Official Future Scheduling Thread

[dtwalrus]

Big week for ACC division realignment.

1) Louisville over FSU would go a long way to convincing Swofford that the Atlantic is too stacked.

2) Pitt over OSU would really help in convincing the league to go back to a Big East vs. ACC split. It's not enough for the Atlantic to be stacked, the old Big East teams need to look competent enough to rival an ACC division with Clemson, FSU, GT and the Carolina schools. A dominant Louisville, a reborn Pitt would help, Miami and VT returning to decency. All key.

Yeah, totally pointless post, but it's Monday morning in the office....

[westcoastbernie]

“We’re looking to compete against similar institutions, like-minded universities,” Athletic Director Brad Bates said, referring to other academically respected private universities with competitive football teams — the colleges against which the Golden Eagles are often competing for prospects.

“First, you’ve got to find an institution interested in playing you,” Bates continued. “Then it has to align: You have so few nonconference weekends. Then you look at things that are important to the program — recruiting, for example, and we recruit heavily in California. And then, our fans: What will excite our fans?”

OOC games over in '15-'18 that weren't dictated by the ACC:

Maine
Howard
NIU
UMass
Wagner
Buffalo
UConn
NIU
CMU
UConn
UMass
Holy Cross
Purdue
Temple

They do recruit out here in CA. Rettig is a CA guy, having played at San Clemente HS. Knowing that you have over 12,000 alums in CA, and it is location where you actually get kids both in football and hoops, why would you not schedule at last one CA program (Pac12 or MWC) every 2 -3 years on a home/home basis to make your program national and get out to the west coast for exposure to help your recruiting base?? His philosophy of scheduling "like-minded universities"---private schools that are nationally ranked academically and play P5 football, basically limits BC to Stanford and USC. Nice games but that means you are playing CA schools once every 15 years. Lots of programs out here they could play to establish a beach head (UCLA, Cal, San Jose State, San Diego State, Fresno State....not to mention the Arizona schools) that would all (except Fresno) be great travel games for Alums, give the program exposure out West and truly make it a national program. Everyone shits over the OOC schedule but if you are playing your 8 conference games, UMass, an AAC opponent every year, a P5 school and a West coast team, that would be a pretty decent and attractive schedule.

[HJS]

ESPN keeps pressing this topic. Wonder if it'll come to a head soon. Some interesting details:

- Last vote on 9 games was 8-6 opposed. That's really close.
- Miami voted for 9 games last time, as did UNC and NCST.
- FSU, Clemson, GT and Louisville are adamantly against 9 games due to SEC rivals.
- Considering 8 conference games and 2 "P5" OOC games instead of 2 P5 games. Basically including BYU, Houston, Boise St, Army, Navy, ECU as P5.
- In addition to UNC scheduling Wake as OOC due to frustration with rarity of inter-division games, NCST was close to scheduling Duke OOC as well.
- "Status quo is no longer an option."

Is it possible BC voted against 9 games? Only 6 supported it and if Miami was one of the six, and you assume the 4 NC schools also voted for it, then that's only 1 yes vote remaining. Clearly Bates and Addazio have been trying to cupcake-ify the schedule. Maybe they voted against 9 games to keep the Buffalo's of the world on the schedule. If so, BC is a swing vote in the current round. And now I'd assume that if BC has to choose it would definitely prefer 9 conference games than struggling to find 2 P5's.

I think 9 has to happen. Even if the divisions stay the same and the annual cross-over rival remains, at least that would mean playing Miami and Pitt every 3 years instead of every 6.

http://www.espn.com/blog/ncfnation/post ... ule-format

First, there is no way that BC (who can't win a conference game) would ever vote to play more of them.
Second, the ridiculously unbalanced divisions has caused the ACC to do this as a tie-breaker for the Football Division: http://www.espn.com/college-football/st ... -3-way-tie

[eepstein0]

NYTimes article on scheduling games out years in advance. Bates interviewed on the subject. Boston College "Golden Eagles" alert in this one. How does Bates not start every interview with, "just to be clear, we're the "Eagles," not the "Golden Eagles."

On scheduling Stanford in 2028/2029: "It wasn't the soonest that the dates made sense, but it was the soonest we could make it work."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/sport ... .html?_r=1

The Golden Eagles huh?

P5
UMass (Gilette is fine)
UConn or Military
FCS

The above is not hard.

Purdue is a stupid series, no one wants to go to West Lafeyette, Indiana ever.

[eepstein0]

This boards already in peak form and there's still 15 days til opening kick off. Gonna be a good year!

Much like the BC student section, EO peaks early. By November it will be the same 5 people touting their agendas in the game threads over and over again.

I may not have an agenda for football since this team isn't really agenda worthy. Lowry fucking blows, maybe I'll go with that.

[dtwalrus]

ESPN keeps pressing this topic. Wonder if it'll come to a head soon. Some interesting details:

- Last vote on 9 games was 8-6 opposed. That's really close.
- Miami voted for 9 games last time, as did UNC and NCST.
- FSU, Clemson, GT and Louisville are adamantly against 9 games due to SEC rivals.
- Considering 8 conference games and 2 "P5" OOC games instead of 2 P5 games. Basically including BYU, Houston, Boise St, Army, Navy, ECU as P5.
- In addition to UNC scheduling Wake as OOC due to frustration with rarity of inter-division games, NCST was close to scheduling Duke OOC as well.
- "Status quo is no longer an option."

Is it possible BC voted against 9 games? Only 6 supported it and if Miami was one of the six, and you assume the 4 NC schools also voted for it, then that's only 1 yes vote remaining. Clearly Bates and Addazio have been trying to cupcake-ify the schedule. Maybe they voted against 9 games to keep the Buffalo's of the world on the schedule. If so, BC is a swing vote in the current round. And now I'd assume that if BC has to choose it would definitely prefer 9 conference games than struggling to find 2 P5's.

I think 9 has to happen. Even if the divisions stay the same and the annual cross-over rival remains, at least that would mean playing Miami and Pitt every 3 years instead of every 6.

http://www.espn.com/blog/ncfnation/post ... ule-format

First, there is no way that BC (who can't win a conference game) would ever vote to play more of them.
Second, the ridiculously unbalanced divisions has caused the ACC to do this as a tie-breaker for the Football Division: http://www.espn.com/college-football/st ... -3-way-tie

The 8+2 vs 9+1 decision is scheduled for another vote during the ACC Fall Meetings on Oct. 5-6. So we should know soon.

Again, I don't think the SEC-rivalry tied teams are going to flip and Swofford won't want to piss off the ACC baby rapists. That means 8+2. The only question is whether small schools like BC, Syracuse, Miami, Wake, and NCST can extract some demands out of the compromise, namely division realignment.

Big East vs. ACC. It's what everyone wants...

[HJS]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/st ... ule-format
Daz is psyched.

[dtwalrus]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17722766/acc-elects-keep-current-football-schedule-format
Daz is psyched.

Just pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. $500K less per year to stick with 8+1.

There goes the dream of division realignment too...

[Eaglekeeper]

Totally stupid not to follow ESPN's advice. These idiots just do not get it, viewers are not going to buy the ACC network to watch crap games. Just follow the biggest revenue conference The B1G and go to 9 games.

[innocentbystander]

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17722766/acc-elects-keep-current-football-schedule-format
Daz is psyched.

9 ACC games would be much better. But hey, now Swofford can still go groveling to Notre Dame and tell them that they can join (with Navy) to get the ACC to 16 teams (first) and Notre Dame still gets to play USC, Stanford, Michigan, and Michigan State OOC?

[HJS]

The way I look at it, the schools that give a shit about football wanted to stay at 8 games. Their vote (to me) is more influential than the views of the BB schools (UNC, NCS, Duke, WF and Cuse) and those teams that don't play sports (BC).

[dtwalrus]

The way I look at it, the schools that give a shit about football wanted to stay at 8 games. Their vote (to me) is more influential than the views of the BB schools (UNC, NCS, Duke, WF and Cuse) and those teams that don't play sports (BC).

Absolutely this. FSU, Clemson, Louisville, GT and by some accounts Duke and VT wanted to stay at 8 to have flexibility to schedule multiple P5 OOC games. That's the heart of the ACC there. I was hoping that teams like BC, Syracuse, NCST, UNC, Pitt, and MIami, who are dissatisfied with the cross-overs would come around to 8+2 in exchange for ACC division/scheduling changes. But no, apparently they'd just prefer the status quo, which is terrible. So fucking sick of playing Wake and NCST every year...

I do wonder if ESPN sunk the 8+2 plan. Just practically speaking it probably would've required some flexibility in the +2 area. There just aren't enough P5 teams out there, especially for teams like BC, Syracuse, NCST, Wake, etc. A lot of pundits were expecting some compromise on the definition of +2. Like +1 P5 and +1 P5/Service/BYU/Boise/AAC/etc... Maybe ESPN preferred cutting $7m from the annual budget at the end of the day to the more BC-Temple matchups...

[HJS]

P5 clubs LOVE playing shit programs like BC. It is as easy as a D2 team and no criticizes the inclusion. BC and Cuse wouldn't have a problem... the problem is getting someone to willfully show up in Death Valley.

[DomingoOrtiz]

P5 clubs LOVE playing shit programs like BC. .

Sure but how many would do a home & home?

[Eaglekeeper]

I do like the Big East/ACC split for divisions. If they get to 16 teams in 4 conferences they can go to a 9 or 10 game conference schedule if winning your division gets you into the playoffs. Division champs are your final 8 or 4 divisions (9 conference games) to set up a sweet 16 playoff. 2 points for a division win and 1 point for a conference win. OOC games don't help or hurt your playoff chances.

BC, ND, Pitt, SU
L, VT, UVA, WVU (forget Navy)
UNC, Duke, NC St, Miami
Clemson, GT, FSU, Wake

3 division games and play 2 games against each the other 3 divisions. This changes up the schedule each year and you get to play all of the ACC teams more often. Division races will keep the fans interested and the TV ratings up. The TV ratings and the launch of the ACC network will dictate the schedule, not the AD's. This is all about money and ESPN has to make money or else the new network will be a failure. Hoops went to 20 games. Football drives the bus, but in the northeast it will be the hoops fans that buy the network. It's winter, everybody is inside watching hoops except BC fans because our program sucks. A strong BC ball program will really help the ACC network.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

I do like the Big East/ACC split for divisions. If they get to 16 teams in 4 conferences they can go to a 9 or 10 game conference schedule if winning your division gets you into the playoffs. Division champs are your final 8 or 4 divisions (9 conference games) to set up a sweet 16 playoff. 2 points for a division win and 1 point for a conference win. OOC games don't help or hurt your playoff chances.

BC, ND, Pitt, SU
L, VT, UVA, WVU (forget Navy)
UNC, Duke, NC St, Miami
Clemson, GT, FSU, Wake

3 division games and play 2 games against each the other 3 divisions. This changes up the schedule each year and you get to play all of the ACC teams more often. Division races will keep the fans interested and the TV ratings up. The TV ratings and the launch of the ACC network will dictate the schedule, not the AD's. This is all about money and ESPN has to make money or else the new network will be a failure. Hoops went to 20 games. Football drives the bus, but in the northeast it will be the hoops fans that buy the network. It's winter, everybody is inside watching hoops except BC fans because our program sucks. A strong BC ball program will really help the ACC network.

this is the dumbest thing you've ever posted

[twballgame9]

I do like the Big East/ACC split for divisions. If they get to 16 teams in 4 conferences they can go to a 9 or 10 game conference schedule if winning your division gets you into the playoffs. Division champs are your final 8 or 4 divisions (9 conference games) to set up a sweet 16 playoff. 2 points for a division win and 1 point for a conference win. OOC games don't help or hurt your playoff chances.

BC, ND, Pitt, SU
L, VT, UVA, WVU (forget Navy)
UNC, Duke, NC St, Miami
Clemson, GT, FSU, Wake

3 division games and play 2 games against each the other 3 divisions. This changes up the schedule each year and you get to play all of the ACC teams more often. Division races will keep the fans interested and the TV ratings up. The TV ratings and the launch of the ACC network will dictate the schedule, not the AD's. This is all about money and ESPN has to make money or else the new network will be a failure. Hoops went to 20 games. Football drives the bus, but in the northeast it will be the hoops fans that buy the network. It's winter, everybody is inside watching hoops except BC fans because our program sucks. A strong BC ball program will really help the ACC network.

this is the dumbest thing you've ever posted

Nope

[angrychicken]

I do like the Big East/ACC split for divisions. If they get to 16 teams in 4 conferences they can go to a 9 or 10 game conference schedule if winning your division gets you into the playoffs. Division champs are your final 8 or 4 divisions (9 conference games) to set up a sweet 16 playoff. 2 points for a division win and 1 point for a conference win. OOC games don't help or hurt your playoff chances.

BC, ND, Pitt, SU
L, VT, UVA, WVU (forget Navy)
UNC, Duke, NC St, Miami
Clemson, GT, FSU, Wake

3 division games and play 2 games against each the other 3 divisions. This changes up the schedule each year and you get to play all of the ACC teams more often. Division races will keep the fans interested and the TV ratings up. The TV ratings and the launch of the ACC network will dictate the schedule, not the AD's. This is all about money and ESPN has to make money or else the new network will be a failure. Hoops went to 20 games. Football drives the bus, but in the northeast it will be the hoops fans that buy the network. It's winter, everybody is inside watching hoops except BC fans because our program sucks. A strong BC ball program will really help the ACC network.

this is the dumbest thing you've ever posted

Nope

Not even close

[dtwalrus]

Shit. Suddenly what seemed like a reasonable opportunity to fix the disaster of ACC division alignment/scheduling is being conflated with an expansion to 4x16 with pod systems and an expanded playoff...and ND giving up independence.

This thread is dead...

[hansen]

I do like the Big East/ACC split for divisions. If they get to 16 teams in 4 conferences they can go to a 9 or 10 game conference schedule if winning your division gets you into the playoffs. Division champs are your final 8 or 4 divisions (9 conference games) to set up a sweet 16 playoff. 2 points for a division win and 1 point for a conference win. OOC games don't help or hurt your playoff chances.

BC, ND, Pitt, SU
L, VT, UVA, WVU (forget Navy)
UNC, Duke, NC St, Miami
Clemson, GT, FSU, Wake

3 division games and play 2 games against each the other 3 divisions. This changes up the schedule each year and you get to play all of the ACC teams more often. Division races will keep the fans interested and the TV ratings up. The TV ratings and the launch of the ACC network will dictate the schedule, not the AD's. This is all about money and ESPN has to make money or else the new network will be a failure. Hoops went to 20 games. Football drives the bus, but in the northeast it will be the hoops fans that buy the network. It's winter, everybody is inside watching hoops except BC fans because our program sucks. A strong BC ball program will really help the ACC network.

this is the dumbest thing you've ever posted

That is a freaking bold statement

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

shut up, c-bag

[HJS]

P5 clubs LOVE playing shit programs like BC. .

Sure but how many would do a home & home?

Are you serious? Anyone would gladly sign up for a home-and-home. BC never has had problems in that space (except for ND) and they would have even less now as an uber shitty program. Teams love giving their fans a chance to visit Boston... especially in an environment where they can easily outdraw the home team and make it a defacto neutral site.

[BCSUPERFAN22]

BC just announced a home and home with Mizzou. Not great but a step in the right direction. At BC 2021 at Mizzou 2024

[ILikeBC]

http://bceagles.com/news/2016/10/11/foo ... eries.aspx

CHESTNUT HILL, Mass. – Boston College and Missouri will play a future home-and-home series, announced on Tuesday.

The Eagles will host the Tigers on Sept. 25, 2021 and travel to Missouri on Sept. 14, 2024.

The meetings will be the first-ever between to the two schools.

"We are excited to add a Southeastern Conference opponent to our future schedules," said BC Athletic Director Brad Bates.

In meetings that date back to 1937, Boston College is 10-17-1 all-time against the Southeastern Conference. The last time the Eagles faced an SEC opponent was in the Champs Sports Bowl on Dec. 31, 2008. They fell, 16-14, to Vanderbilt. BC has faced the SEC five times in bowl games with two wins. The Eagles are 6-6-1 at home against the conference and 2-8 on the road. The first meeting against the SEC came in 1937 when BC shut out Kentucky, 13-0, on Nov. 13 at Fenway Park.

[claver2010]

BC just announced a home and home with Mizzou. Not great but a step in the right direction. At BC 2021 at Mizzou 2024

probably a top 5 move by bates since he got here, which should say it all

[DavidGordonsFoot]

What is there to do in Columbia? KC and St. Louis are 100 miles away in each direction.

[DomingoOrtiz]

0.0hio St, Missouri, Stanford, Purdue. I don't care about playing any of these teams.

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

What is there to do in Columbia? KC and St. Louis are 100 miles away in each direction.

you can always find an alley to talk shop

[dtwalrus]

BC just announced a home and home with Mizzou. Not great but a step in the right direction. At BC 2021 at Mizzou 2024

Updated the master post on the front page.

At this point, I think it's fair to say that Bates has been a success on the scheduling front.
- Purdue is an good P5 for a struggling rebuilding team, even if it's not the most exciting team.
- Stanford is a great series, even if it's far down the road.
- Missouri is a good series, made even better by being willing to schedule 2 P5's in 2024. Ohio State and Missouri. Daz better have the team in shape by then.
- Holy Cross as an FCS regular.
- UMass, UConn and Temple. Controversial, but I think this is the right direction for the G5 scheduling.

And in general, we went from having massive holes and being almost entirely unscheduled, to being almost entirely set up for the next decade, with just two P5 openings in 2026 and 2027. That should be easy to fill. Hopefully with another team more like Ohio State or Stanford, as opposed to Purdue.

[commavegarage]

There are 12 teams i'd be absolutely thrilled to have a home and home with in the SEC.

Leave it to bates to schedule one of the two teams nobody has any interest in.