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by **Eaglekeeper** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:12 am

WR's slowed up a slight bit on a couple of those deep throws by Brady. They did better at catching the under thrown balls. They won a SB without Gronk and with another missed XP!

by **HJS** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:30 am

Eaglekeeper {l Wrote}:WR's slowed up a slight bit on a couple of those deep throws by Brady.

That couldn't have anything to do with Hogan, Edelman and Amendola being eppy specials.

by **HJS** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:06 pm

On the infamous hold negating a 16 yard gain back into FG range... there was a missed facemask call on the catch. If they called what I thought live was pretty obvious call, what would have been the outcome?

by **RegalBCeagle** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:12 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:On the infamous hold negating a 16 yard gain back into FG range... there was a missed facemask call on the catch. If they called what I thought live was pretty obvious call, what would have been the outcome?

Officials did a great job of not impacting the game. If you're referring to the play I think you are, I'm pretty sure both players had each other's face masks for a brief time.

Another great Pats SB. Falcons choked, and I actually agree with Angry Dick that Ryan has never truly won a big game. I'm pretty sure Atlantans don't really care considering they're some of the biggest bandwagoners out there.

by **HJS** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:39 pm

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:I actually agree with Angry Dick that Ryan has never truly won a big game.

I'd agree with you if you want to forget the big games he actually won like Clemson and VTech... unless of course your definition of a "big game" is only the Super Bowl.

by **TobaccoRoadEagle** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:45 pm

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:On the infamous hold negating a 16 yard gain back into FG range... there was a missed facemask call on the catch. If they called what I thought live was pretty obvious call, what would have been the outcome?

Officials did a great job of not impacting the game. If you're referring to the play I think you are, I'm pretty sure both players had each other's face masks for a brief time.

this - it was so obvious joe buck even commented on it while his head was way WAAAAAYYYY up his own ass

by **commavegarage** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:53 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:On the infamous hold negating a 16 yard gain back into FG range... there was a missed facemask call on the catch. If they called what I thought live was pretty obvious call, what would have been the outcome?

Officials did a great job of not impacting the game. If you're referring to the play I think you are, I'm pretty sure both players had each other's face masks for a brief time.

this - it was so obvious joe buck even commented on it while his head was way WAAAAAYYYY up his own ass

that still wouldve been a redo no?

by **TobaccoRoadEagle** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:55 pm

commavegarage {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:On the infamous hold negating a 16 yard gain back into FG range... there was a missed facemask call on the catch. If they called what I thought live was pretty obvious call, what would have been the outcome?

Officials did a great job of not impacting the game. If you're referring to the play I think you are, I'm pretty sure both players had each other's face masks for a brief time.

this - it was so obvious joe buck even commented on it while his head was way WAAAAAYYYY up his own ass

that still wouldve been a redo no?

or is it that the facemasks offset but the holding stands? i'm not fully clear on 3 penalty plays and how priorities are followed

by **HJS** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:14 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
commavegarage {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:On the infamous hold negating a 16 yard gain back into FG range... there was a missed facemask call on the catch. If they called what I thought live was pretty obvious call, what would have been the outcome?

Officials did a great job of not impacting the game. If you're referring to the play I think you are, I'm pretty sure both players had each other's face masks for a brief time.

this - it was so obvious joe buck even commented on it while his head was way WAAAAAYYYY up his own ass

that still wouldve been a redo no?

or is it that the facemasks offset but the holding stands? i'm not fully clear on 3 penalty plays and how priorities are followed

I believe it is a replayed down. That said... on the tackle... Sanu had grabbed the facemask with a stiff arm, they rarely call that (as a result I think offensive players have been more and more egregious). However, Sanu was essentially tackled by the facemask and had all the hallmarks that would normally get the call. Sanu is an ass.... so, that more than anything may have factored into the noncall.

by **twballgame9** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:55 pm

It was definitely a facemask, and the down would be replayed. That said, I didn't see it live, because Ryan accomplished the rare double double of grabbing the mask on both sides of the helmet, so his head didn't jerk. Not surprised the ref missed it, wasn't as obvious as the hold.

by **twballgame9** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:01 pm

TRE, no ATL wins gear, but there is this

by **RegalBCeagle** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:12 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:I actually agree with Angry Dick that Ryan has never truly won a big game.

I'd agree with you if you want to forget the big games he actually won like Clemson and VTech... unless of course your definition of a "big game" is only the Super Bowl.

Regular season wins against mediocre teams qualify as big? Sure, they were great games and nice wins for Ryan and BC, but at the end of the day they weren't championship games or BCS bowls. I guess an NFC Championship is nice....

by **HJS** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:33 pm

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:I actually agree with Angry Dick that Ryan has never truly won a big game.

I'd agree with you if you want to forget the big games he actually won like Clemson and VTech... unless of course your definition of a "big game" is only the Super Bowl.

Regular season wins against mediocre teams qualify as big? Sure, they were great games and nice wins for Ryan and BC, but at the end of the day they weren't championship games or BCS bowls. I guess an NFC Championship is nice....

I would rank a conference Championship game ahead of a National Championship... and far, far, far ahead of a BCS Bowl. Again... it sounds like the only "big game" a QB can get credit for winning is the Super Bowl. That's fine... there are plenty of first-time-long-time types who would agree with you. I happen to think that having such a binary decision tree ignores the other aspects of what is supposed to be a team sport.

by **gallopingghost** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:09 pm

People are focused on poor Atlanta play calling, but don't forget the poor clock management. Atlanta got the ball back with almost a minute left in the 4th quarter, plenty of time for a final drive considering that they have a kicker who made a 59 yard field goal during the season. Atlanta had burned all three of their timeouts. How does that happen? Notwithstanding the Edelman catch challenge, using the other two was just stupid.

by **DomingoOrtiz** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:20 pm

gallopingghost {l Wrote}:People are focused on poor Atlanta play calling, but don't forget the poor clock management. Atlanta got the ball back with almost a minute left in the 4th quarter, plenty of time for a final drive considering that they have a kicker who made a 59 yard field goal during the season. Atlanta had burned all three of their timeouts. How does that happen? Notwithstanding the Edelman catch challenge, using the other two was just stupid.

Wasn't one for an injured player inside of two minutes?

by **TobaccoRoadEagle** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:29 pm

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:
gallopingghost {l Wrote}:People are focused on poor Atlanta play calling, but don't forget the poor clock management. Atlanta got the ball back with almost a minute left in the 4th quarter, plenty of time for a final drive considering that they have a kicker who made a 59 yard field goal during the season. Atlanta had burned all three of their timeouts. How does that happen? Notwithstanding the Edelman catch challenge, using the other two was just stupid.

Wasn't one for an injured player inside of two minutes?

and i think the other was because the mic/speaker in matt's helmet wasn't working

by **MilitantEagle** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:31 pm

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:
gallopingghost {l Wrote}:People are focused on poor Atlanta play calling, but don't forget the poor clock management. Atlanta got the ball back with almost a minute left in the 4th quarter, plenty of time for a final drive considering that they have a kicker who made a 59 yard field goal during the season. Atlanta had burned all three of their timeouts. How does that happen? Notwithstanding the Edelman catch challenge, using the other two was just stupid.

Wasn't one for an injured player inside of two minutes?

Also, Matt Ryan had headset issues and they had to burn a timeout. Another Patriots sabotage.

by **HJS** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:39 pm

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:
gallopingghost {l Wrote}:People are focused on poor Atlanta play calling, but don't forget the poor clock management. Atlanta got the ball back with almost a minute left in the 4th quarter, plenty of time for a final drive considering that they have a kicker who made a 59 yard field goal during the season. Atlanta had burned all three of their timeouts. How does that happen? Notwithstanding the Edelman catch challenge, using the other two was just stupid.

Wasn't one for an injured player inside of two minutes?

Edelman challenge was their final timeout. First Timeout was on the defensive end in the 3rd quarter (I believe the drive resulted in the first TD of the 2nd half). The second timeout came at the end of the 3rd Quarter... it seemed it may have been related to Matt Ryan's helmet stopped working. He came over and switched helmets immediately after the TO was called.

The playcalling is questioned becayse Bryant has kicked a 59-yarder and most thought that they should've handed it off once they had the chance for a 39-yarder. In fairness, ATL would've been blamed for "settling for a FG" if Bryant missed it. I believe Coleman and Schraeder were both out of the game with injuries... that could've played a roll in the playcalling.

by **twballgame9** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:13 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:
gallopingghost {l Wrote}:People are focused on poor Atlanta play calling, but don't forget the poor clock management. Atlanta got the ball back with almost a minute left in the 4th quarter, plenty of time for a final drive considering that they have a kicker who made a 59 yard field goal during the season. Atlanta had burned all three of their timeouts. How does that happen? Notwithstanding the Edelman catch challenge, using the other two was just stupid.

Wasn't one for an injured player inside of two minutes?

Edelman challenge was their final timeout. First Timeout was on the defensive end in the 3rd quarter (I believe the drive resulted in the first TD of the 2nd half). The second timeout came at the end of the 3rd Quarter... it seemed it may have been related to Matt Ryan's helmet stopped working. He came over and switched helmets immediately after the TO was called.

The playcalling is questioned becayse Bryant has kicked a 59-yarder and most thought that they should've handed it off once they had the chance for a 39-yarder. In fairness, ATL would've been blamed for "settling for a FG" if Bryant missed it. I believe Coleman and Schraeder were both out of the game with injuries... that could've played a roll in the playcalling.

A TD v. a FG at that point in the game is irrelevant to win expectancy. You play to score a TD, but with the lowest risk possible. Nothing you can do about holding, but the playcall on the Flowers sack was egregious.

by **RegalBCeagle** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:56 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:I actually agree with Angry Dick that Ryan has never truly won a big game.

I'd agree with you if you want to forget the big games he actually won like Clemson and VTech... unless of course your definition of a "big game" is only the Super Bowl.

Regular season wins against mediocre teams qualify as big? Sure, they were great games and nice wins for Ryan and BC, but at the end of the day they weren't championship games or BCS bowls. I guess an NFC Championship is nice....

I would rank a conference Championship game ahead of a National Championship... and far, far, far ahead of a BCS Bowl. Again... it sounds like the only "big game" a QB can get credit for winning is the Super Bowl. That's fine... there are plenty of first-time-long-time types who would agree with you. I happen to think that having such a binary decision tree ignores the other aspects of what is supposed to be a team sport.

NFC Championship is pretty nice, but when you play the skeletal remains of a team (GB) that inexplicably knocked off the team (Dallas) that likely would have beaten the Falcons, then it's not all that impressive. Kind of like the Pats beating the Texans and the Steelers on their path to the SB. Not exactly big wins.

I would love to see him win one. That team is young, the defense should only get better, and the offense has the best and most weapons in the NFL. With that said, I'd likely take 4 or 5 other QBs in the league over Ryan, but would take his offensive weapons over those of any other team's.

by **BostonCollege1** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:26 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
commavegarage {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:On the infamous hold negating a 16 yard gain back into FG range... there was a missed facemask call on the catch. If they called what I thought live was pretty obvious call, what would have been the outcome?

Officials did a great job of not impacting the game. If you're referring to the play I think you are, I'm pretty sure both players had each other's face masks for a brief time.

this - it was so obvious joe buck even commented on it while his head was way WAAAAAYYYY up his own ass

that still wouldve been a redo no?

or is it that the facemasks offset but the holding stands? i'm not fully clear on 3 penalty plays and how priorities are followed

I believe it is a replayed down. That said... on the tackle... Sanu had grabbed the facemask with a stiff arm, they rarely call that (as a result I think offensive players have been more and more egregious). However, Sanu was essentially tackled by the facemask and had all the hallmarks that would normally get the call. Sanu is an ass.... so, that more than anything may have factored into the noncall.

Sand pulled Ryan's helmet clean off...

by **BCMurt09** on Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:16 pm

I expect the Falcons to be back in another 1-2 years. In fact the 2019 Super Bowl is slated for Atlanta. That would be pretty amazing for them.

From what I have read, it sounds like Shanahan didn't merely institute an offensive system that complimented Matts talents, but helped grow, almost transform, the way he sees the game. I don't think that will go away. And don't anticipate the regression to the extent some do. I don't expect another MVP season from Matt Ryan next year, but it sounds like he has turned a corner professionally. The pieces are there for Atlanta. Against any other team they'd be Super Bowl champions right now and by rights probably should be anyway. Matt exists in that tier somewhere between the top WBs in the league and the Cousins/Daltons/Osweilers of the world.

I will also thank Patriots Nation with sparing us any Billy Sherman or Atlanta Burning memes.

by **DavidGordonsFoot** on Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:11 pm

jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:That was the best Super Bowl ever. Brady Just cemented his status as best all time

It's not the "best game ever" when one side chokes.

by **DomingoOrtiz** on Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:32 pm

DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:That was the best Super Bowl ever. Brady Just cemented his status as best all time

It's not the "best game ever" when one side chokes.

It was the biggest comeback and 1st OT Super Bowl. Which was better: Giants v Bills; GB v Denver; Pats v Rams; Pats v Giants (the 1st)?

by **DavidGordonsFoot** on Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:49 pm

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:
DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:That was the best Super Bowl ever. Brady Just cemented his status as best all time

It's not the "best game ever" when one side chokes.

It was the biggest comeback and 1st OT Super Bowl. Which was better: Giants v Bills; GB v Denver; Pats v Rams; Pats v Giants (the 1st)?

Pats v Rams easily

by **BCMurt09** on Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:50 pm

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:
DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:That was the best Super Bowl ever. Brady Just cemented his status as best all time

It's not the "best game ever" when one side chokes.

It was the biggest comeback and 1st OT Super Bowl. Which was better: Giants v Bills; GB v Denver; Pats v Rams; Pats v Giants (the 1st)?

Every championship game for the past year has been called "Greatest (insert game/sports series here) Ever" as soon as the final buzzer sounds.

by **twballgame9** on Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:02 pm

DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:
jhiggi02 {l Wrote}:That was the best Super Bowl ever. Brady Just cemented his status as best all time

It's not the "best game ever" when one side chokes.

Everything had to go perfect for the Pats and it did. But other than some minor clock management and play calling mistakes, that wasn't really a choke. They ran out of gas and hadn't put up enough points to stop the Pats if that did everything perfect for 16 minutes. Which they did.

This game was better than Pats Rams. Maybe Rams Titans or Pats Seahawks.

by **TobaccoRoadEagle** on Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:26 pm

giants - pats 18-*

by **twballgame9** on Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:56 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:giants - pats 18-*

Many of the Pats SBs have been snooze fests for a while only to be exciting at some point thereafter. The CAR-NE Super Bowl was like 20 minutes of nothing followed by 40 minutes of ridiculousness.

by **MilitantEagle** on Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:57 pm

I still think Pats-Seahawks tops the list, at least for the Pats Super Bowls. The Butler play was the best ever in Boston sports history.

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