Who is a worse coach, Daz or Ben McAdoo

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

At least Daz still has the locker room.

McAdoo was never going to be the Giants HC for very long. He was made HC to squeeze another Super Bowl out of Eli without having to implement a new system. This will just speed up the process of the Giants hiring a real HC.

and hopefully a real quarterback

fuck eli manning in his downy eye sockets

Let's explore a variation of Hansen's Dilemma (tm Tonto): you have to kiss either the weener or butthole of either Daz or Eli. your choice?

that's easy... hansen would kiss all four

[HJS]

With all due respect to Ty and his cousin-in-law (Logi), the Gmen are a hot mess. I think this thread can officially award McAdoo the winner. It would've been a much closer battle if Reese was included in the competition.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/giant-stun ... 47837.html

[eepstein0]

With all due respect to Ty and his cousin-in-law (Logi), the Gmen are a hot mess. I think this thread can officially award McAdoo the winner. It would've been a much closer battle if Reese was included in the competition.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/giant-stun ... 47837.html

MetLife Stadium is pretty fun for a football game on a different note.

[MF73-Eleazar]

End the season and Giants fans misery. Enjoy Jax, Eli. Thanks for the 2 SB wins.

[HJS]

The pope's take: https://omny.fm/shows/mike-francesa/mik ... ben-mcadoo

[claver2010]

the pope turned on the giants organization once they let obj run the place, throw that in with his love of eli for doing his weekly spot (the questions mike asks are softer than the one daz gets after a rocketship special) and you have the above

[twballgame9]

I guess I might understand it with a top prospect like manning replacing Warner. But you disrespect him to give a terrible Jets castoff a start? what's the logic there?

[flyingelvii]

Davis Webb will eventually get most of the reps after this week.

[BCMurt09]

Davis Webb will eventually get most of the reps after this week.

The visceral reaction to all this is just everyone's frustration coming out. I mean, look, I'm not thrilled with the decision and feel it could have been handled in a much better way, but I think McAdoo is in over his head as it is. I understand gamesmanship, but you're 2-9, just tell everyone that you're starting Geno this week to give Webb more time with the first and second team offenses and then he will start the last four games.

I actually think Geno is probably better than most realize, but the Jets are a horrendous organization, Iraqi provincial government level horrendous, and probably killed his career before it really started.

[2001Eagle]

McAdoo and Reese are failures. Hard to believe that Mara signed off on this.

[twballgame9]

Davis Webb will eventually get most of the reps after this week.

Okay, well then I totally understand the move.

Look, Manning has never been more than mediocre, but I'd suggest having a replacement first.

[HJS]

Mike is correct in his analysis as it relates to McAdoo and Reese making Eli a scapegoat for their incompetence. Mara allowing them to do that speaks directly to his leadership (or lack thereof). I would assume most Giants fans would be OK if they announced that they were sitting Eli because: (a) they need to see what they have in Webb, (b) don't want Eli to get hurt playing in a lost season with no WRs, running game or OLine and (c) best positions them to draft Josh Rosen.

On the other hand, given the outrage this decision has garnered, I wonder if Mara just baited McAdoo and Reese to make their failures complete so that no one would ever question their terminations.

[BCMurt09]

Mike is correct in his analysis as it relates to McAdoo and Reese making Eli a scapegoat for their incompetence. Mara allowing them to do that speaks directly to his leadership (or lack thereof). I would assume most Giants fans would be OK if they announced that they were sitting Eli because: (a) they need to see what they have in Webb, (b) don't want Eli to get hurt playing in a lost season with no WRs, running game or OLine and (c) best positions them to draft Josh Rosen.

On the other hand, given the outrage this decision has garnered, I wonder if Mara just baited McAdoo and Reese to make their failures complete so that no one would ever question their terminations.

I'm not sure about the last sentence. I don't know a single Giants fan who needed any more of a reason to show McAdoo and Reese the door.

[MF73-Eleazar]

Allegedly, Eli was asked to start, but then end up eventually giving way to one of the other QBs. He didn't want that at all, from what I heard on ESPNRadio.

[flyingelvii]

McAdoo and Reese are failures. Hard to believe that Mara signed off on this.

I do not know how you can call Jerry Reese a failure.

[BCMurt09]

McAdoo and Reese are failures. Hard to believe that Mara signed off on this.

I do not know how you can call Jerry Reese a failure.

His only two successes have been Landon Collins and Odell. Generally speaking his other draft picks have been unmitigated disasters (see Flowers, Ereck). Two years ago the defense was identified as a liability so he went out and fixed it, which he deserves credit for. Last year, the Offensive Line/ Run game was identified as a liability and he has done nothing.

He had very little to do with their two Super Bowl victories and yet receives a pass because of them. If he is retained after this year there will be riots.

[twballgame9]

McAdoo and Reese are failures. Hard to believe that Mara signed off on this.

I do not know how you can call Jerry Reese a failure.

His only two successes have been Landon Collins and Odell. Generally speaking his other draft picks have been unmitigated disasters (see Flowers, Ereck). Two years ago the defense was identified as a liability so he went out and fixed it, which he deserves credit for. Last year, the Offensive Line/ Run game was identified as a liability and he has done nothing.

He had very little to do with their two Super Bowl victories and yet receives a pass because of them. If he is retained after this year there will be riots.

The idea that a GM has very little to do with a SB win that occurs 4 years into his tenure is absurd. Not to mention that he was director of player personnel and a scout before he was promoted. I suspect he had a little to do with the talent assembled for both SBs.

[b0mberMan]

Jerry Reese was very good at identifying D Line talent and building a pass rush.

He couldn't draft a linebacker for shit

[twballgame9]

Jerry Reese was very good at identifying D Line talent and building a pass rush.

He couldn't draft a linebacker for shit

The first sentence won both super bowls.

[b0mberMan]

Yeah I know.

[HJS]

McAdoo fired... but, don't worry Logi and Dick... Reese is still running the show.

[BCMurt09]

Unprecedented moves by the Giants. Need to get the next hires right though.

[HJS]

Whoops. Sorry Toughchester folks... Reese is also (finally) canned.
https://twitter.com/AKinkhabwala/status ... 6030083073

[HJS]

John DeFilippo is totally getting this job.
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2017 ... place.html

[twballgame9]

I could see Shaw, but why would Saban want to leave Alabama? Even Harbaugh makes more sense.

Haley is a good coach, I could see that hire.

[HJS]

Cowher has always been mentioned as replacement, but he's probably too old now. If I had to put money down, I'd say the job goes to Sean Payton. But, that is just a guess.

[twballgame9]

Cowher has always been mentioned as replacement, but he's probably too old now. If I had to put money down, I'd say the job goes to Sean Payton. But, that is just a guess.

Problem with Payton is that they could be playing longer than the Giants want to wait. Different for the head guy.

[HJS]

Cowher has always been mentioned as replacement, but he's probably too old now. If I had to put money down, I'd say the job goes to Sean Payton. But, that is just a guess.

Problem with Payton is that they could be playing longer than the Giants want to wait. Different for the head guy.

So long as your HC isn't going to be your GM, there really isn't much of a concern with regard to timing. It's not like Payton would be out recruiting. It's not like free agents can sign before the Super Bowl. As long as you are just hiring a coach to coach, there isn't much to worry about timing.

[twballgame9]

Cowher has always been mentioned as replacement, but he's probably too old now. If I had to put money down, I'd say the job goes to Sean Payton. But, that is just a guess.

Problem with Payton is that they could be playing longer than the Giants want to wait. Different for the head guy.

So long as your HC isn't going to be your GM, there really isn't much of a concern with regard to timing. It's not like Payton would be out recruiting. It's not like free agents can sign before the Super Bowl. As long as you are just hiring a coach to coach, there isn't much to worry about timing.

Unless it means you will miss out on Plan B if you wait to speak with Payton and he turns you down. While assistants certainly interview during a playoff run, I'm not sure a head coach like Payton would be willing to screw that up. I know he's from the Parcells school, and Parcells sort of did it (it didn't come to a head until after), but that was a rarity and Payton doesn't have the same animosity toward Benson that Parcells had toward Kraft.

[BCMurt09]

Mara told the Pope yesterday their focus is GM right now. That person will be able to weigh in on the next HC. They also want the GM in place with a long enough lead time up to the draft. Ernie Accorsi is consulting on the search. I think my preference right now would be Josh McDaniels.