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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby Reverend Mike on Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:20 am

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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby gallopingghost on Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:48 am

Reverend Mike wrote:jesus fucking moonbat christ :roll:


Josh Allen sucks, that is all.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby Corporal Funishment on Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:38 am

Dick Rosenthal wrote:Whenever I read an article about Newton, I think we need to either nuke it from outer space with neutron bombs or force the residents out of their homes on some sort of horrible Trail of Tears type that kills 90% of them before they reach a reservation outside of Enid, Oklahoma.


And the amazing thing is Somerville is 50% crazier yet
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby Eaglekeeper on Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:54 pm

Forcing people out of their homes to march to their death already happened, it’s called the Holocast.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby Eaglekeeper on Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:14 pm

eagle33 wrote:So apparently, prior to BC getting involved, the congregation reached out to the city of newton to purchase the 24 acres and they passed. So BC makes the purchase and now the mayor, who happens to live adjacent to the property, want's to take it by eminent domain. BC offered to do a land swap and she turned that down as well. Let the court battle begin.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/09/30/newton-passed-chance-buy-prized-woodland-now-mayor-starting-legal-fight-with-boston-college-seize/bQcUOHALElHihBb3ei9fTP/story.html


What was the land swap? I don’t subscribe to the Globe. Thanks
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby eagle33 on Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:41 am

Eaglekeeper wrote:
eagle33 wrote:So apparently, prior to BC getting involved, the congregation reached out to the city of newton to purchase the 24 acres and they passed. So BC makes the purchase and now the mayor, who happens to live adjacent to the property, want's to take it by eminent domain. BC offered to do a land swap and she turned that down as well. Let the court battle begin.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/09/30/newton-passed-chance-buy-prized-woodland-now-mayor-starting-legal-fight-with-boston-college-seize/bQcUOHALElHihBb3ei9fTP/story.html


What was the land swap? I don’t subscribe to the Globe. Thanks


It didn't mention a specific parcel of land for the swap. Clear your browser cookies and you'll be able to read the article.

"The college has not announced any plans for the property, which is located less than 2 miles from its Chestnut Hill campus, Dunn said. He said the college had proposed a land-swap for the Webster Woods portion, but Fuller never responded to the proposal."
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby hansen on Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:28 pm

There was Newton City Council meeting tonight regarding this. Jarmond was apparently there with his crew.
Anyone have details of what happened there?
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby JesuitIvy on Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:35 pm

It was all about taking the property by eminent domain and shafting BC, per the agenda ---
http://www.newtonma.gov/civicax/fileban ... 0Woods.pdf

Though maybe getting $15.2 mln for the undeveloped part is fine, because those Newton Nimbys wouldn't allow BC to do anything anyway. Look thru the docs in that agenda and there's some BU professor (of course) who abuts the property wants it preserved b/c his kid felt walking among the trees benefitted her later career in the army. The people who live around BC are insufferable, I once suffered a 4 hour car ride with some Harvard prof/douche who complained endlessly about traffic from Alumni on the 6 satrudays a year there are games. Pro tip - don't move next to a football stadium if it bothers you so much.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby HJS on Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:59 pm

I laughed at the $15mm acquisition price tag. It allows the board coverage for when a court slaps them with a number that is multiples thereof. I also chuckled at the all-in legal bill of $750k.

As a reminder, Boston College purchased the entire 25-acre parcel for $20 million in 2016. As part of that deal, BC let the former tenant to operate rent-free. Since then, BC has spent $5 million in renovating the facility and another $1.5 million to repair a sewer line that had been leaking for some years. Property in the area has only escalated significantly since. Last year, Hebrew College sold 7 acres in Newton for $18 million, and last month, a buyer paid Newbury College $34 million for its 10-acre campus in Brookline.

I will also point out that Newton has lost previous cases involving treating the Catholic institution differently than all others. To that end, Ruthanne Schwartz Fuller and the City of Newton never attempted to eminent domain (at a steep discount) when the Woods were under the ownership of a Jewish Synagogue. And, the city of Newton abstained from making such a move until the former tenant moved out and BC took control of the land.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/newto ... story.html
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby Corporal Funishment on Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:11 pm

This obviously self-serving abuse of government power pisses me off 10x more than anything Daz does.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby innocentbystander on Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:26 pm

HJS wrote:I laughed at the $15mm acquisition price tag. It allows the board coverage for when a court slaps them with a number that is multiples thereof. I also chuckled at the all-in legal bill of $750k.

As a reminder, Boston College purchased the entire 25-acre parcel for $20 million in 2016. As part of that deal, BC let the former tenant to operate rent-free. Since then, BC has spent $5 million in renovating the facility and another $1.5 million to repair a sewer line that had been leaking for some years. Property in the area has only escalated significantly since. Last year, Hebrew College sold 7 acres in Newton for $18 million, and last month, a buyer paid Newbury College $34 million for its 10-acre campus in Brookline.

I will also point out that Newton has lost previous cases involving treating the Catholic institution differently than all others. To that end, Ruthanne Schwartz Fuller and the City of Newton never attempted to eminent domain (at a steep discount) when the Woods were under the ownership of a Jewish Synagogue. And, the city of Newton abstained from making such a move until the former tenant moved out and BC took control of the land.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/newto ... story.html


So BC is "Kelo" and the City of Newton is "New London?" BC should fight all the way to the supreme court on this one instead of being financially shafted. The make-up of the court is very different from 2005.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby HJS on Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:29 pm

innocentbystander wrote:So BC is "Kelo" and the City of Newton is "New London?" BC should fight all the way to the supreme court on this one instead of being financially shafted. The make-up of the court is very different from 2005.

The town can take the land. It's well-settled law. However, they have to pay fair market value. That is all the litigation will focus on. The comps are pretty easy to come by. I'd be surprised if it turns out to be less than $45mm.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby hansen on Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:46 pm

Also, why is this in the football board?
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby HJS on Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:47 pm

hansen wrote:Also, why is this in the football board?

Why was Jarmond at the Board hearing?
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby innocentbystander on Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:50 pm

HJS wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:So BC is "Kelo" and the City of Newton is "New London?" BC should fight all the way to the supreme court on this one instead of being financially shafted. The make-up of the court is very different from 2005.

The town can take the land. It's well-settled law. However, they have to pay fair market value. That is all the litigation will focus on. The comps are pretty easy to come by. I'd be surprised if it turns out to be less than $45mm.


That was part of this whole Kelo vs New London nonsense. The question was never that they couldn't take the land. The battle was always over the price. The developer had to convince the court that the land where Kelo had her house was "blighted and worthless" to get it for a price low enough to justify construction on the new Pfizer drug building. (Viagra.) The city convinced everyone that the poor of CT would benefit with more property taxes from Pfizer. And the developer won (mostly because of the political make-up of the 2005 supreme court) and they paid a price only the developer wanted to pay, a price too low for any of the residents to be able to buy another house anywhere in New London. Houses were ripped down and now feral cats live there because the Pfizer building was never built. And the people of New London largely :shrug because they paid bottom dollar for the land. Watch that movie Little Pink House on Netflix and be horrified.

If you are right and the city of Newton is forced to pay $45 mil to take the land, they might just walk away. I think the city of Newton would be too angry to let BC have a $20 million profit than they would be pleased to take the land from BC.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby Bryn Mawr Eagle on Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:53 pm

hansen wrote:Also, why is this in the football board?


Because if BC is forced to sell the land they'll finally have the money to fill in the corners of Alumni and build more luxury boxes. Duh.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby Bryn Mawr Eagle on Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:56 pm

innocentbystander wrote:
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innocentbystander wrote:So BC is "Kelo" and the City of Newton is "New London?" BC should fight all the way to the supreme court on this one instead of being financially shafted. The make-up of the court is very different from 2005.

The town can take the land. It's well-settled law. However, they have to pay fair market value. That is all the litigation will focus on. The comps are pretty easy to come by. I'd be surprised if it turns out to be less than $45mm.


That was part of this whole Kelo vs New London nonsense. The question was never that they couldn't take the land. The battle was always over the price. The developer had to convince the court that the land where Kelo had her house was "blighted and worthless" to get it for a price low enough to justify construction on the new Pfizer drug building. (Viagra.) And the developer won (mostly because of the political make-up of the 2005 supreme court) and they paid a price only the developer wanted to pay, a price too low for any of the residents to be able to buy another house anywhere in New London. Houses were ripped down and now feral cats live there because the Pfizer building was never built. And the people of New London largely :shrug because they paid bottom dollar for the land. Watch that movie Little Pink House on Netflix and be horrified.

If you are right and the city of Newton is forced to pay $45 mil to take the land, they might just walk away. I think the city of Newton would be too angry to let BC have a $20 million profit than they would be pleased to take the land from BC.


I don't think you understand the main point of the Kelo decision. The Supreme Court was not concerned with the price.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby innocentbystander on Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:10 pm

Bryn Mawr Eagle wrote:
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HJS wrote:
innocentbystander wrote:So BC is "Kelo" and the City of Newton is "New London?" BC should fight all the way to the supreme court on this one instead of being financially shafted. The make-up of the court is very different from 2005.

The town can take the land. It's well-settled law. However, they have to pay fair market value. That is all the litigation will focus on. The comps are pretty easy to come by. I'd be surprised if it turns out to be less than $45mm.


That was part of this whole Kelo vs New London nonsense. The question was never that they couldn't take the land. The battle was always over the price. The developer had to convince the court that the land where Kelo had her house was "blighted and worthless" to get it for a price low enough to justify construction on the new Pfizer drug building. (Viagra.) And the developer won (mostly because of the political make-up of the 2005 supreme court) and they paid a price only the developer wanted to pay, a price too low for any of the residents to be able to buy another house anywhere in New London. Houses were ripped down and now feral cats live there because the Pfizer building was never built. And the people of New London largely :shrug because they paid bottom dollar for the land. Watch that movie Little Pink House on Netflix and be horrified.

If you are right and the city of Newton is forced to pay $45 mil to take the land, they might just walk away. I think the city of Newton would be too angry to let BC have a $20 million profit than they would be pleased to take the land from BC.


I don't think you understand the main point of the Kelo decision. The Supreme Court was not concerned with the price.


Yes they were not concerned with the price. It was whether or not a private building could be considered a "public good" and (thus) seized by eminent domain. That is all they voted on, what is a "public good?" All I'm saying is that it would not have gotten that far if the City of New London had to pay big dollars for the land. They didn't. They paid bottom dollar which (in turn) could justify buying it so they could make more property tax "profit" from Pfizer by leasing them the office space (on buildings that were never built.)

If HJS is right (and all we are haggling over is the price) then, if the price goes to $45 mil, I think Newton walks. I think they just want to steal it.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby Corporal Funishment on Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:55 pm

Would make great law if some judge, somewhere, could apply a limiting principle to Kelo

Anyone in Newton can hop into a car and drive 20 minutes in any of 8 different directions and find much, much more wooded area than exists in the parcel at stake. The public benefit of the land confiscation ("preserve the wooded area") is an obvious pretext for the true benefit - the NIMBYs want their neighborhood to stay quiet. That's not the purpose of eminent domain, that's abuse of eminent domain for personal gain.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:09 pm

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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby AdamBC on Tue Dec 03, 2019 8:26 pm

Newton wants to light tax dollars on fire: https://patch.com/massachusetts/newton/ ... ent-domain
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby hansen on Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:36 am

AdamBC wrote:Newton wants to light tax dollars on fire: https://patch.com/massachusetts/newton/ ... ent-domain


So they valued our 20 million dollar purchase at 15.2 million dollars.
Honestly, this is a declaration of war and I hope the school does everything in its power to fuck over newton at every turn going forward.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:40 am

hansen wrote:
AdamBC wrote:Newton wants to light tax dollars on fire: https://patch.com/massachusetts/newton/ ... ent-domain


So they valued our 20 million dollar purchase at 15.2 million dollars.
Honestly, this is a declaration of war and I hope the school does everything in its power to fuck over newton at every turn going forward.


They did not take all of it, but what they are taking, is still worth more than $15.2m.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby hansen on Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:51 am

DomingoOrtiz wrote:
hansen wrote:
AdamBC wrote:Newton wants to light tax dollars on fire: https://patch.com/massachusetts/newton/ ... ent-domain


So they valued our 20 million dollar purchase at 15.2 million dollars.
Honestly, this is a declaration of war and I hope the school does everything in its power to fuck over newton at every turn going forward.


They did not take all of it, but what they are taking, is still worth more than $15.2m.


I'm sure we'll get a better price but I doubt we will get the true value of what it's worth. to a land strapped university, that parcel might as well be gold.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby DuchesneEast on Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:14 am

BC should halt any free services it provides the city residents and cease any payments in lieu of taxes.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby hansen on Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:26 am

DuchesneEast wrote:BC should halt any free services it provides the city residents and cease any payments in lieu of taxes.


It bothers me so much because BC plays so nice with the town. The school has a history of preservation of land (beer can hill, etc.) and it's building policy is aesthetically pleasing (minus say the Plex which no longer exists and maybe edmunds/walsh). it's not like we are building soviet style skyscrapers like Syracuse for example. one of BC's selling campus is a beautiful campus and yet these fucking NIMBYs act like such baby maker.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby hansen on Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:27 am

Also, as a libertarian, eminent domain is INFURIATING.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:10 am

There is no reason to be anything but hostile and antagonistic towards Newton going forward. Fuck the locals, start using the power the school wields on Beacon Hill to have the state assist in making Newton's life a living hell.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:20 am

hansen wrote:
DuchesneEast wrote:BC should halt any free services it provides the city residents and cease any payments in lieu of taxes.


It bothers me so much because BC plays so nice with the town. The school has a history of preservation of land (beer can hill, etc.) and it's building policy is aesthetically pleasing (minus say the Plex which no longer exists and maybe edmunds/walsh). it's not like we are building soviet style skyscrapers like Syracuse for example. one of BC's selling campus is a beautiful campus and yet these fucking NIMBYs act like such baby maker.


Edmunds is gone; Walsh is still there, unfortunately.
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Re: 24 acre purchase

Postby hansen on Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:23 am

DomingoOrtiz wrote:
hansen wrote:
DuchesneEast wrote:BC should halt any free services it provides the city residents and cease any payments in lieu of taxes.


It bothers me so much because BC plays so nice with the town. The school has a history of preservation of land (beer can hill, etc.) and it's building policy is aesthetically pleasing (minus say the Plex which no longer exists and maybe edmunds/walsh). it's not like we are building soviet style skyscrapers like Syracuse for example. one of BC's selling campus is a beautiful campus and yet these fucking NIMBYs act like such baby maker.


Edmunds is gone; Walsh is still there, unfortunately.


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