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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby eagletx on Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:19 pm

A bit off topic, but I for one am happy that ND is not being gifted a playoff spot this year....it may still happen, but certainly playing in and winning the ACC championship game would have assured them a spot. Seems their one chance is vested in the outcome of the SEC championship game (assuming that Michigan and Cincinnati hold serve in their games which I expect).
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby hansen on Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:55 pm

Ficknell would be an obvious improvement but although Kelly can't win the big game, he's been remarkably consistent albeit for the 2016 season when South Bend CC went 4-8. not sure the grass is always greener on the other side.
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Postby claver2010 on Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:17 pm

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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby flyingelvii on Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:54 pm

hansen {l Wrote}:Ficknell would be an obvious improvement but although Kelly can't win the big game, he's been remarkably consistent albeit for the 2016 season when South Bend CC went 4-8. not sure the grass is always greener on the other side.

Luke Fickell has basically the same record as Kelly the last four years at an inferior school. That's a very poor use of "obvious".
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby HJS on Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:38 am

Sean McDonnell is retiring. He has spanned UNH from deep red state to deep blue and a whalepant favorite when suggesting replacement coaches.
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Postby innocentbystander on Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:38 pm

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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby innocentbystander on Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:45 pm

Notre Dame AD on replacing Kelly



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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby HJS on Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:35 pm

Congrats to Notre Dame for saving the recruiting class by promoting the defensive coordinator based on a couple current players lobbying Coach Brick.
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby hansen on Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:10 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:Congrats to Notre Dame for saving the recruiting class by promoting the defensive coordinator based on a couple current players lobbying Coach Brick.


This should end well.
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby HJS on Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:22 pm

hansen {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:Congrats to Notre Dame for saving the recruiting class by promoting the defensive coordinator based on a couple current players lobbying Coach Brick.


This should end well.

Thankfully, for those active participants in the Jurk Watch, Tommy Rees will be staying on at ND. Hip-hip-HOORAY!
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:58 am

hansen {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:Congrats to Notre Dame for saving the recruiting class by promoting the defensive coordinator based on a couple current players lobbying Coach Brick.


This should end well.


Yes hansen, BC fans know all too well what happens when you promote defensive coordinators via the Peter Principle. Look how well it ended for us?
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby TontoKowalski on Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:42 am

HJS {l Wrote}:Congrats to Notre Dame for saving the recruiting class by promoting the defensive coordinator based on a couple current players lobbying Coach Brick.


I heard Gruden got in an actual fistfight with Urban Meyer, and that when he loaded his knockout strike with the bronzed head of Knute Rockne, Gruden's elbow broke Bill Belichick's nose. The blood spray from Belichick's nose blinded Luke Fickell, who fell down a flight of steps. Luckily, Ty Willingham's resume had just arrived at the printer and they staunched the blood flow from Bill's nose, but the damage had been done: A Notruh Dame coach can't shake down the echoes with a nosebleed.

Anyway, ND should have been a bit more thoughtful about scheduling all the candidates who rushed their doors when Kelly left, because the donnybrook meant Freeman was the last man standing and thus hired.
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby HJS on Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:57 am

Sounds like Brian Kelly has a lot in common with our own head coach.
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:00 am

i'm guessing this is the last figurehead coach before they can bring in the two headed monster that is brady quinn and jimmy clausen

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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby claver2010 on Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:14 pm

daz fired, his buyout dropped $2m to $3m today
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Postby eagle33 on Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:15 pm

i'll never understand why that meathead was allowed to linger here for 7 years.
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:04 pm

So where does Daz land? He is apparently a good OL coach.

As for ND, two things are interesting. (1) All of the marketable coaches decided to stay, despite Kelly offering them money that was off the charts to jump ship. I am most surprised by Ballis, the S&C coach. He could go anywhere if he wanted to to begin with, and Kelly was apparently offering him $300K more than he was making at ND. Rees is less surprising. While he was apparently going to be made the 2nd highest paid OC in the country, he is an ND alum, from Chicago, and only 29 years old. He probably expects that Kelly will get his ass kicked in the SEC and wants to get out from under his "genius" mentor.

The only guy going with Kelly, at least according to the smoke signals in South Bend, is Jeff Quinn. Quinn has been with Kelly at every stop he had made. He is actually a good recruiter, but his teaching abilities apparently leave a lot to be desired. Brian Polian, the woeful special teams coach (but excellent recruiter) is apparently taking his talents to Easton, PA to become the head coach at Lafayette. Del Alexander, the WR coach, who is a woeful recruiter but apparently a good teacher is said to be joining Lincoln Riley's staff as the TE coach at USC (Alexander is an alum).

In terms of whether elevating Freeman is a good thing or not remains to be seen. He is universally considered to be one of the three best recruiters in college football. A lot of programs were willing to throw a lot of money at him the last two years because of that prowess. After a rocky first couple of games against FSU and Toledo, his defense settled down and has played well. But I don't think the Xs and Os matter tremendously if he is as good a recruiter as advertised. In a world where Gene Chizik, Les Miles, Mack Brown and Ed Ogeron have all won national championships over the last 10-15 years, it is clear that talent wins out. Saban may be great at Xs and Os, but it has been his relentless recruiting that has driven his success at LSU and Alabama.
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby eepstein0 on Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:10 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:So where does Daz land? He is apparently a good OL coach.

As for ND, two things are interesting. (1) All of the marketable coaches decided to stay, despite Kelly offering them money that was off the charts to jump ship. I am most surprised by Ballis, the S&C coach. He could go anywhere if he wanted to to begin with, and Kelly was apparently offering him $300K more than he was making at ND. Rees is less surprising. While he was apparently going to be made the 2nd highest paid OC in the country, he is an ND alum, from Chicago, and only 29 years old. He probably expects that Kelly will get his ass kicked in the SEC and wants to get out from under his "genius" mentor.

The only guy going with Kelly, at least according to the smoke signals in South Bend, is Jeff Quinn. Quinn has been with Kelly at every stop he had made. He is actually a good recruiter, but his teaching abilities apparently leave a lot to be desired. Brian Polian, the woeful special teams coach (but excellent recruiter) is apparently taking his talents to Easton, PA to become the head coach at Lafayette. Del Alexander, the WR coach, who is a woeful recruiter but apparently a good teacher is said to be joining Lincoln Riley's staff as the TE coach at USC (Alexander is an alum).

In terms of whether elevating Freeman is a good thing or not remains to be seen. He is universally considered to be one of the three best recruiters in college football. A lot of programs were willing to throw a lot of money at him the last two years because of that prowess. After a rocky first couple of games against FSU and Toledo, his defense settled down and has played well. But I don't think the Xs and Os matter tremendously if he is as good a recruiter as advertised. In a world where Gene Chizik, Les Miles, Mack Brown and Ed Ogeron have all won national championships over the last 10-15 years, it is clear that talent wins out. Saban may be great at Xs and Os, but it has been his relentless recruiting that has driven his success at LSU and Alabama.


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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby HJS on Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:40 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:
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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Lol Norvell ices his kicker and then doesn't have the balls to go for 4th and 4.

Norvell is a terrible coach. I look at some of these esteemed programs and wonder how in the world they’ve wound up with their head coach. Kinda like Jim McElwain at Florida or anyone Tennessee has hired since Fulmer. The Noles paid Oregon a king’s ransom to steal Taggart from Oregon. And then, paid much more to almost immediately thereafter fire Taggart… all so they can land Norvell? The same coach last night who opted to go for it in the 3rd Quarter on 4th and 2 with a terribly conceived INT on there own 30 (which was preceded by 3 straight wildcats). This led to a two play ND TD that seemingly put the game out of reach (before the failed comeback).


Norvell wasn't good, but Marcus Freeman was far and away the worst coach for either team. Up 18, savaging Florida State's overmatched OL (who best player was the 8th or 9th best OL at Notre Dame before he did the graduate transfer thing) utilizing ND's biggest strength--an extremely deep and talented defensive line--and move to a three man front with five linebackers, even though he only has three good linebackers--so that a QB who was panicking and making bad throws (resulting in 3 INTs) had time to collect himself and gain confidence, and also left ND's defense on the field longer in the swamp heat of Tallahassee with predictable results. I get that Florida State had two lightning strike TDs from distance against the more attacking five man front, but it also resulted in 3 turnovers and it was far more likely that given time FSU could grind out three good drives with 20 minutes left in the game, then FSU could catch lightning in a bottle three more times in that amount of time. The FSU drives also gave an FSU defense that looked completely gassed after the score that put ND up 18 time to rest on the bench.

Freeman has been considered a wunderkind in the college football world for the last two years. He is an incredibly talented recruiter. But the x and o coaching yesterday was horrendous, and as much as I would like to toss Kelly under the bus, he has never had much to do with the defense, even before he was persuaded to take a more CEO-focused approach to coaching. This game should have looked like last year's ND-FSU game--mid to high 40s for Notre Dame, mid 20s for Florida State, but for Freeman not being nearly as good at the xs and os as Clark Lea.

Gotta wonder if Clark Lea has second thoughts about leaving for his alma mater.
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:47 pm

it would be so fucking awesome if ts slaughter winds up in baton rouge. i know, i know, iwnh... but how fucking hilarious would that be. i feel fairly confident one of them would not make it out alive

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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby ATLeagle on Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:49 pm

Daz will probably be the next tight ends coach in Jax.
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Postby BCMurt09 on Thu Dec 02, 2021 1:54 pm

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:Daz will probably be the next tight ends coach in Jax.


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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby ATLeagle on Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:08 pm

BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:Daz will probably be the next tight ends coach in Jax.


I heard U Dub called him



I would say he could transition into that mentor/old sage on staffs but he doesn't know how to use timeouts.
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:12 pm

claver2010 {l Wrote}:daz fired, his buyout dropped $2m to $3m today


So he had a $5mil buy out and he agreed to drop it to $3mil? Well obviously, he has something else lined up. Or else, why agree to drop it?
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:18 pm

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:
claver2010 {l Wrote}:daz fired, his buyout dropped $2m to $3m today


So he had a $5mil buy out and he agreed to drop it to $3mil? Well obviously, he has something else lined up. Or else, why agree to drop it?

you are... ummm.... not smart
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Re: Coaching Carousel/Candidates Mega Thread

Postby innocentbystander on Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:22 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
innocentbystander {l Wrote}:
claver2010 {l Wrote}:daz fired, his buyout dropped $2m to $3m today


So he had a $5mil buy out and he agreed to drop it to $3mil? Well obviously, he has something else lined up. Or else, why agree to drop it?

you are... ummm.... not smart


Maybe not.

What am I missing? What is the logic? Is there something in his contract that automatically drops the buy out from $5 mil to $3 mil under some set of circumstances? I am just taking claver at his word. I don't really care either way tre.
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Postby vegasEagle on Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:56 pm

Daz has a $3,000,000 direct deposit on the way
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Postby ATLeagle on Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:59 pm

VT just made a left field, c-list hire. Hopefully it means some easy Ws for us.
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Postby DomingoOrtiz on Thu Dec 02, 2021 4:18 pm

vegasEagle {l Wrote}:Daz has a $3,000,000 direct deposit on the way


Does the person at CSU that "negotiated" this contract still have a job there (or anywhere)?
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