vpi game thread

[Corporal Funishment]

Happy to say I did not watch

That final score looks like about the best we could have hoped for

go team go

[HJS]

BUT IN 55 YEARS OF ATTENDING BC GAMES I HAVE NEVER SEEN WORSE ATTENDANCE OR LOWER SPIRITS FOR A GAME ON NATIONAL TV AGAINST A RANKED OPPONENT AND SOMETIME RIVAL OF THE EAGLES'. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT: THIS IS THE LOWEST POINT IN BC FOOTBALL HISTORY IN MANY, MANY YEARS. NO ONE CARES. NO ONE.

I don't think anyone would argue this point. I do, however, think there are number of factors that have driven us here.

First, there was the clumsy implementation of the DBS program. There was no immediate pain from this... but, in leaner years, the displacement of long-time fans coupled with the natural behavior that accompanies making something a commodity (no motivation to maintain seats when bad or to justify their cost).

Second, the hiring (and extending) of Spaz. He very adeptly took the program from 2 consecutive ACCCGs to 2-wins. The sudden and fully predictable result of his tenure was the beginning of the end of BC football.

Third, the hiring of Daz. BC could've rebounded nicely with the right coach. Unfortunately, Daz's tenure has been as underwhelming as we all predicted. I think he has upgraded the talent but couldn't coach this team to a win over Ansonia.

Finally, there is the cultural phenomenon that has resulted in nearly every sporting event being poorly attended.

[ATLeagle]

The empty seats are due mostly to the bad football, but I think college football has a real experience/attendance issue nationwide. Lots of empty seats at Florida State-Miami. I am sure you've see the pictures of empty seats at LSU. As I blogged about this summer, UGA offered me the chance to buy season tickets this year. Ten years ago when I was a grad student there, the wait list to get seasons tickets was approximately six seasons long. The secondary market has killed the need to own actual season tickets and the home experience is so good there is little reason to go to all the games.

[eepstein0]

So was I wrong about Brown dick heads?

The guy you advocated for is even worse!

[eepstein0]

here's the angry gym teacher: https://twitter.com/HerewegoJoe/status/ ... 3407846401

Should’ve asked him if scoring 10 points per game is beautiful.

[twballgame9]

Such a clown. Addazio too

[DuchesneEast]

In all fairness, it was Columbus day and all 2000 freshman nerds went home.

[2001Eagle]

Played flip cup outside in a monsoon in Chicago at a block party with 5 tvs. Didn't even bother asking hosts to put game on. This is my lowest level of interest in BC football in my life. Thanks Buttcut. Thanks Daz. Thanks Coach Flip.

[eagle33]

here's the angry gym teacher: https://twitter.com/HerewegoJoe/status/ ... 3407846401

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqOsrniBooQ

[HJS]

Daz is saying the right things. Again, we don't want him to say these things because we know folks who hate football will internalize them and use them as reasons to justify continued malfeasance.

But, objectively, he is saying what a salesman is supposed to say. He's changing the conversation from winning to investment. It speaks to patience and discrediting immediate results. This is a skill that Daz clearly honed as a broker. The problem is that (for the few who actually care about the dumpster fire of a program) this motherfucker said the exact same thing 2 seasons ago with regard to the terrible OLine. Fool me once...

Besides, whenever he leaves, he's going to be able to (a) take credit for his successor's success or (b) point out his successor's inferiority for failing with a loaded roster.

[innocentbystander]

here's the angry gym teacher: https://twitter.com/HerewegoJoe/status/ ... 3407846401

He said he didn't have a clock on it (when the offense comes together) but it will be beautiful. That is right. It WILL be beautiful. But I do have clock on it. It will be 3 years after the last season he has coached this team.

[innocentbystander]

Daz is saying the right things. Again, we don't want him to say these things because we know folks who hate football will internalize them and use them as reasons to justify continued malfeasance.

But, objectively, he is saying what a salesman is supposed to say. He's changing the conversation from winning to investment.

He needs to start selling 3-star and 4 -star recruits, not the local media.

It speaks to patience and discrediting immediate results. This is a skill that Daz clearly honed as a broker. The problem is that (for the few who actually care about the dumpster fire of a program) this motherfucker said the exact same thing 2 seasons ago with regard to the terrible OLine. Fool me once...

We don't have a sports media in Boston that is going to call him out the way they called out Pete Carrol when he was coaching the Patriots in a losing effort. They are simply going to back down when challenged by Addazio in the press conference.

Besides, whenever he leaves, he's going to be able to (a) take credit for his successor's success or (b) point out his successor's inferiority for failing with a loaded roster.

Nick Saban could not win in the ACC with these kids. This roster is not (nor has it been for almost ten years) loaded. Spaz could recruit better players. We have had 5 sequential years where the recruiting class was ranked either 12th out of 12 teams or 14th out of 14 teams in the ACC. You don't "load" a roster with that kind of talent.

[HJS]

Nick Saban could not win in the ACC with these kids. This roster is not (nor has it been for almost ten years) loaded. Spaz could recruit better players. We have had 5 sequential years where the recruiting class was ranked either 12th out of 12 teams or 14th out of 14 teams in the ACC. You don't "load" a roster with that kind of talent.

If Nick Saban was the head coach, the winner of Clemson-BC would win the Atlantic this year and be the heavy favorite to win the ACCCG against whatever the Coastal pukes out. My point is that if Nick Saban can't win the ACC with this talent it is only because Clemson was in the midst of a historic run to 3-consecutive National Champs Game where they lost only 1 game in 3 years.

[innocentbystander]

Nick Saban could not win in the ACC with these kids. This roster is not (nor has it been for almost ten years) loaded. Spaz could recruit better players. We have had 5 sequential years where the recruiting class was ranked either 12th out of 12 teams or 14th out of 14 teams in the ACC. You don't "load" a roster with that kind of talent.

If Nick Saban was the head coach, the winner of Clemson-BC would win the Atlantic this year and be the heavy favorite to win the ACCCG against whatever the Coastal pukes out. My point is that if Nick Saban can't win the ACC with this talent it is only because Clemson was in the midst of a historic run to 3-consecutive National Champs Game where they lost only 1 game in 3 years.

HJS, listen to me very-very carefully.

• Addazio and BC was the only coach and team to challenge the would be undefeated national champions in 2013
• The following year, Addazio and BC almost BEAT the defending national champions on the road
• He also beat USC at home, beat vpi two years in a row
• Then 2015 happened and (for once) Addazio was playing with all his own kids
• Now BC gets blown away by everyone in the ACC, including fucking Wake Forest

The problem is not Addazio's game day coaching. The problem is his recruiting. These kids suck. Next year (even if Addazio is gone, and he wont be) they will still suck. This team will continue to suck until 3 years (at the very least) after Addazio is no longer with the program. He can't sell top notch recruits. Fuck everything else if you can't do that.

[Supahfan99]

Nick Saban could not win in the ACC with these kids. This roster is not (nor has it been for almost ten years) loaded. Spaz could recruit better players. We have had 5 sequential years where the recruiting class was ranked either 12th out of 12 teams or 14th out of 14 teams in the ACC. You don't "load" a roster with that kind of talent.

If Nick Saban was the head coach, the winner of Clemson-BC would win the Atlantic this year and be the heavy favorite to win the ACCCG against whatever the Coastal pukes out. My point is that if Nick Saban can't win the ACC with this talent it is only because Clemson was in the midst of a historic run to 3-consecutive National Champs Game where they lost only 1 game in 3 years.

HJS, listen to me very-very carefully.

• Addazio and BC was the only coach and team to challenge the would be undefeated national champions in 2013
• The following year, Addazio and BC almost BEAT the defending national champions on the road
• He also beat USC at home, beat vpi two years in a row
• Then 2015 happened and (for once) Addazio was playing with all his own kids
• Now BC gets blown away by everyone in the ACC, including fucking Wake Forest

The problem is not Addazio's game day coaching. The problem is his recruiting. These kids suck. Next year (even if Addazio is gone, and he wont be) they will still suck. This team will continue to suck until 3 years (at the very least) after Addazio is no longer with the program. He can't sell top notch recruits. Fuck everything else if you can't do that.

BC can and has won without top notch recruits. What we see on the field with Daz is a fucking embarrassment just like we saw with Spaz. And that's because this man doesn't know how to coach a football team, develop any type of talent (assume whatever base level of talent you want to assume, these kids don't get better generally), or come up with any type of plan on how to build a roster and form an identity for this program under his watch. Given that BC isn't a generally a destination for top notch recruits with the exception of Brian Toal (thanks Greg), wishing or expecting top notch recruits to be signing a LOI with BC is on the level of stupidity with eaglekeeper's expectations that fans will rush to BC in droves to fill in the seats (in the filled-in corners especially) with a coaching change. This is a man without a plan but he hopes something will happen and "it's going to be beautiful"... this man has no plan and has no idea how this is going to happen, he's just hoping it will and as HJS pointed out, he is spinning the conversation to avoid responsibility for the current situation, which quite frankly is unacceptable.

[innocentbystander]

Nick Saban could not win in the ACC with these kids. This roster is not (nor has it been for almost ten years) loaded. Spaz could recruit better players. We have had 5 sequential years where the recruiting class was ranked either 12th out of 12 teams or 14th out of 14 teams in the ACC. You don't "load" a roster with that kind of talent.

If Nick Saban was the head coach, the winner of Clemson-BC would win the Atlantic this year and be the heavy favorite to win the ACCCG against whatever the Coastal pukes out. My point is that if Nick Saban can't win the ACC with this talent it is only because Clemson was in the midst of a historic run to 3-consecutive National Champs Game where they lost only 1 game in 3 years.

HJS, listen to me very-very carefully.

• Addazio and BC was the only coach and team to challenge the would be undefeated national champions in 2013
• The following year, Addazio and BC almost BEAT the defending national champions on the road
• He also beat USC at home, beat vpi two years in a row
• Then 2015 happened and (for once) Addazio was playing with all his own kids
• Now BC gets blown away by everyone in the ACC, including fucking Wake Forest

The problem is not Addazio's game day coaching. The problem is his recruiting. These kids suck. Next year (even if Addazio is gone, and he wont be) they will still suck. This team will continue to suck until 3 years (at the very least) after Addazio is no longer with the program. He can't sell top notch recruits. Fuck everything else if you can't do that.

BC can and has won without top notch recruits. What we see on the field with Daz is a fucking embarrassment just like we saw with Spaz. And that's because this man doesn't know how to coach a football team, develop any type of talent (assume whatever base level of talent you want to assume, these kids don't get better generally), or come up with any type of plan on how to build a roster and form an identity for this program under his watch.

2013 and 2014 were not embarrassing seasons. He took Spaz's kids, and (mostly) won with them. That is because Spaz recruited one of the best tailbacks in the country, recruited some excellent offensive linemen (better than anything Addazio has ever recruited for the O-Line) and Chase Rettig was the last ACC caliber QB this team has had. Daz had weapons when he wasn't responsible for selecting them himself. Now that he is responsible, he doesn't have anything.

Given that BC isn't a generally a destination for top notch recruits with the exception of Brian Toal (thanks Greg), wishing or expecting top notch recruits to be signing a LOI with BC is on the level of stupidity with eaglekeeper's expectations that fans will rush to BC in droves to fill in the seats (in the filled-in corners especially) with a coaching change. This is a man without a plan but he hopes something will happen and "it's going to be beautiful"... this man has no plan and has no idea how this is going to happen, he's just hoping it will and as HJS pointed out, he is spinning the conversation to avoid responsibility for the current situation, which quite frankly is unacceptable.

recruited

• the best tailback in the entire country in 1999
• the best defensive end in the country in 2001 (we just didn't know it, no one knew)
• the best QB in the country in 2003 (we just didn't know it, no one knew)
• the best defensive tackle in the country in 2003 (again, no one knew)
• the best linebacker in the country in 2005

Other than Toal (and William Green), the top notch recruits do not come to BC. So the BC coach must find players that are incredibly undervalued (the Kiwis, the Matt Ryans, the BJ Rajis.) He also brought in players who were maybe 4th or even 5th best in the country at the position, completely undervalued like Will Blackmon and a certain 2-star Wide Receiver that made three 5 star wide receivers at USC look tired in Spaz's second Bowl game in 2009. Toby did that (consistently) and would (as a result) consistently win 8 or 9 games a year. There was never-ever any drop-off in Toby's recruiting. We just hated the man because all he ever did was bitch about how hard it was. Spaz kind of repeated Toby's success with Andre Williams, with Luke Keuchly and couple others. Addazio hasn't recruited... shit.

You are right, the current situation is quite frankly unacceptable. But if we want to fix the problem, we must first diagnose exactly what the problem is. Addazio has won some big games for BC and has been extremely competitive in games against national title winners/contenders, just nothing in the last 3 seasons. And the reason for that isn't because Addazio was just recently diagnosed with Alzheimer's. The coach has to go (no question) but not because of what happens on game day. He has to go because of what he is NOT doing the other 353 days of the year.

[HJS]

I can't do this. You win IB... you are simply the Elizabeth Warren of football analysis.

[claver2010]

That is because Spaz recruited one of the best tailbacks in the country.

outstanding work

[Supahfan99]

I can't do this. You win IB... you are simply the Elizabeth Warren of football analysis.

LOL well said.

[ATLeagle]

2013 and 2014 were not embarrassing seasons. He took Spaz's kids, and (mostly) won with them. That is because Spaz recruited one of the best tailbacks in the country, recruited some excellent offensive linemen (better than anything Addazio has ever recruited for the O-Line) and Chase Rettig was the last ACC caliber QB this team has had. Daz had weapons when he wasn't responsible for selecting them himself. Now that he is responsible, he doesn't have anything.

IB = Elizabeth Warren is genius. Addazio should be fired but when IB says stuff like this, it makes him sound like more of an idiot. Tyler Murphy holds the single season record for QB rushing yards in the ACC. Does that not make him ACC Caliber? Who recruited him? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't Spaz. The difference between Year 1&2 vs the others is that we had a functional OC who could craft a game plan to the talent on hand.

[claver2010]

speaking of that atl, in your chip kelly scenario think fhcrd comes back as oc?

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

I can't do this. You win IB... you are simply the Elizabeth Warren of football analysis.

foe+nospace=a much better website experience

[StratEagle]

There is some talent on this team, but it certainly isn't "loaded". Daz being a salesman does not make him a good recruiter, or at least not at BC. You can say all the right things to a kid, but all they have to do is watch one game of this offense in front of an empty stadium and it's obvious they'd be better off elsewhere.

He really just sucks at all aspects of being a head coach that actually lead to wins.

[innocentbystander]

2013 and 2014 were not embarrassing seasons. He took Spaz's kids, and (mostly) won with them. That is because Spaz recruited one of the best tailbacks in the country, recruited some excellent offensive linemen (better than anything Addazio has ever recruited for the O-Line) and Chase Rettig was the last ACC caliber QB this team has had. Daz had weapons when he wasn't responsible for selecting them himself. Now that he is responsible, he doesn't have anything.

IB = Elizabeth Warren is genius. Addazio should be fired but when IB says stuff like this, it makes him sound like more of an idiot. Tyler Murphy holds the single season record for QB rushing yards in the ACC. Does that not make him ACC Caliber? Who recruited him? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't Spaz.

GREAT! Go get us another one. Go get us ANYTHING Addazio. He hasn't. I wonder why?

Let me clue you in on something that is painfully obvious to anyone who is intellectually honest about Tyler Murphy: he came and played his 5th year for BC because he was never-again going to take even one snap at Florida. There I said it. So his choice for his one year of graduate school was to ride the bench for his 5th year OR transfer to BC and play for the man who recruited him. Seemed pretty obvious to him.

Tyler Murphy got a scholarship offer to play in Florida. Assume Spaz gives Tyler the same offer in 2010 that Addazio gave him in Florida. Which school do you think he would have played for? I'll give you a hint, it wouldn't be BC. Fuck everything else you have to say.

The difference between Year 1&2 vs the others is that we had a functional OC who could craft a game plan to the talent on hand.

Bullshit. The players were better in 2013 and 2014 than they are now. You are just trying to be a nice guy and make any of the players (we might read this board) feel better about their situation and their level of talent.

Their situation is completely hopeless. Do not tell me that its about the offensive coordinator. Because if it was, all Addazio would have to do, is get a better offensive coordinator. We both know (we ALL know) that will NOT fix this team.

[Logitano]

2013 and 2014 were not embarrassing seasons. He took Spaz's kids, and (mostly) won with them. That is because Spaz recruited one of the best tailbacks in the country, recruited some excellent offensive linemen (better than anything Addazio has ever recruited for the O-Line) and Chase Rettig was the last ACC caliber QB this team has had. Daz had weapons when he wasn't responsible for selecting them himself. Now that he is responsible, he doesn't have anything.

IB = Elizabeth Warren is genius. Addazio should be fired but when IB says stuff like this, it makes him sound like more of an idiot. Tyler Murphy holds the single season record for QB rushing yards in the ACC. Does that not make him ACC Caliber? Who recruited him? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't Spaz.

GREAT! Go get us another one. Go get us ANYTHING Addazio. He hasn't. I wonder why?

Let me clue you in on something that is painfully obvious to anyone who is intellectually honest about Tyler Murphy: he came and played his 5th year for BC because he was never-again going to take even one snap at Florida. There I said it. So his choice for his one year of graduate school was to ride the bench for his 5th year OR transfer to BC and play for the man who recruited him. Seemed pretty obvious to him.

Tyler Murphy got a scholarship offer to play in Florida. Assume Spaz gives Tyler the same offer in 2010 that Addazio gave him in Florida. Which school do you think he would have played for? I'll give you a hint, it wouldn't be BC. Fuck everything else you have to say.

The difference between Year 1&2 vs the others is that we had a functional OC who could craft a game plan to the talent on hand.

Bullshit. The players were better in 2013 and 2014 than they are now. You are just trying to be a nice guy and make any of the players (we might read this board) feel better about their situation and their level of talent.

Their situation is completely hopeless. Do not tell me that its about the offensive coordinator. Because if it was, all Addazio would have to do, is get a better offensive coordinator. We both know (we ALL know) that will NOT fix this team.

Retardo is on fire!

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

the only thing dumber than reading my in-depth sports commentary for factual and coherent content is to try to glimmer some semblance of intelligence from nospace's sports/recruiting/performance analysis.

the whole lot of you are only bringing yourself more wrath...

[Dick Rosenthal]

I have to say, I am thoroughly enjoying nospace right now. He is bringing the pain! Give 'em hell betardo!

[DavidGordonsFoot]

I'd call this game bizarre if not for the fact that it was more sad than bizarre.

I can't remember a BC/VT game where both sides seemed perfectly content to hand the ball back and forth to each other for the entire second half. Outside of the rare year where BC is competitive in this game, VT is usually still rocketshipping the Eagles well into the 3rd quarter. It's strange that VT called off the dogs so early this time.

The pregame atmosphere and energy was phenomenal. It's clear now more than ever that people are coming to campus just to tailgate.

Is it me or are a lot of the players not playing to the whistle?

[mezmrin]

As an outsider looking in I will say that freshman RB that yall have...i think his name is Dillon, is an absolute monster. He could turn out to be one of the best backs in the country easy. I would hand him the ball every time if I was yall. As far as your overall talent, I haven't seen enough of BC football to say, but I will say that during our game your team seemed plenty capable. Especially capable enough to where I wouldn't be expecting 0-fers every season in the ACC.


On a side note, I'm sure this has been discussed here before, but have yall seen that Maryland sign they hold up about the excessive juice? I was dying laughing thinking about ole chewbacca's court date or whatever that thread was about. Couldn't remember who wrote it...Bani kept coming to mind but I think that was the guy who wanted to fight everyone in the applebees' parking lot. Is that saved in the HOF somewhere?

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

...On a side note, I'm sure this has been discussed here before, but have yall seen that Maryland sign they hold up about the excessive juice? I was dying laughing thinking about ole chewbacca's court date or whatever that thread was about. Couldn't remember who wrote it...Bani kept coming to mind but I think that was the guy who wanted to fight everyone in the applebees' parking lot. Is that saved in the HOF somewhere?

bani was the midget that coined the name "homojs" and threatened to fight people in broken english. if i remember correctly, he wanted to fight any of his dissenters in roxbury, not behind applebees.

studsandduds brought us the reality that chewbanksa can't make the juice. i don't think he ever posted here at eo, but was more of a tcs poster

http://eagleoutsider.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=834&p=15150

I had jury dooty today and was wondering what if chewbanka stood on trial? lol

pitcher


I like to call to stand up...chewbanka. does you swear to tell you truth so help you to god of wookie?

waaaaaa (yes)

chewbanksa....CAN YOU MAKE TEH JUICE?

waaaaaaaa(no)

you honer i like this case to be desmithed. (hammer hit desk) chewbanka you is free to fly you ships and shoot you guns because you prove to a worls that what you do is legal becuase you can't make juice.

waaaaaaa(thnak you) waaaaaaaaaaa(lets go han)