Rename Yawkey Way (Herald)

[BCSUPERFAN22]

So the Boston Herald just posted some story about John Henry wanting to rename Yawkey Way because he was apparently a racist.

Some idiot who works for CSN New England, Kwani Lewis (also a BC alum) just tweeted "Your move @BostonCollege". I really hope BC doesn't get pulled into this asinine BS

https://twitter.com/bostonherald/status/898270893683740672

[BCHerbert]

You're

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

doug flutie threw his most famousest of passes to a white guy. i guess his statue is as good as gone too

[bignick33]

baseball board

[HJS]

Your move Dana Farber.
http://www.dana-farber.org/About-Us/Yawkey-Center.aspx

Your move Swedish Academy for continuing to honor the Father of Modern Warfare who became the wealthiest arms dealer of his time.

Your move Islam for honoring a slave owner who practiced polygamy and pedaphilia.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

lock up your linkedin accounts... nickedin is back with a bid gay fruit beer and a baseball board up his ass

[Eaglekeeper]

Changing the name of a public street is very different than changing the name of a building whose name bears the donors name. I don't think BC can remove Yawkey's name without returning the donation. I wonder how much money is left in the Yawkey Foundation. John Harrington is still running the foundation, but I have not heard that BC has received any money lately. The foundation has given millions to support inner city kids.

[claver2010]

Kwani Lewis (also a BC alum) just tweeted "Your move @BostonCollege". I really hope BC doesn't get pulled into this asinine BS

https://twitter.com/bostonherald/status/898270893683740672

think she used to write for nagspuckruption

I'm sure there will be a die in of some sort in front of yawkey when the nerds get back to school

[DomingoOrtiz]

Changing the name of a public street is very different than changing the name of a building whose name bears the donors name. I don't think BC can remove Yawkey's name without returning the donation.

I'm not a lawyer but. (1) only if the naming of the building was a condition of the gift; (b) a foundation cannot demand a benefit in exchange for a donation.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

Changing the name of a public street is very different than changing the name of a building whose name bears the donors name. I don't think BC can remove Yawkey's name without returning the donation.

I'm not a lawyer but. (1) only if the naming of the building was a condition of the gift; (b) a foundation cannot demand a benefit in exchange for a donation.

any donation can either be general or can have caveats/restrictions. it's part of not-for-profit rules and regulations

[DomingoOrtiz]

Didn't the gift come from the Yawkey Foundation II? This foundation was established in 1982 by Jean Yawkey.

[Corporal Funishment]

Just wait until the nerds figure out St Ignatius never supported transgender bathrooms

[HJS]

In a social media world where thoughts are as deep as 140 characters, it is not at all surprising that knee-jerk reaction dominates. Thoughtful analysis has been sacrificed at the alter of goldfish-like attention spans. It is impossible to defend white supremacists. But, it is possible to defend their right to speak without facing violence. It is impossible to defend slavery, but it is possible to memorialize the lives lost in the Civil War. And, it is possible to memorialize a family's altruistic ventures even if the patriarch held at one point views that would be considered racist in today's standard.**

Context (something completely lost on millennials) is what is needed to understand the differences between Malcolm Jenkins-Chris Long and Jackie Robinson-Pee Wee Reese.

At the end of the day, this us revisiting the civil unrest of the 60s again. I won't be surprised to see a series of assassinations to follow. There is a line in the Matrix... "as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery." An off-shoot of this idea is... as a society, Americans define their reality through suffering and misery of their enemy. Throughout our history, we have built up foes (be it real or imagined) for which we can compare ourselves. In a post-Soviet reality, America has struggled coming up with another global rival. We attempted to make it Al Qaeda and ISIS, but that was too amorphous and ultimately too small to be taken seriously. More recently, the Dems have tried to make it Russia again and Trump has tried to make it Islam. Both are ill-fitting. China is likely to be the one who will rise as our global nemesis. However, until then, our pugnacious nature has turned itself inward. Instead of irrationally arming Osama Bin Laden so the Soviets can't take Afghanistan, we irrationally destroy communities by pitting one group of citizens against another because the second doesn't show the same level of outrage over every event happening on their smartphone screen.


"Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization."


** I don't know anything about Tom Yawkey. I understand he has never spoken on black players in MLB (although other owners at the time were vocal both for and against). I also understand that there are folks that believe Ted Williams was the real influencer as to the Sawks slow integration (as upper management was continuously the first team to identify and workout players like Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron and Willie Mays). Further, as much as John Henry would like to not acknowledge, Boston was not a welcoming city for segregation (a stigma that holds to this day (see, Adam Jones)). It is entirely possible that Yawkey waited for a time when Bostonians would accept a black player. This would certainly not be a heroic stance, but given the treatment of Jackie Robinson during his tryout or Bill Russell's experiences with Boston fans (Bill Russell only predated Pumpsie Green by a year) I'm not sure it is one that should necessarily brand his legacy as intolerant.

[DuchesneEast]

You're

Fewer.

Best grammar Nazi ever.

[twballgame9]

Yawkey was pretty much known to be overtly racist.

[twballgame9]

Oh, and your silly speculation about Ted Williams is absolutely incorrect.

[DuchesneEast]

Yawkey was pretty much known to be overtly racist.

He was an old white guy from Boston, are we surprised.

[twballgame9]

Yawkey was pretty much known to be overtly racist.

He was an old white guy from Boston, are we surprised.

Yawkey was also pretty much known to have been from Detroit.

[flyingelvii]

I love when HJS prefaces something by saying he doesn't know a lot about a subject and then talks about that subject for several lines as if he's an expert.

[EagleDave]

In a social media world where thoughts are as deep as 140 characters, it is not at all surprising that knee-jerk reaction dominates. Thoughtful analysis has been sacrificed at the alter of goldfish-like attention spans. It is impossible to defend white supremacists. But, it is possible to defend their right to speak without facing violence. It is impossible to defend slavery, but it is possible to memorialize the lives lost in the Civil War. And, it is possible to memorialize a family's altruistic ventures even if the patriarch held at one point views that would be considered racist in today's standard.**

Context (something completely lost on millennials) is what is needed to understand the differences between Malcolm Jenkins-Chris Long and Jackie Robinson-Pee Wee Reese.

At the end of the day, this us revisiting the civil unrest of the 60s again. I won't be surprised to see a series of assassinations to follow. There is a line in the Matrix... "as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery." An off-shoot of this idea is... as a society, Americans define their reality through suffering and misery of their enemy. Throughout our history, we have built up foes (be it real or imagined) for which we can compare ourselves. In a post-Soviet reality, America has struggled coming up with another global rival. We attempted to make it Al Qaeda and ISIS, but that was too amorphous and ultimately too small to be taken seriously. More recently, the Dems have tried to make it Russia again and Trump has tried to make it Islam. Both are ill-fitting. China is likely to be the one who will rise as our global nemesis. However, until then, our pugnacious nature has turned itself inward. Instead of irrationally arming Osama Bin Laden so the Soviets can't take Afghanistan, we irrationally destroy communities by pitting one group of citizens against another because the second doesn't show the same level of outrage over every event happening on their smartphone screen.


"Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this: the peak of your civilization."


** I don't know anything about Tom Yawkey. I understand he has never spoken on black players in MLB (although other owners at the time were vocal both for and against). I also understand that there are folks that believe Ted Williams was the real influencer as to the Sawks slow integration (as upper management was continuously the first team to identify and workout players like Jackie Robinson, Hank Aaron and Willie Mays). Further, as much as John Henry would like to not acknowledge, Boston was not a welcoming city for segregation (a stigma that holds to this day (see, Adam Jones)). It is entirely possible that Yawkey waited for a time when Bostonians would accept a black player. This would certainly not be a heroic stance, but given the treatment of Jackie Robinson during his tryout or Bill Russell's experiences with Boston fans (Bill Russell only predated Pumpsie Green by a year) I'm not sure it is one that should necessarily brand his legacy as intolerant.

I can't be the only one who read HJS' spiel in Hugo Weaving's Agent Smith voice.

[angrychicken]

Let me just say that I don't care about this. It's 3:22 am and I'm pooping. Fin.

[BCdee]

I just think this whole thing is stupid. History is history. Some is good, some is bad. Don't change it or people will never learn from the past.
What's next, burning all the history books??
People are out. of. control.
(end rant)

[BCdee]

PS - For all those in Boston today, be careful...lots of protests today.