Official Gameday Thread - BC vs. Wake Forest - 10/25/2014

[twballgame9]

chip has PLENTY of offensive talent

day does not have much defensive talent

this is obvious to anybody who is not blind

Yup. 18th in country on d too

[hansen]

Day is an enigma.
Sometimes he comes up with great play calls out of interesting formations; othertimes he looks like a high school JV coach. I can't figure him out.

Brown's system is frustrating at times (with the blitzing every down) when it doesn't work but I've seen the results this year when we drop into full coverage and it's not pretty. CSU game is a harsh reminder of this. So, I guess we are left with few options on defense this year.

Regardless, the results have been generally positive this year even if the games haven't all been pretty. We are 5-3 going into November. We have a good chance to split the next four and finish at 7-5. Not bad for a rebuilding year.

[EagleNYC]

Brown has done a good overall job. His inability to stop any post or crossing pattern is still worthy of scorn. Day has such talent on offensve that the point production is a sin. No two ways about it.

[twballgame9]

Day is an enigma.
Sometimes he comes up with great play calls out of interesting formations; othertimes he looks like a high school JV coach. I can't figure him out.

Brown's system is frustrating at times (with the blitzing every down) when it doesn't work but I've seen the results this year when we drop into full coverage and it's not pretty. CSU game is a harsh reminder of this. So, I guess we are left with few options on defense this year.

Regardless, the results have been generally positive this year even if the games haven't all been pretty. We are 5-3 going into November. We have a good chance to split the next four and finish at 7-5. Not bad for a rebuilding year.

That's great in a vacuum. On the field they should be 7 & 1. That's on the o.

[Iggle]

it seems like the expectation is that unless the D is absolutely dominant, it's bad. The talent is not there, but the D has definitely been getting the job done.

[BCdee]

Day is an enigma.
Sometimes he comes up with great play calls out of interesting formations; othertimes he looks like a high school JV coach. I can't figure him out.

Brown's system is frustrating at times (with the blitzing every down) when it doesn't work but I've seen the results this year when we drop into full coverage and it's not pretty. CSU game is a harsh reminder of this. So, I guess we are left with few options on defense this year.

Regardless, the results have been generally positive this year even if the games haven't all been pretty. We are 5-3 going into November. We have a good chance to split the next four and finish at 7-5. Not bad for a rebuilding year.

I really hope next year is our last rebuilding year.

Glad we got the win....that was waaaaaay too close. The second half sucked. But, a win is a win is a win! 5 and 3 baby!

[ATLeagle]

Day is an enigma.
Sometimes he comes up with great play calls out of interesting formations; othertimes he looks like a high school JV coach. I can't figure him out.

Brown's system is frustrating at times (with the blitzing every down) when it doesn't work but I've seen the results this year when we drop into full coverage and it's not pretty. CSU game is a harsh reminder of this. So, I guess we are left with few options on defense this year.

Regardless, the results have been generally positive this year even if the games haven't all been pretty. We are 5-3 going into November. We have a good chance to split the next four and finish at 7-5. Not bad for a rebuilding year.

I really hope next year is our last rebuilding year.

Glad we got the win....that was waaaaaay too close. The second half sucked. But, a win is a win is a win! 5 and 3 baby!

Year 3 is not a rebuilding year. At that point it is Daz's roster. In BC history and at most programs Year 3 is the best indicator of what you can expect long-term.

[eepstein0]

Day is an enigma.
Sometimes he comes up with great play calls out of interesting formations; othertimes he looks like a high school JV coach. I can't figure him out.

Brown's system is frustrating at times (with the blitzing every down) when it doesn't work but I've seen the results this year when we drop into full coverage and it's not pretty. CSU game is a harsh reminder of this. So, I guess we are left with few options on defense this year.

Regardless, the results have been generally positive this year even if the games haven't all been pretty. We are 5-3 going into November. We have a good chance to split the next four and finish at 7-5. Not bad for a rebuilding year.

I really hope next year is our last rebuilding year.

Glad we got the win....that was waaaaaay too close. The second half sucked. But, a win is a win is a win! 5 and 3 baby!

Year 3 is not a rebuilding year. At that point it is Daz's roster. In BC history and at most programs Year 3 is the best indicator of what you can expect long-term.

With an untested sophomore quarterback? I give him slack due to the complete and utter sham the program was when he took over. I also think it's unfair to place high expectations on an inexperienced So qb. Every situation is different and the circumstances should mean that year 3 be considered the final rebuild year. If not rebuild the final building(?) year before the what we see is what we get mentality should take over.

7/8 wins next year and I'm thrilled

This. 5 new OL and a sophomore QB could be rough

[JConman]

Day is an enigma.
Sometimes he comes up with great play calls out of interesting formations; othertimes he looks like a high school JV coach. I can't figure him out.

Brown's system is frustrating at times (with the blitzing every down) when it doesn't work but I've seen the results this year when we drop into full coverage and it's not pretty. CSU game is a harsh reminder of this. So, I guess we are left with few options on defense this year.

Regardless, the results have been generally positive this year even if the games haven't all been pretty. We are 5-3 going into November. We have a good chance to split the next four and finish at 7-5. Not bad for a rebuilding year.

I think that Daz is by nature very conservative. I think he reigns Day in at times.

[twballgame9]

Day is an enigma.
Sometimes he comes up with great play calls out of interesting formations; othertimes he looks like a high school JV coach. I can't figure him out.

Brown's system is frustrating at times (with the blitzing every down) when it doesn't work but I've seen the results this year when we drop into full coverage and it's not pretty. CSU game is a harsh reminder of this. So, I guess we are left with few options on defense this year.

Regardless, the results have been generally positive this year even if the games haven't all been pretty. We are 5-3 going into November. We have a good chance to split the next four and finish at 7-5. Not bad for a rebuilding year.

I think that Daz is by nature very conservatiyve. I think he reigns Day in at times.

Ha.

[rktbrkr]

This. 5 new OL and a sophomore QB could be rough

Maybe Williams will come back so maybe only 4 new OL but none of the 5 graduating starters is NFL draft material. This OL plays well against weak DLs but gets chewed up by talented DLs.

Maybe we can get s'more grad students from U FL to buck things up again.

[rktbrkr]

Beating Wake by 6 is pretty f'ugly

I see 2 definite losses. If they lose to VT they will probably close out with a 4 game losing streak esp if SU QB is back

[eagle9903]

Beating Wake by 6 is pretty f'ugly

I see 2 definite losses. If they lose to VT they will probably close out with a 4 game losing streak esp if SU QB is back

Shut the fuck up.

[eagletx]

Second half was an abomination on both sides of the ball. And the BC secondary is as bad as I have ever witnessed, and I've witnessed some pretty miserable secondaries.

Whoever suggested that Das reigns in the offense at times may be on to something. Either that or Day is a total chicken shut, land that's on Das as well. There is no rational reason why BC should not have run that team into the ground. That was a terribly managed game in the second half!

[BCMurt09]

I think we all know the announcers were leaning pretty heavily Wake Forest at the end there, but can we talk a minute about hie they compared us to Ivan fucking Drago at the end. And called Wake Forest Rocky? WTF

[TobaccoRoadEagle]

I think we all know the announcers were leaning pretty heavily Wake Forest at the end there, but can we talk a minute about hie they compared us to Ivan fucking Drago at the end. And called Wake Forest Rocky? WTF

Seriously... Wake should have been the iron sheik to our sgt slaughter.

[DavidGordonsFoot]

Beating Wake by 6 is pretty f'ugly

I see 2 definite losses. If they lose to VT they will probably close out with a 4 game losing streak esp if SU QB is back

You are fucking lost.

[Bunratty]

it seems like the expectation is that unless the D is absolutely dominant, it's bad. The talent is not there, but the D has definitely been getting the job done.

The D has done jackshit. I don't give a rats ass about rankings, they cannot get off the field on 3rd and long (or short) and they can't stop a crossing pattern if they were given the diagram in advance. They have caught a break going against The Clempson backup and couldn't even stop Wake's true frosh. Dominant? How about fucktarding stopping Wake - the LAST ranked offense in the fucking nation?

[twballgame9]

Vt sucks. So does cuse

[twballgame9]

it seems like the expectation is that unless the D is absolutely dominant, it's bad. The talent is not there, but the D has definitely been getting the job done.

The D has done jackshit. I don't give a rats ass about rankings, they cannot get off the field on 3rd and long (or short) and they can't stop a crossing pattern if they were given the diagram in advance. They have caught a break going against The Clempson backup and couldn't even stop Wake's true frosh. Dominant? How about fucktarding stopping Wake - the LAST ranked offense in the fucking nation?

You are a fucking moron.

[commavegarage]

if were underdogs by more than a field goal against VT i will be pounding the points

[eepstein0]

Vt sucks. So does cuse

Again, Louisville also wants no part of coming up here.

Those teams do suck, but we're not awesome either.

[HJS]

it seems like the expectation is that unless the D is absolutely dominant, it's bad. The talent is not there, but the D has definitely been getting the job done.

The D has done jackshit. I don't give a rats ass about rankings, they cannot get off the field on 3rd and long (or short) and they can't stop a crossing pattern if they were given the diagram in advance. They have caught a break going against The Clempson backup and couldn't even stop Wake's true frosh. Dominant? How about fucktarding stopping Wake - the LAST ranked offense in the fucking nation?

It was a tale of two halves. BC played flawless on both sides of the ball. Just dominated Wake. Second half the D went into total fail mode and was bailed-out by that 4-play passing drive that resulted in a missed extra point.

BC's D (which has all the experience on this team outside of OL) was supposed to carry the team this year. It has during wins and hasn't during losses. It runs hot and cold intragame. Teams have largely helped us by trying to run. Clawson went to the air in the second half and we were toast. What's troubling is that Wake's O is the worst in the ACC and yet they rolled 300 2nd half yards. That is today's concern (along with the kicking game)... despite the considerable internet warrioring efforts Vinnie and teddy spend trying to defend the best Umass DC evah.

Ultimately, Don Brown's D LOOK very different than Spaz's. However, both have the same end... stop the run, prevent the deep ball and sacrifice the short-and-mid-range passes. Spaz's D was better at getting turnovers, Brown's D is better at getting sacks. Both have trouble getting off the field on 3rd down (especially 3rd and long). Both are willing to give up yards, field position and time of possession (thus having a bend don't break aspect).

[claver2010]

catching up several thoughts:

1) agree with siriuz, i like the ty meer addition.
2) to mj's looking solely at brown's D at BC want to see him with some more talent.
3) a win is a win, compared to last year this team is light years ahead on the road
4) re next year, I assume Daz will bring in some more 5th years to fill questions...esp on oline
5) my favorite moment daz yelling at the ref on the first drive after the illegal formation call: what the fuck are you doing

[eagletx]

At this point in the season, I guess I have to forget about style points, and only focus on W's and L's,
Since its pretty clear what this team is all about. One more W most likely at VT or the 'Cuse and we are bowl eligible.

Who else immediately saw that butchered PAT and thought it would come back to haunt?

[commavegarage]

i love how somehow experience = talent.

the defense is indeed very experienced. that doesn't make it talented.

[twballgame9]

It's definitely frustrating to watch BC give up third downs on defense because they lack the talent to cover anyone and the blitz can't cover the talent deficiencies every time. It's not as frustrating as not burying a team with the offense when you have a chance and plenty of talent to do so.

Brown didn't get the defense equivalent of the best running QB in the country, nor are any of his frosh as big in terms of impact players as Hilliman and Alston and Outlow have been. And as all have mentioned, especially HJS, the one position that Spaz actually left some talent and depth was the O-Line.

The reason I crap on the O and give the D a pass is that the D is actually playing better with far less talent. Yes, they are infuriating at times when they don't blitz and guys run free all over the place, or they don't get to the QB and guys run all over the place, but overall, it's been pretty good. Good enough that they probably should be 6-2 or 7-1 right now, despite any deficiencies.

[twballgame9]

On another note, Kavalec and Landry are going to be nasty next year. D-Line could be really good.

[HJS]

i love how somehow experience = talent.

the defense is indeed very experienced. that doesn't make it talented.

I love how very experienced = talent when discussing the offense but not the D.

I'll sum up all of vinnyballgame's numerous posts in one:

Offense has all the talent. Just look at all the 5th years on the OLine. Whereas, Brown is working miracles with terrible Spaz talent that has been playing the same roles under Spaz.

They need to get the ball the hands of Alston. Fucking Day... Why would you ever call a flanker screen? Yeah really surprised folks with that sweep. You suck!

We have one of the greatest stable of RBs we've ever had. Why the fuck is Day handing the ball to Hilliman again? Why is Rouse in the game? Now we know why Outlow doesn't see much PT. Effing Willis can't hold onto the ball or break a tackle. Why does Day have him out there? He should be sitting next to Rouse on the bench. Give the ball exclusively to the freshmen.

Our OLine is the strength of the team. Why the fuck is Day trying to run the ball between the tackles? [Note: I find it particularly comical when vinnyballgame complains up where we run the ball. 90% of our runs are off the option. Murph's reading of the D often determines if the run is inside or outside. For the record, despite being collateral damage of the idiots' complaints, I think he has a damn good job managing our run game this year.]

You have to mix it up on offense. Why the fuck are we attempting to pass when we know we don't have receivers who can catch?

You got to give Brown a pass. He doesn't have DBs who can play football. You have to give him time to get his guys into the program. This is how bad Day sucks... he plays experienced WRs who can't catch. For fucksake... put in the goddamn sickly talented frosh WRs. Anything is better!



Again, for the record, I hated the Day hire, but think he's done pretty well adjusting the offense around the talent (though I'm sure Daz has a lot of influence on both the good and bad of the O). I loved the Brown hire but have been underwhelmed (mainly because he hasn't adjusted around his talent). I also, for the record (unlike ATL and vinnyballgame), want neither to be head coach after Daz. I just find the arguments against Day and excuses for Brown to be EA-level duplicitous. Then again, I shouldn't be surprised given the liberal Dem supporters posting them.

[HJS]

It's definitely frustrating to watch BC give up third downs on defense because they lack the talent to cover anyone and the blitz can't cover the talent deficiencies every time. It's not as frustrating as not burying a team with the offense when you have a chance and plenty of talent to do so.

Brown didn't get the defense equivalent of the best running QB in the country, nor are any of his frosh as big in terms of impact players as Hilliman and Alston and Outlow have been. And as all have mentioned, especially HJS, the one position that Spaz actually left some talent and depth was the O-Line.

The reason I crap on the O and give the D a pass is that the D is actually playing better with far less talent. Yes, they are infuriating at times when they don't blitz and guys run free all over the place, or they don't get to the QB and guys run all over the place, but overall, it's been pretty good. Good enough that they probably should be 6-2 or 7-1 right now, despite any deficiencies.

I just want to say I didn't read this until after my post. But, it's timing was perfect and it's predictability IB-esque. Thanks.