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Legislation allowing for the deregulation of conference championship games is now expected to be passed by 2016, CBSSports.com has learned.

The move would directly impact the Big 12 and ACC, which developed the legislation. The Big 12, which is the only Power Five league without a championship game, is merely seeking the option of staging such a contest with 10 teams. The ACC's ultimate intentions with a 14-team league in football, one which already holds a championship game, are not clear.

Current NCAA rules state a league must have at least 12 teams in order to play a conference title game. Those teams also must play a round-robin within each division.

The legislation is now expected to move forward after being delayed somewhat by NCAA governance reform. CBSSports.com reported last year that legislation had formally been submitted.

“I think there's some belief that ACC would play three divisions, have two highest ranked play in postseason,” said Bob Bowlsby, chairman of the new NCAA Football Oversight Committee. “Really, nobody cares how you determine your champion. It should be a conference-level decision.

“But because the ACC has persisted in saying, ‘We're not sure what we'll do,' there's probably a little bit of a shadow over it. In the end, I don't think it'll be able to hold it up. We'll probably have it in place for ‘16.”

tallsy {l Wrote}:Does this mean a team like BC (or WF, Cuse, etc.) could win the division but be not chosen for the ACC Champ Game because another team would have a better shot at the playoffs? This doesn't sound good at all.

tallsy {l Wrote}:Does this mean a team like BC (or WF, Cuse, etc.) could win the division but be not chosen for the ACC Champ Game because another team would have a better shot at the playoffs? This doesn't sound good at all.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:can someone remind me what year clemson, fla state, miami and ga tech joined the sec? i can't seem to remember and can never find it on the googles

tallsy {l Wrote}:Although seeing 3 teams on the field at the same time will be kind of cool.

dtwalrus {l Wrote}:

tallsy {l Wrote}:Does this mean a team like BC (or WF, Cuse, etc.) could win the division but be not chosen for the ACC Champ Game because another team would have a better shot at the playoffs? This doesn't sound good at all.

After Baylor last year I think conferences have learned that hand-picking a "golden child" can back fire. If the ACC is moving in this direction -- and it sure likes like it is -- there's gotta be a strict and clearly defined set of tiebreakers that's understandable and reasonably fair.

By the way, I'd like to take this moment to vote for the following Division alignment:

North: BC, Syracuse, Pitt, VT, UVa/ND
Central: UNC, NCST, Wake, Duke, UVa/Louisville/ND
South: FSU, Miami, Clemson, GT, Louisville/ND

ND rotates through the divisions, playing all members from a division +1 other team in the conference (which might have to be UVa or Lousville most years mathematically since they're always moving to make room for ND).
- When ND is in the North, UVa in in the Central and Louisville is in the South.
- When ND is in the Central, UVa is in the North and Lousiville is in the South.
- When ND is in the South, UVa is in the North and Lousiville is in the Central.

I just pulled this out of my ass with only 2 seconds of thought, but actually think it's kind of nice. Or I'm missing something obvious and am a total idiot.

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:This idea seems really stupid but I can't ever see them going to 3 divisions.

HJS {l Wrote}:

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:This idea seems really stupid but I can't ever see them going to 3 divisions.

Someone explain to me why the ACC would need this rule change so that they could go to 3 divisions.

HJS {l Wrote}:I still don't understand why the ACC's support of B12 having a Conference Champs game means that we are going to 3 divisions.

HJS {l Wrote}:3 divisions makes no sense. Makes no logistical sense... makes no commercial sense... makes no college playoff sense.

However, is it possible that this could open the door to an in-conference playoff... essentially the 1st and 2nd team in the Atlantic plays each other after the season with the winner playing in the Conference Champs game against the Coastal playoff winner?

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:3 divisions makes no sense. Makes no logistical sense... makes no commercial sense... makes no college playoff sense.

However, is it possible that this could open the door to an in-conference playoff... essentially the 1st and 2nd team in the Atlantic plays each other after the season with the winner playing in the Conference Champs game against the Coastal playoff winner?

or you go to 4 divisions and have the winner of each of the 4 play in the semi finals with the finals sending the winner to the orange bowl.

maybe we keep a floating schedule for the last week of the regular season to accomodate last minute match-ups of the 4 division winners.

quick - how would you break out your 4 divisions (assuming texas as the 16th team, natch)

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:3 divisions makes no sense. Makes no logistical sense... makes no commercial sense... makes no college playoff sense.

However, is it possible that this could open the door to an in-conference playoff... essentially the 1st and 2nd team in the Atlantic plays each other after the season with the winner playing in the Conference Champs game against the Coastal playoff winner?

or you go to 4 divisions and have the winner of each of the 4 play in the semi finals with the finals sending the winner to the orange bowl.

maybe we keep a floating schedule for the last week of the regular season to accomodate last minute match-ups of the 4 division winners.

quick - how would you break out your 4 divisions (assuming texas as the 16th team, natch)

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:it's been quiet around here lately. with huang dead, you & owl bumping uglies (with each other) in aslandia, and bme having worthless body parts removed i thought we needed to add some kindling to some of the stupider fires around here.

hence, i stoked the "acc realignment" and "hanlan won't go to the nba" fires a little yesterday. neither one really took.

stupid off-season after another disappointing season

dtwalrus {l Wrote}:GOING FULL OFFSEASON CRAZY!

Summary Post!!!


Option #1: Championship Game Deregulation, 4-Team ACC Playoffs, and Notre Dame + Penn St as Full Members.
1a) Assuming Proper Divisions: each division winner gets a semi-final spot.
- ACC North: ND, BC, Syracuse, Penn St
- ACC Central: UVa, VT, Pitt, Louisville
- ACC South One: Clemson, GT, NCST, UNC
- ACC South Two: FSU, Maimi, Wake, Duke

1b) Assuming Pod Schedule: top 4 overall teams selected for semi-finals regardless of pod.
- ACC North: ND, BC, Syracuse, Penn St
- ACC Central: UVa, VT, Pitt, Louisville
- ACC Carolina: Wake, Duke, NCST, UNC
- ACC South: FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson


Option #2: Championship Game Deregulation, 4-Team ACC Playoffs, and Notre Dame + Texas as Full Members.
2a) Assuming Proper Divisions: each division winner gets a semi-final spot.
- ACC Private: ND, BC, Syracuse, Texas
- ACC Central: UVa, VT, Pitt, Louisville
- ACC South One: Clemson, GT, NCST, UNC
- ACC South Two: FSU, Miami, Wake, Duke

2b) Assuming Pod Schedule: top 4 overall teams selected for semi-finals regardless of pod.
- ACC Outsiders: ND, BC, Syracuse, Pitt
- ACC Non-Tobacco-Road-Traditional-ACC: UVa, VT, GT, Clemson
- ACC Proper: Wake, Duke, NCST, UNC
- ACC Baby Rapists: FSU, Miami, Texas, Louisville


Option #3: Championship Game Deregulation, 4-Team ACC Playoffs, and Notre Dame + Cincinnati as Full Members.

3a) Assuming Proper Divisions: each division winner assured a semi-final spot.
- ACC Big East: ND, BC, Syracuse, Miami
- ACC Central: UVa, VT, Pitt, Cincinnati
- ACC South One B: Clemson, GT, NCST, UNC
- ACC South Two B: FSU, Louisville, Wake, Duke

3b) Assuming Pod Scheduling: top 4 overall teams selected for semi-finals regardless of pod.
- ACC Big East: ND, BC, Syracuse, Miami
- ACC Central: UVa, VT, Pitt, Cincinnati
- ACC Carolina: Wake, Duke, NCST, UNC
- ACC South: FSU, Louisville, GT, Clemson

Personal preference:
1. Option 1b - Penn St and Pods: Great rivals for BC and generally the entire conference. If BC does well, w/ Penn St and ND, we'd get in the semi-finals most likely. Top spot because I think it's best for the conference to prioritize regular season rivalry games over division parity for the semi-finals.
2. Option 1a - Penn St and Divisions: Generally not as good for the ACC, don't like the Southern Divisions, but great schedule for BC and guaranteed a semi-final spot if we win a winnable division. Very unlikely given how much this screws all the N. Carolina schools in terms of competitiveness and rivalries.
3. Option 2b - Texas and Pods: Decent BC rivals, conference looks really awesome on the whole, but we'd be labelled the weak division...and BC would likely get passed over for a semi-final spot most years.
4. Option 3a - Cincinnati and Divisions: Great BC rivals, only one weaker division (Central), BC could win the Big East division and play in semi-final regularly.
5. Option 3b - Cincinnati and Pods: Great BC rivals, but the conference looks like it has 1great division and 2 middling divisions and 1 bad division (Carolina).
6. Option 2b - Texas and Divisions: Totally selfish, but I think this is death for BC. Texas, ND and Syracuse would be great on the schedule, but we'd almost never make the semi-finals. Maybe there's a better arrangement of teams for the "Texas and Divisions" option, but I don't see it. And Swofford would absolutely drool over this option! Most years' semi-finals would be ND/Texas vs. FSU/Clemson and VT/Louisville vs. Miami/GT or some other combination of those 8 teams. That's a sexy semi-final slate of games.

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:Are we getting kicked out of the ACC?

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

dtwalrus {l Wrote}:GOING FULL OFFSEASON CRAZY!

Summary Post!!!


Option #1: Championship Game Deregulation, 4-Team ACC Playoffs, and Notre Dame + Penn St as Full Members.
1a) Assuming Proper Divisions: each division winner gets a semi-final spot.
- ACC North: ND, BC, Syracuse, Penn St
- ACC Central: UVa, VT, Pitt, Louisville
- ACC South One: Clemson, GT, NCST, UNC
- ACC South Two: FSU, Maimi, Wake, Duke

1b) Assuming Pod Schedule: top 4 overall teams selected for semi-finals regardless of pod.
- ACC North: ND, BC, Syracuse, Penn St
- ACC Central: UVa, VT, Pitt, Louisville
- ACC Carolina: Wake, Duke, NCST, UNC
- ACC South: FSU, Miami, GT, Clemson


Option #2: Championship Game Deregulation, 4-Team ACC Playoffs, and Notre Dame + Texas as Full Members.
2a) Assuming Proper Divisions: each division winner gets a semi-final spot.
- ACC Private: ND, BC, Syracuse, Texas
- ACC Central: UVa, VT, Pitt, Louisville
- ACC South One: Clemson, GT, NCST, UNC
- ACC South Two: FSU, Miami, Wake, Duke

2b) Assuming Pod Schedule: top 4 overall teams selected for semi-finals regardless of pod.
- ACC Outsiders: ND, BC, Syracuse, Pitt
- ACC Non-Tobacco-Road-Traditional-ACC: UVa, VT, GT, Clemson
- ACC Proper: Wake, Duke, NCST, UNC
- ACC Baby Rapists: FSU, Miami, Texas, Louisville


Option #3: Championship Game Deregulation, 4-Team ACC Playoffs, and Notre Dame + Cincinnati as Full Members.

3a) Assuming Proper Divisions: each division winner assured a semi-final spot.
- ACC Big East: ND, BC, Syracuse, Miami
- ACC Central: UVa, VT, Pitt, Cincinnati
- ACC South One B: Clemson, GT, NCST, UNC
- ACC South Two B: FSU, Louisville, Wake, Duke

3b) Assuming Pod Scheduling: top 4 overall teams selected for semi-finals regardless of pod.
- ACC Big East: ND, BC, Syracuse, Miami
- ACC Central: UVa, VT, Pitt, Cincinnati
- ACC Carolina: Wake, Duke, NCST, UNC
- ACC South: FSU, Louisville, GT, Clemson

Personal preference:
1. Option 1b - Penn St and Pods: Great rivals for BC and generally the entire conference. If BC does well, w/ Penn St and ND, we'd get in the semi-finals most likely. Top spot because I think it's best for the conference to prioritize regular season rivalry games over division parity for the semi-finals.
2. Option 1a - Penn St and Divisions: Generally not as good for the ACC, don't like the Southern Divisions, but great schedule for BC and guaranteed a semi-final spot if we win a winnable division. Very unlikely given how much this screws all the N. Carolina schools in terms of competitiveness and rivalries.
3. Option 2b - Texas and Pods: Decent BC rivals, conference looks really awesome on the whole, but we'd be labelled the weak division...and BC would likely get passed over for a semi-final spot most years.
4. Option 3a - Cincinnati and Divisions: Great BC rivals, only one weaker division (Central), BC could win the Big East division and play in semi-final regularly.
5. Option 3b - Cincinnati and Pods: Great BC rivals, but the conference looks like it has 1great division and 2 middling divisions and 1 bad division (Carolina).
6. Option 2b - Texas and Divisions: Totally selfish, but I think this is death for BC. Texas, ND and Syracuse would be great on the schedule, but we'd almost never make the semi-finals. Maybe there's a better arrangement of teams for the "Texas and Divisions" option, but I don't see it. And Swofford would absolutely drool over this option! Most years' semi-finals would be ND/Texas vs. FSU/Clemson and VT/Louisville vs. Miami/GT or some other combination of those 8 teams. That's a sexy semi-final slate of games.

What the hell is going on here

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:jesus christ is 81 back?