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claver2010 {l Wrote}:also has flown under the radar for me as we don't play them this year but what a f'ing trainwreck FSU is. destroyed by louisville, pitt, & nc state on consecutive weekends

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claver2010 {l Wrote}:also has flown under the radar for me as we don't play them this year but what a f'ing trainwreck FSU is. destroyed by louisville, pitt, & nc state on consecutive weekends

And yet somehow blew the doors off of UNC. FSU lost its way when it became a national program. They got where they were under Bowden by recruiting the hell out of Florida. At some point, they seemed to get away from that and tried grabbing kids from around the country. Ohio State needs to do that because rust belt kids are slow. But, FSU should've just mined their well-known territory. They could be a top 10 team by consistently landing their 3rd Choice Florida prospects. Personally, I think they pulled the plug too soon on Willie Taggart. I'm not saying he was going to turn it around, I'm just saying that you don't have to fire the guy after only 2 years when you have no targeted replacement (other than the meh Mike Norvell... at least take Mark Stoops). FSU's roster should be composed of 90% Floridian kids (half of whom would not be accepted into The U (be it for academic or legal issues)).

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claver2010 {l Wrote}:also has flown under the radar for me as we don't play them this year but what a f'ing trainwreck FSU is. destroyed by louisville, pitt, & nc state on consecutive weekends

And yet somehow blew the doors off of UNC. FSU lost its way when it became a national program. They got where they were under Bowden by recruiting the hell out of Florida. At some point, they seemed to get away from that and tried grabbing kids from around the country. Ohio State needs to do that because rust belt kids are slow. But, FSU should've just mined their well-known territory. They could be a top 10 team by consistently landing their 3rd Choice Florida prospects. Personally, I think they pulled the plug too soon on Willie Taggart. I'm not saying he was going to turn it around, I'm just saying that you don't have to fire the guy after only 2 years when you have no targeted replacement (other than the meh Mike Norvell... at least take Mark Stoops). FSU's roster should be composed of 90% Floridian kids (half of whom would not be accepted into The U (be it for academic or legal issues)).

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Michigan LB Coach Al Washington will accept a job with Michigan’s arch rival Ohio State.

While Jim Harbaugh is vacationing after a blowout bowl loss, Ohio State head coach Ryan Day just stole away one of Michigan’s best recruiters in his 1st day on the job.

Chess. Not checkers.

Will Harbaugh survive this year short of beating 0.0hio St? Don't know what his buyout is but assume it is a lot. For financial and PR (outside of the SEC) reasons it will be very difficult for schools to fire the head coach this year. They will probably need boosters to pay for the buyout if they want to get rid of him.
3rd down Donnie Brown is going to target Mass recruits no matter where he ends up and Mass has always sent kids to Mich (Laro, McMurtey, Collins... ) but Mich has never made Mass a recruiting priority they way they have with Brown.

Isn’t it just a handshake right now? I thought it was getting low and they were negotiating pre Covid. I think he could be out this year.

Michigan needs to recruit nationally if they want to keep up with tOSU. I’m sure Brown will keep recruiting MA, but I also wonder if he’ll retire after this. He’s pushing 70?

Harbaugh is not going anywhere. The job is his until he no longer wants it.

How is that possible? He is the 4th highest paid coach, 0-5 against their rival, 1-4 in bowl games, no Rose Bowls or BCS...

It’s possible when you consider (as amply proven by posters here) that Michigan fans are as idiotic as their kissing cousins at Ped State.

It would be us firing Flutie. If it gets to a point where they decide he needs to go, it will be him resigning for the greater good/him leaving for the NFL. He will not be fired.

I do not think Harbaugh is anywhere near as revered. However, the parallel would be us hiring Flores after he brought the Dolphins to the Super Bowl... or maybe a BOB-like situation (where there is a BC connection and success in college and pros). Nonetheless, I agree with you. They were so certain that Harbaugh was the perfect response to Urban that they won't let go of it regardless of the results. In their mind, it is just a matter of time for HCRD to fall on his face without Urban's recruits and Big Blue rises again under the Michigan Man.

That said, as posted in the "Other games" thread... "Harbaugh is still respected there based on his time as a player and success with the 49ers. I actually think you could see a lot of college coaches make the jump this year. The coordinator pool in the NFL is littered with retreads who are unlikely to get 2nd/3rd chances. Saban, Riley, Dabo, Franklin, Shaw, Harbaugh, HCRD, Urban... they all are better than what’s sitting around the coordinator booth." To that point, I see Jim Harbaugh being a possibility for the Jets. Joe Douglas spent 15 years with the Ravens and likely has some relationship with John Harbaugh (that could be a link to Jim).

I may end up being wrong about Harbaugh after Saturday's historic loss for Michigan (worst deficit at half time and home loss since like 1903) but still maintain that Don Brown will be unemployed at Michigan before Jim Harbaugh is. Some truly head-scratching play calling including a QB designed run on 3rd & 8 down 28 points in the second quarter.

Someone suggested the ISU head coach to replace Jim which is laugh out loud funny. Michigan will hire nothing short of a sure thing if they get rid of Harbaugh. A friend in Detroit told me sports talk radio is saying Michigan will throw any money he wants at Urban Meyer not to even coach but just to help them find the right guy.

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claver2010 {l Wrote}:also has flown under the radar for me as we don't play them this year but what a f'ing trainwreck FSU is. destroyed by louisville, pitt, & nc state on consecutive weekends

And yet somehow blew the doors off of UNC. FSU lost its way when it became a national program. They got where they were under Bowden by recruiting the hell out of Florida. At some point, they seemed to get away from that and tried grabbing kids from around the country. Ohio State needs to do that because rust belt kids are slow. But, FSU should've just mined their well-known territory. They could be a top 10 team by consistently landing their 3rd Choice Florida prospects. Personally, I think they pulled the plug too soon on Willie Taggart. I'm not saying he was going to turn it around, I'm just saying that you don't have to fire the guy after only 2 years when you have no targeted replacement (other than the meh Mike Norvell... at least take Mark Stoops). FSU's roster should be composed of 90% Floridian kids (half of whom would not be accepted into The U (be it for academic or legal issues)).

I think Florida recruiting has changed with the directional FL schools having success along with FIU, FAU, etc. It's not like the old days where it was only UF and FSU dominating the parts of FL not Miami and it's suburbs.

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:Don Brown is my least favorite coach type. The "we're going to run our scheme regardless of opponent and then make no adjustments during the game on it" is a terrible way to coach.

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Michigan LB Coach Al Washington will accept a job with Michigan’s arch rival Ohio State.

While Jim Harbaugh is vacationing after a blowout bowl loss, Ohio State head coach Ryan Day just stole away one of Michigan’s best recruiters in his 1st day on the job.

Chess. Not checkers.

Will Harbaugh survive this year short of beating 0.0hio St? Don't know what his buyout is but assume it is a lot. For financial and PR (outside of the SEC) reasons it will be very difficult for schools to fire the head coach this year. They will probably need boosters to pay for the buyout if they want to get rid of him.
3rd down Donnie Brown is going to target Mass recruits no matter where he ends up and Mass has always sent kids to Mich (Laro, McMurtey, Collins... ) but Mich has never made Mass a recruiting priority they way they have with Brown.

Isn’t it just a handshake right now? I thought it was getting low and they were negotiating pre Covid. I think he could be out this year.

Michigan needs to recruit nationally if they want to keep up with tOSU. I’m sure Brown will keep recruiting MA, but I also wonder if he’ll retire after this. He’s pushing 70?

Harbaugh is not going anywhere. The job is his until he no longer wants it.

How is that possible? He is the 4th highest paid coach, 0-5 against their rival, 1-4 in bowl games, no Rose Bowls or BCS...

It’s possible when you consider (as amply proven by posters here) that Michigan fans are as idiotic as their kissing cousins at Ped State.

It would be us firing Flutie. If it gets to a point where they decide he needs to go, it will be him resigning for the greater good/him leaving for the NFL. He will not be fired.

I do not think Harbaugh is anywhere near as revered. However, the parallel would be us hiring Flores after he brought the Dolphins to the Super Bowl... or maybe a BOB-like situation (where there is a BC connection and success in college and pros). Nonetheless, I agree with you. They were so certain that Harbaugh was the perfect response to Urban that they won't let go of it regardless of the results. In their mind, it is just a matter of time for HCRD to fall on his face without Urban's recruits and Big Blue rises again under the Michigan Man.

That said, as posted in the "Other games" thread... "Harbaugh is still respected there based on his time as a player and success with the 49ers. I actually think you could see a lot of college coaches make the jump this year. The coordinator pool in the NFL is littered with retreads who are unlikely to get 2nd/3rd chances. Saban, Riley, Dabo, Franklin, Shaw, Harbaugh, HCRD, Urban... they all are better than what’s sitting around the coordinator booth." To that point, I see Jim Harbaugh being a possibility for the Jets. Joe Douglas spent 15 years with the Ravens and likely has some relationship with John Harbaugh (that could be a link to Jim).

I may end up being wrong about Harbaugh after Saturday's historic loss for Michigan (worst deficit at half time and home loss since like 1903) but still maintain that Don Brown will be unemployed at Michigan before Jim Harbaugh is. Some truly head-scratching play calling including a QB designed run on 3rd & 8 down 28 points in the second quarter.

Someone suggested the ISU head coach to replace Jim which is laugh out loud funny. Michigan will hire nothing short of a sure thing if they get rid of Harbaugh. A friend in Detroit told me sports talk radio is saying Michigan will throw any money he wants at Urban Meyer not to even coach but just to help them find the right guy.

Don Brown is my least favorite coach type. The "we're going to run our scheme regardless of opponent and then make no adjustments during the game on it" is a terrible way to coach.

StratEagle {l Wrote}:Haf poachers out of the mix for a bit. Hafley isn't leaving after one year.

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StratEagle {l Wrote}:Haf poachers out of the mix for a bit. Hafley isn't leaving after one year.

Why not? He left tOSU after one season. If a similarly massive bump comes up this off-season, he'll jump... just like any other coach would.

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StratEagle {l Wrote}:Haf poachers out of the mix for a bit. Hafley isn't leaving after one year.

Why not? He left tOSU after one season. If a similarly massive bump comes up this off-season, he'll jump... just like any other coach would.

Agree but a college that he would leave for (unless he and/or his wife just want out) would not offer the job to a 7-4 (best case) coach whose best win was against Pitt.

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StratEagle {l Wrote}:Haf poachers out of the mix for a bit. Hafley isn't leaving after one year.

Why not? He left tOSU after one season. If a similarly massive bump comes up this off-season, he'll jump... just like any other coach would.

Agree but a college that he would leave for (unless he and/or his wife just want out) would not offer the job to a 7-4 (best case) coach whose best win was against Pitt.

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StratEagle {l Wrote}:Haf poachers out of the mix for a bit. Hafley isn't leaving after one year.

Why not? He left tOSU after one season. If a similarly massive bump comes up this off-season, he'll jump... just like any other coach would.

Agree but a college that he would leave for (unless he and/or his wife just want out) would not offer the job to a 7-4 (best case) coach whose best win was against Pitt.

Kliff Kingsbury had 2 out of 6 seasons above .500 at TTU and still got poached by the Cardinals (now one of the most upward trending franchises in the NFL). Hafley brings a similar likable persona and general intelligence. Like with Kingsbury, the fear with having such a presentable and well-connected coach is that his stock rises regardless of BC's performance.

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StratEagle {l Wrote}:Haf poachers out of the mix for a bit. Hafley isn't leaving after one year.

Why not? He left tOSU after one season. If a similarly massive bump comes up this off-season, he'll jump... just like any other coach would.

BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:He will only leave after he beats Clemson. He's come close twice, he won't leave until it happens.

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BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:He will only leave after he beats Clemson. He's come close twice, he won't leave until it happens.

You all are crazy. He’d leave here for Penn St or Michigan tomorrow and I wouldn’t blame him.

Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:Of course a guy with a 5-4 record whose teams have imploded spectacularly in over half of the games he's coached would go to Michigan or Penn State. The question is, why is this even being discussed?

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StratEagle {l Wrote}:Haf poachers out of the mix for a bit. Hafley isn't leaving after one year.

Why not? He left tOSU after one season. If a similarly massive bump comes up this off-season, he'll jump... just like any other coach would.

Agree but a college that he would leave for (unless he and/or his wife just want out) would not offer the job to a 7-4 (best case) coach whose best win was against Pitt.

Kliff Kingsbury had 2 out of 6 seasons above .500 at TTU and still got poached by the Cardinals (now one of the most upward trending franchises in the NFL). Hafley brings a similar likable persona and general intelligence. Like with Kingsbury, the fear with having such a presentable and well-connected coach is that his stock rises regardless of BC's performance.

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Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:Of course a guy with a 5-4 record whose teams have imploded spectacularly in over half of the games he's coached would go to Michigan or Penn State. The question is, why is this even being discussed?

Those "implosions" were entirely due to inferior talent on the field. Anyone in the front office with a brain could recognize he is a good coach and a good candidate.

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Corporal Funishment {l Wrote}:Of course a guy with a 5-4 record whose teams have imploded spectacularly in over half of the games he's coached would go to Michigan or Penn State. The question is, why is this even being discussed?

Those "implosions" were entirely due to inferior talent on the field. Anyone in the front office with a brain could recognize he is a good coach and a good candidate.

What about the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties? How much talent does it take not to shove a guy 5 seconds after the whistle?

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StratEagle {l Wrote}:Haf poachers out of the mix for a bit. Hafley isn't leaving after one year.

Why not? He left tOSU after one season. If a similarly massive bump comes up this off-season, he'll jump... just like any other coach would.

Agree but a college that he would leave for (unless he and/or his wife just want out) would not offer the job to a 7-4 (best case) coach whose best win was against Pitt.

Kliff Kingsbury had 2 out of 6 seasons above .500 at TTU and still got poached by the Cardinals (now one of the most upward trending franchises in the NFL). Hafley brings a similar likable persona and general intelligence. Like with Kingsbury, the fear with having such a presentable and well-connected coach is that his stock rises regardless of BC's performance.

It is this. Utter nonsense that a coach would stay for "less pressure" when he has a chance to get a big job. Be it the NFL or a BabyRapist... Hafley is gone the day he's offered... just like anyone else in the profession. These guys don't enter the occupation hoping for a nice landing spot where they can raise their kids. You want to have people who other places want. But, to do so, you need to not be all triggered when they leave (or show interest). If things go well, Hafley won't be here in Year 4.

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:We are really slaying Strawmen today. Other than hansen being hansen, who is say that JF wouldn't jump at a NFL or baby rapists offer? My argument is that no AD from a baby rapists is going to offer him after this season.

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StratEagle {l Wrote}:Haf poachers out of the mix for a bit. Hafley isn't leaving after one year.

Why not? He left tOSU after one season. If a similarly massive bump comes up this off-season, he'll jump... just like any other coach would.

That was DC to HC, not the same. He's also got a pretty good gig here - everyone absolutely loves him and is rallying behind him, zero pressure, he seems to like the area, and he has potentially 3 more years of your boy Phil Jurkovec. Moving his family and young daughters back to back years in a pandemic just to go from a program that goes 7-5 every year to one that goes 8-4 sounds like a drag. NFL maybe a different story.

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DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:We are really slaying Strawmen today. Other than hansen being hansen, who is say that JF wouldn't jump at a NFL or baby rapists offer? My argument is that no AD from a baby rapists is going to offer him after this season.

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StratEagle {l Wrote}:Haf poachers out of the mix for a bit. Hafley isn't leaving after one year.

Why not? He left tOSU after one season. If a similarly massive bump comes up this off-season, he'll jump... just like any other coach would.

That was DC to HC, not the same. He's also got a pretty good gig here - everyone absolutely loves him and is rallying behind him, zero pressure, he seems to like the area, and he has potentially 3 more years of your boy Phil Jurkovec. Moving his family and young daughters back to back years in a pandemic just to go from a program that goes 7-5 every year to one that goes 8-4 sounds like a drag. NFL maybe a different story.

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StratEagle {l Wrote}:Haf poachers out of the mix for a bit. Hafley isn't leaving after one year.

Why not? He left tOSU after one season. If a similarly massive bump comes up this off-season, he'll jump... just like any other coach would.

Agree but a college that he would leave for (unless he and/or his wife just want out) would not offer the job to a 7-4 (best case) coach whose best win was against Pitt.

Kliff Kingsbury had 2 out of 6 seasons above .500 at TTU and still got poached by the Cardinals (now one of the most upward trending franchises in the NFL). Hafley brings a similar likable persona and general intelligence. Like with Kingsbury, the fear with having such a presentable and well-connected coach is that his stock rises regardless of BC's performance.

It is this. Utter nonsense that a coach would stay for "less pressure" when he has a chance to get a big job. Be it the NFL or a BabyRapist... Hafley is gone the day he's offered... just like anyone else in the profession. These guys don't enter the occupation hoping for a nice landing spot where they can raise their kids. You want to have people who other places want. But, to do so, you need to not be all triggered when they leave (or show interest). If things go well, Hafley won't be here in Year 4.

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:My only point is if he gets offered by Penn St., Michigan or the NFL he's gone.