to take advantage of low interest rates and borrow money for capital improvements. BC just borrowed over 300 million in part to pay for the new science building. I can’t see BC improving it’s athletic facilities without borrowing money. That leads to building high revenue seating, not bench seats with no amenities. Baylor’s stadium is a very good example.

Go Eagles!


Why can't you renovate Conte?


I’m not in construction, but unlike Alumni, the stands are all concrete. I can’t imagine a renovation would be simple.


That's fair I hadn't thought of that.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby eagle33 on Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:14 pm

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Eaglekeeper wrote:You cannot change the layout of Conte, it is what it is. The first priority should be to build a new basketball arena.

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where the plex was, if that's not enough room, take down some of the mods to make enough room.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby BostonCollege1 on Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:58 pm

eepstein0 wrote:
Eaglekeeper wrote:It’s about revenue per seat, not total attendance especially in a small stadium. BC wants and needs luxury seating. There are high ticket customers that BC can attract with the right amenities. They have done very well selling beer and wine in the stadium, that’s a new revenue stream. Club seats with a full bar and higher end food is untapped revenue that BC wants and needs. You can’t get that revenue until you renovate the stadium. Of course winning is extremely important, but even with Daz our base was 30,000. The lower bowl sells well, but the upper decks are sparse making those areas prime spots to rebuild. We’re only looking at about 15,000 seats that have the potential to generate $150 per seat, per game including ticket price, food, alcohol and club membership. That’s going to be extremely important revenue to keep a top coach and staff. Alumni can be an awesome stadium with the right renovations.

Go Eagles!


...Pretty much everything BC builds ends up being beautiful (baseball facility looks awesome, football practice facility looks awesome, new student fitness center, etc.) so I'll trust their judgement on that part...


In this regard, BC has come a long way under Leahy. New construction and renovations are really well done now. I'll give Leahy credit for that, because he has his hand in every project, even down to some of the smallest details.

Otherwise, it seems that everything built between the 60's and the 80's was crap, including Conte - it's not a good building, in a lot of ways, but BC shoehorned it in to its location. A new basketball building on the site of the Plex would help a lot of programs.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby MF73-Eleazar on Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:29 pm

Conte can be hockey only. change the upper section from lame bench seating to safe standing like you see in some stadiums.

New BB arena is a must. whoever suggested 5k capacity, perfect size.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby eepstein0 on Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:24 pm

MF73-Eleazar wrote:Conte can be hockey only. change the upper section from lame bench seating to safe standing like you see in some stadiums.

New BB arena is a must. whoever suggested 5k capacity, perfect size.


I really don’t like safe standing or a 5k arena. Too small and this isn’t European Soccer
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby xu9697 on Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:36 am

Northwestern and Clemson are schools that recently gutted and renovated the basketball arena. It seems that the set up for Conte would make it more difficult than even Welsh-Ryan (Northwestern), but I am no expert. Welsh-Ryan was renovated at a cost of $110 million 2 years ago. Not sure if spatially and cost wise it would be easier to fit a 4,000 seat hockey arena somewhere vs. a new basketball arena.

I think Northwestern might have the smallest arena for a Power 5 (+ Big East) school, and it is just over 7,000. I would say that should be the target size: 7,000-7,500. Villanova only has 6,500 in Finneran, but they play many games at the Sixers' arena.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby BCMurt09 on Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:44 am

This is all great but where do you put it.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby eagle33 on Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:12 pm

BCMurt09 wrote:This is all great but where do you put it.


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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby flyingelvii on Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:19 pm

Given recent construction, I can't see BC making student housing LESS available.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby eagle33 on Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:44 pm

flyingelvii wrote:Given recent construction, I can't see BC making student housing LESS available.


take down all of the mods and put up a larger building that includes student housing in addition to the hockey or hoops arena.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby HJS on Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:47 pm

Look an aerial map of campus. The actual footprint for Conte is quite small and can easily be placed. With lower campus, you already have parking and aren’t constrained by things like roadways (BC controls the layout of Campanella Way). Ideal location, in my opinion, is the area in front of the new Plex... between that and the Fieldhouse... directly adjacent to Beacon Garage.
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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby Eaglekeeper on Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:52 pm

BC has decided not to pursue either a 4,000 seat hockey rink or a new b-ball arena due to cost. The numbers were crazy high, so the plan now is to build practice facilities for both hockey and hoops just like they did for football and baseball (Frates Center). BC will not borrow any funds to build these facilities due to a recent 330 million bond offering to pay for Connell, new science building and other new buildings. This makes it very difficult to get much done quickly. Forget about much in the way of renovations to Conte or Alumni until after the new practice facilities are built. I hope they build it next to Connell, but I heard that they are looking at the parking lot in front of Merkert Chemistry building at least for hoops.

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Re: Strategic Plan

Postby MF73-Eleazar on Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:24 pm

if that's the case, better than nothing.
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