Patience...patience....patience

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

sarge also said flutie looked good at qb in the spring last year so... there's that.

maybe he evaluated flutie's skills from a natick curb at 1:30 in the morning

[angrychicken]

sarge also said flutie looked good at qb in the spring last year so... there's that.

maybe he evaluated flutie's skills from a natick curb at 1:30 in the morning

THERE WAS NO CURB!!!

#googlemaps

[eagle9903]

Can't see how anybody could complain about bringing in Towles.

I'm not complaining that Sarge brought in Towles. I'm complaining that Sarge has failed to groom a QB who is ready to take the ball in Dublin in 3+ years on the job.

Sarge is insuring his job security by playing the odds, it's fine as long as Wade doesn't transfer. The link between Sarge's own self preservation and the avoidance of re-Spazification is my favorite thing about Sarge.

[ckoub01]

Can't see how anybody could complain about bringing in Towles.

I'm not complaining that Sarge brought in Towles. I'm complaining that Sarge has failed to groom a QB who is ready to take the ball in Dublin in 3+ years on the job.

Sarge is insuring his job security by playing the odds, it's fine as long as Wade doesn't transfer. The link between Sarge's own self preservation and the avoidance of re-Spazification is my favorite thing about Sarge.

If Wade transfers because of a Towles-led 7 win campaign to the St. Petersburg Bowl, it'll be the worst possible scenario. Sarge saves his skin + promotes the progress being made and BC will remain stuck for another cycle of underperforming underclassmen QB or 5th year transfer for 2017.

[dtwalrus]

Can't see how anybody could complain about bringing in Towles.

I'm not complaining that Sarge brought in Towles. I'm complaining that Sarge has failed to groom a QB who is ready to take the ball in Dublin in 3+ years on the job.

Translations:
1). "I blame Daz because BC didn't have one upperclassmen QB on the roster last year due to Spaz not recruiting one in his last two years."
2) "I blame Daz because his first QB recruit he brought in in 2014 was injured for the year and thus not able to be groomed in 2015."
3) "I blame Daz for not being able to recruit at QB in 2015 who would be ready to step in and only require a few months of grooming before starting in the ACC."

Either way, this is unfair.

With that said, if we start Towles this year and next year the QB situation is still a disaster, then and only then will you have a case for failure to groom. Because then we're talking Wade, Smith and Brown -- all decent recruits with some experience -- being unprepared. That would unquestionably be a failure to groom.

[twballgame9]

Can't see how anybody could complain about bringing in Towles.

I'm not complaining that Sarge brought in Towles. I'm complaining that Sarge has failed to groom a QB who is ready to take the ball in Dublin in 3+ years on the job.

Translations:
1). "I blame Daz because BC didn't have one upperclassmen QB on the roster last year due to Spaz not recruiting one in his last two years."
2) "I blame Daz because his first QB recruit he brought in in 2014 was injured for the year and thus not able to be groomed in 2015."
3) "I blame Daz for not being able to recruit at QB in 2015 who would be ready to step in and only require a few months of grooming before starting in the ACC."

Either way, this is unfair.

With that said, if we start Towles this year and next year the QB situation is still a disaster, then and only then will you have a case for failure to groom. Because then we're talking Wade, Smith and Brown -- all decent recruits with some experience -- being unprepared. That would unquestionably be a failure to groom.

Smith is a WR

[dtwalrus]

Can't see how anybody could complain about bringing in Towles.

I'm not complaining that Sarge brought in Towles. I'm complaining that Sarge has failed to groom a QB who is ready to take the ball in Dublin in 3+ years on the job.

Sarge is insuring his job security by playing the odds, it's fine as long as Wade doesn't transfer. The link between Sarge's own self preservation and the avoidance of re-Spazification is my favorite thing about Sarge.

If Wade transfers because of a Towles-led 7 win campaign to the St. Petersburg Bowl, it'll be the worst possible scenario. Sarge saves his skin + promotes the progress being made and BC will remain stuck for another cycle of underperforming underclassmen QB or 5th year transfer for 2017.

Wade will be a redshirt sophomore this year. So even if he's the backup he'll still have to years of eligibility to be the starter. Incentive not to transfer.

Also, despite some fan discontent, by all accounts the players like Daz and like playing for him. With Spaz you expected every under-utilized upperclassmen to transfer. Not so much with Daz.

With that said, the biggest factor will be the OL. I imagine Wade didn't like trying to play QB behind that line last year. If the line continues to be a disaster this year, maybe he'd be wise to transfer... Unless he likes injuries...

[dtwalrus]

Can't see how anybody could complain about bringing in Towles.

I'm not complaining that Sarge brought in Towles. I'm complaining that Sarge has failed to groom a QB who is ready to take the ball in Dublin in 3+ years on the job.

Translations:
1). "I blame Daz because BC didn't have one upperclassmen QB on the roster last year due to Spaz not recruiting one in his last two years."
2) "I blame Daz because his first QB recruit he brought in in 2014 was injured for the year and thus not able to be groomed in 2015."
3) "I blame Daz for not being able to recruit at QB in 2015 who would be ready to step in and only require a few months of grooming before starting in the ACC."

Either way, this is unfair.

With that said, if we start Towles this year and next year the QB situation is still a disaster, then and only then will you have a case for failure to groom. Because then we're talking Wade, Smith and Brown -- all decent recruits with some experience -- being unprepared. That would unquestionably be a failure to groom.

Smith is a WR

Oh, I know. I'm acknowledging that decision as a major liability for Daz assuming neither Wade not Brown can be effective in 2017 after a year of Towles.

[dtwalrus]

On the Smith transfer to WR decision though, the one reason it makes sense is that Smith was most likely the biggest transfer risk. With Wade returning, Brown coming up, and especially with Towles. Smith as a #3 this year and possibly Brown supplanting him in 2017 for #2, it's almost 100% he would've transfered.

Moving him to WR at least keeps a talented athlete on the roster.

[dtwalrus]

Also, let me just say this about Daz grooming QB's: I don't think you can fault him for the QB results thus far, but at the same time I don't like the way he is grooming.

He doesn't get backups involved well. In all 3 seasons thus far he waits until there's very little garbage time left to bring in the backup and when he finally does he only sends them out there to hand off the ball.

It's a bullshit strategy and it does nothing to prepare the backup. Send them in earlier if the game is reasonably secure, and send them out there to score points.

If Towles starts, Wade better be doing more than handing off in the 4th Q against UConn when the score gets Howard-like.

[BCSUPERFAN22]

Also, let me just say this about Daz grooming QB's: I don't think you can fault him for the QB results thus far, but at the same time I don't like the way he is grooming.

He doesn't get backups involved well. In all 3 seasons thus far he waits until there's very little garbage time left to bring in the backup and when he finally does he only sends them out there to hand off the ball.

It's a bullshit strategy and it does nothing to prepare the backup. Send them in earlier if the game is reasonably secure, and send them out there to score points.

If Towles starts, Wade better be doing more than handing off in the 4th Q against UConn when the score gets Howard-like.

This was my biggest issue with Addazio year 2. By only playing Wade in garbage time in a handful of games, it did nothing but waste a year. If anything, redshirt him and take it off with an injury to Murphy, but to play him in garbage time vs UMass (game 1) means that the plan was for him to not RS. I've said this previously, but I completely agree that Wade should get a lot of snaps this year in anticipation of next season. With a garbage schedule, there should be plenty of opportunity to play entire second halves.

As to the development issue, he rolled the dice last year and got caught. Should he have brought in 2 borderline QBs in Smith and Robinson, probably not, but I think he was clouded by the success of Murphy's style. What would have been the chance that any QB would have been ready to play when Wade went down (would Brown have fared any better if he was at BC a year earlier ?). I think Smith could have developed into a decent QB potentially, but the depth chart probably dictates that the switch was a smart decision if he wants to stay at BC.

[angrychicken]

I'm glad to see that everyone agrees with me that Wade should be the starter.

[eagle33]

I'm glad that Towles is there. I just think that, unless he is significantly better than Wade, he should not be the starter. The best we're hoping for this year is a crappy bowl in early December, regardless of who is starting at QB. The more that Wade sees the field this year, the better off we are later on.

This. If Wade outplays Towles leading into the season he should be starting. My fear is Daz guaranteed Towles the starting job, he plays like Uncle Dave, and a stubborn Sarge continues to play him over Wade.

[twballgame9]

Wade is going to have to show a lot to prove he's better than a guy that has started in the SEC. But agree that Wade was by far the better guy at the Spring Game, and if the mismatch remains that way in practice, he will be the starter. I'm just guessing that is not the case.

If Towles is even marginally better, you play him.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

which guy do you want to get mauled by a truck that rolls through the porous oline? that's the guy you start first.

he may not make it back from ireland

[eagletx]

Can't see how anybody could complain about bringing in Towles.

I'm not complaining that Sarge brought in Towles. I'm complaining that Sarge has failed to groom a QB who is ready to take the ball in Dublin in 3+ years on the job.

Translations:
1). "I blame Daz because BC didn't have one upperclassmen QB on the roster last year due to Spaz not recruiting one in his last two years."
2) "I blame Daz because his first QB recruit he brought in in 2014 was injured for the year and thus not able to be groomed in 2015."
3) "I blame Daz for not being able to recruit at QB in 2015 who would be ready to step in and only require a few months of grooming before starting in the ACC."

Either way, this is unfair.

With that said, if we start Towles this year and next year the QB situation is still a disaster, then and only then will you have a case for failure to groom. Because then we're talking Wade, Smith and Brown -- all decent recruits with some experience -- being unprepared. That would unquestionably be a failure to groom.

I think we should just give Daz a ten year pass, because, shit, Spaz really hurt the reputation of BC and gee whiz, its awful hard to come back from that, because, golly, everyone was, like, so depressed, and man, it's tough to adjust to that new coaching style, and man, a freshman really can't absorb all that complexity, and we're awful young, and we got these new coaches, and a new system, and, man, look at those programs like Louisville, who are really coming on, and............

[h2o]

sarge also said flutie looked good at qb in the spring last year so... there's that.

maybe he evaluated flutie's skills from a natick curb at 1:30 in the morning

THERE WAS NO CURB!!!

#googlemaps

I hear the broad side of a barn has flown into a jealous rage and is planning a curb stomping.

[eagle9903]

Can't see how anybody could complain about bringing in Towles.

I'm not complaining that Sarge brought in Towles. I'm complaining that Sarge has failed to groom a QB who is ready to take the ball in Dublin in 3+ years on the job.

Translations:
1). "I blame Daz because BC didn't have one upperclassmen QB on the roster last year due to Spaz not recruiting one in his last two years."
2) "I blame Daz because his first QB recruit he brought in in 2014 was injured for the year and thus not able to be groomed in 2015."
3) "I blame Daz for not being able to recruit at QB in 2015 who would be ready to step in and only require a few months of grooming before starting in the ACC."

Either way, this is unfair.

With that said, if we start Towles this year and next year the QB situation is still a disaster, then and only then will you have a case for failure to groom. Because then we're talking Wade, Smith and Brown -- all decent recruits with some experience -- being unprepared. That would unquestionably be a failure to groom.

I think we should just give Daz a ten year pass, because, shit, Spaz really hurt the reputation of BC and gee whiz, its awful hard to come back from that, because, golly, everyone was, like, so depressed, and man, it's tough to adjust to that new coaching style, and man, a freshman really can't absorb all that complexity, and we're awful young, and we got these new coaches, and a new system, and, man, look at those programs like Louisville, who are really coming on, and............

Your opinion is stupider than the one you're making fun of.

[eepstein0]

Wade is going to have to show a lot to prove he's better than a guy that has started in the SEC. But agree that Wade was by far the better guy at the Spring Game, and if the mismatch remains that way in practice, he will be the starter. I'm just guessing that is not the case.

If Towles is even marginally better, you play him.

It's this. Play the better QB, I don't care what grade they are.

Smith is fast, I'm not sure he's any good at QB or WR.

[eagle9903]

Towles is starting.

[twballgame9]

So you prefer experience over potential regarding this argument? I see what your saying, and if we were contending for anything, I would agree. The state of the OL and our offense in general makes me prefer to roll the dice with the young dude...

until you are not contending play the better QB. they have played fsu and Clemson too close to assume shit

[basselope]

"How long before a coach returns a program to true competitiveness?"
If the program is the Browns the answer is eternally.

Play whoever is the better QB.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

Can't see how anybody could complain about bringing in Towles.

I'm not complaining that Sarge brought in Towles. I'm complaining that Sarge has failed to groom a QB who is ready to take the ball in Dublin in 3+ years on the job.

Translations:
1). "I blame Daz because BC didn't have one upperclassmen QB on the roster last year due to Spaz not recruiting one in his last two years."
2) "I blame Daz because his first QB recruit he brought in in 2014 was injured for the year and thus not able to be groomed in 2015."
3) "I blame Daz for not being able to recruit at QB in 2015 who would be ready to step in and only require a few months of grooming before starting in the ACC."

Either way, this is unfair.

With that said, if we start Towles this year and next year the QB situation is still a disaster, then and only then will you have a case for failure to groom. Because then we're talking Wade, Smith and Brown -- all decent recruits with some experience -- being unprepared. That would unquestionably be a failure to groom.

I think we should just give Daz a ten year pass, because, shit, Spaz really hurt the reputation of BC and gee whiz, its awful hard to come back from that, because, golly, everyone was, like, so depressed, and man, it's tough to adjust to that new coaching style, and man, a freshman really can't absorb all that complexity, and we're awful young, and we got these new coaches, and a new system, and, man, look at those programs like Louisville, who are really coming on, and............

Your opinion is stupider than the one you're making fun of.

no it isn't. fuck millionaires that need to be coddled over the kids they are supposed to be directing towards success. Sgt. Thin skin can suck my laser shorn nutsack

[eagle9903]

no it isn't. fuck millionaires that need to be coddled over the kids they are supposed to be directing towards success. Sgt. Thin skin can suck my laser shorn nutsack

Yes, yes, you are tough, cool and like sports very much and there is no need to brag about your grooming habits, Hansen's probably not afraid of pubes in his teeth.

[Corporal Funishment]

We haven't even started losing yet and every excuse in the book is being used to protect Daz.

Really looking forward to the first "Towles was recruited as a receiver, Daz has been forced to play him out of position" post
Also looking forward to being told that 45 runs for 85 yards against Buffalo is canny strategy because "we need to shorten the game"
Best will be hearing that Daz's upperclassmen are actually still inexperienced and we can't expect them to perform because "they didn't really gain experience that year Flutie was quarterback"

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

no it isn't. fuck millionaires that need to be coddled over the kids they are supposed to be directing towards success. Sgt. Thin skin can suck my laser shorn nutsack

Yes, yes, you are tough, cool and like sports very much and there is no need to brag about your grooming habits, Hansen's probably not afraid of pubes in his teeth.

so after being proven that your love of beeker was incorrect you're still riding the "excuses are cool, we should use them for as long as we can" train for bc coaches. based on recent experience, that is a good approach and is very likely to work out

[DavidGordonsFoot]

no it isn't. fuck millionaires that need to be coddled over the kids they are supposed to be directing towards success. Sgt. Thin skin can suck my laser shorn nutsack

Yes, yes, you are tough, cool and like sports very much and there is no need to brag about your grooming habits, Hansen's probably not afraid of pubes in his teeth.

so after being proven that your love of beeker was incorrect you're still riding the "excuses are cool, we should use them for as long as we can" train for bc coaches. based on recent experience, that is a good approach and is very likely to work out

The Philly intern can be such a prick sometimes.

[eagle9903]

no it isn't. fuck millionaires that need to be coddled over the kids they are supposed to be directing towards success. Sgt. Thin skin can suck my laser shorn nutsack

Yes, yes, you are tough, cool and like sports very much and there is no need to brag about your grooming habits, Hansen's probably not afraid of pubes in his teeth.

so after being proven that your love of beeker was incorrect you're still riding the "excuses are cool, we should use them for as long as we can" train for bc coaches. based on recent experience, that is a good approach and is very likely to work out

If you've said "[enter example] Non-hockey BC Sports thing will suck" 1000 times after 2008 you'd have been right 997 times. I give no one who employees the eepstein miserable prick position as a default any credit for stating the obvious. As anyone who paid attention and wasn't sucking eskimo dicks on a glacier knows, Beaker would have succeeded had Clifford been 100% and he received basic administrative support such as adequate resources to replace Joe Jones, as I've said all along and cannot be proven otherwise without a search function.

I do welcome you to continue to pretend that it is 2008 when our biggest problem seemed to be purveyors of dental hygiene however and look forward to the next coaching candidates thread vs. results of coaching search where we get to pretend the list will be Saban, Meyers, and belichick and end up with Don Treadwell and Randy Edsall again.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

why, did beeker know of better restaurants to add to clifford's memories of the heights?

Edit sarge is the best we can do... crack the rock, bitches

[angrychicken]

So you prefer experience over potential regarding this argument? I see what your saying, and if we were contending for anything, I would agree. The state of the OL and our offense in general makes me prefer to roll the dice with the young dude...

until you are not contending play the better QB. they have played fsu and Clemson too close to assume shit

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