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dtwalrus {l Wrote}:I noticed today that Vanderbilt lost Jackson Perry, a 3* DT recruit...to Dartmouth. We still need help on the DLine? Is there an opportunity here if the kid wants a great education while playing football in Mass?

So he should be looking at Harvard..... or Tufts then. If he flipped from Vandy to Dartmouth, BC is not on his radar and most likely due to academics.

So... I guess for Millennials... Tufts has risen above Dartmouth and is now the academic peer of Harvard. Folks in Somerville must be doing mad work on Instagram and the comment section of Vox to have so considerably raised Tuft's rep among the basement-dwellers.

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StratEagle {l Wrote}:Hate to sound like I am delivering news from Houston (this actually happened), but I wouldn't worry about Wyatt Ray. Brother bumped into his mom wearing a BC sweatshirt down in Florida and had a quick chat about BC with her. Seems solid.

This is right up there with the time I was in Fayetteville, NC (Landry's hometown and not a place with anything resembling a BC pipeline for football players or regular students) around the time Landry was supposedly wavering and drove past a middle-aged black woman with a gigantic BC decal on the back of her car, so large it didn't fit on the rear windshield and wrapped down onto the trunk itself. Honked and gave her a thumbs up (was very tempted to take both hands off the wheel to give the Eagle hand symbol), and at that point I knew we had nothing to worry about

31southst {l Wrote}:According to EA, Wyatt Ray is no longer looking around. Ray admitted leaning towards flipping at one point but now says he's definitely coming to BC. Good job by the staff re-recruiting him here as the DL would be in even worse shape without him.

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31southst {l Wrote}:According to EA, Wyatt Ray is no longer looking around. Ray admitted leaning towards flipping at one point but now says he's definitely coming to BC. Good job by the staff re-recruiting him here as the DL would be in even worse shape without him.

Absolutely huge need. Glad we retained him. I still think that missing out on Wilkins was a gut shot to this class. It could have been lessened if we landed another DT like Crawford. But, to miss out on Wilkins (who would have played significant minutes next year) and not replace him... well... that is simply a poor job by the staff to put all their eggs in one basket (which is a strategy that has NEVER worked for BC even though TOB/Jags/Spaz often employed it). I occasionally heard a rumbling that we were trying to flip someone, those died down and it seems highly unlikely something would happen in the last week.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Below average compared to what? If it is the average of the last 6 years, it is well above average. If it is the average of the last 10-15 years, it looks pretty normal to me. It is not as good as last year's class because there are no headliners (which is a miss on the staff's part) and because it is intentionally O-Line heavy.

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Below average compared to what? If it is the average of the last 6 years, it is well above average. If it is the average of the last 10-15 years, it looks pretty normal to me. It is not as good as last year's class because there are no headliners (which is a miss on the staff's part) and because it is intentionally O-Line heavy.

Below average of the past decade excluding Spaz's last two years (which aren't a fair comparison for any Power Five school). Maybe it's average but I don't see how you can call it well above average, which is disappointing given Addazio's supposed strength as a recruiter and the fact that there is positive momentum around the team as a whole.

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Below average compared to what? If it is the average of the last 6 years, it is well above average. If it is the average of the last 10-15 years, it looks pretty normal to me. It is not as good as last year's class because there are no headliners (which is a miss on the staff's part) and because it is intentionally O-Line heavy.

Below average of the past decade excluding Spaz's last two years (which aren't a fair comparison for any Power Five school). Maybe it's average but I don't see how you can call it well above average, which is disappointing given Addazio's supposed strength as a recruiter and the fact that there is positive momentum around the team as a whole.

It's well above average compared to almost any Spaz class, that was the point. Looks pretty comparable to all but a few of TOB's classes, one of Jags' and last years' class. Those classes were defined by headliners, the Toals, the Callenders, the Josh Hadens, the Jon Hillimans. The rest of the classes look pretty similar to this one.

Like I said, heavy o-line and misses on the 3-4 premier guys you target, and the class becomes average quickly.

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Below average compared to what? If it is the average of the last 6 years, it is well above average. If it is the average of the last 10-15 years, it looks pretty normal to me. It is not as good as last year's class because there are no headliners (which is a miss on the staff's part) and because it is intentionally O-Line heavy.

Below average of the past decade excluding Spaz's last two years (which aren't a fair comparison for any Power Five school). Maybe it's average but I don't see how you can call it well above average, which is disappointing given Addazio's supposed strength as a recruiter and the fact that there is positive momentum around the team as a whole.

It's well above average compared to almost any Spaz class, that was the point. Looks pretty comparable to all but a few of TOB's classes, one of Jags' and last years' class. Those classes were defined by headliners, the Toals, the Callenders, the Josh Hadens, the Jon Hillimans. The rest of the classes look pretty similar to this one.

Like I said, heavy o-line and misses on the 3-4 premier guys you target, and the class becomes average quickly.

I guess I don't disagree overall but I think you're writing off missing the 3-4 top end guys we should be getting each year (and that we did in fact get last year coming off of a 2-10 season) too lightly. Said another way, I think this class is worse than Addazio's first despite having much more to sell, which is disappointing.

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Below average compared to what? If it is the average of the last 6 years, it is well above average. If it is the average of the last 10-15 years, it looks pretty normal to me. It is not as good as last year's class because there are no headliners (which is a miss on the staff's part) and because it is intentionally O-Line heavy.

Below average of the past decade excluding Spaz's last two years (which aren't a fair comparison for any Power Five school). Maybe it's average but I don't see how you can call it well above average, which is disappointing given Addazio's supposed strength as a recruiter and the fact that there is positive momentum around the team as a whole.

It's well above average compared to almost any Spaz class, that was the point. Looks pretty comparable to all but a few of TOB's classes, one of Jags' and last years' class. Those classes were defined by headliners, the Toals, the Callenders, the Josh Hadens, the Jon Hillimans. The rest of the classes look pretty similar to this one.

Like I said, heavy o-line and misses on the 3-4 premier guys you target, and the class becomes average quickly.

I guess I don't disagree overall but I think you're writing off missing the 3-4 top end guys we should be getting each year (and that we did in fact get last year coming off of a 2-10 season) too lightly. Said another way, I think this class is worse than Addazio's first despite having much more to sell, which is disappointing.

I think he was targeting things in this class that don't lend themselves to star rankings. He needed to fill out the roster and rebuild the line. He needed to take another shot at finding some playmakers in the secondary and at WR, two positions none of those coaches landed highly regarded recruits.

Wilkins was a huge loss, but other than that, this class doesn't bother me and got done what they needed to get done.

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Below average compared to what? If it is the average of the last 6 years, it is well above average. If it is the average of the last 10-15 years, it looks pretty normal to me. It is not as good as last year's class because there are no headliners (which is a miss on the staff's part) and because it is intentionally O-Line heavy.

Below average of the past decade excluding Spaz's last two years (which aren't a fair comparison for any Power Five school). Maybe it's average but I don't see how you can call it well above average, which is disappointing given Addazio's supposed strength as a recruiter and the fact that there is positive momentum around the team as a whole.

It's well above average compared to almost any Spaz class, that was the point. Looks pretty comparable to all but a few of TOB's classes, one of Jags' and last years' class. Those classes were defined by headliners, the Toals, the Callenders, the Josh Hadens, the Jon Hillimans. The rest of the classes look pretty similar to this one.

Like I said, heavy o-line and misses on the 3-4 premier guys you target, and the class becomes average quickly.

I guess I don't disagree overall but I think you're writing off missing the 3-4 top end guys we should be getting each year (and that we did in fact get last year coming off of a 2-10 season) too lightly. Said another way, I think this class is worse than Addazio's first despite having much more to sell, which is disappointing.

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Below average compared to what? If it is the average of the last 6 years, it is well above average. If it is the average of the last 10-15 years, it looks pretty normal to me. It is not as good as last year's class because there are no headliners (which is a miss on the staff's part) and because it is intentionally O-Line heavy.

Below average of the past decade excluding Spaz's last two years (which aren't a fair comparison for any Power Five school). Maybe it's average but I don't see how you can call it well above average, which is disappointing given Addazio's supposed strength as a recruiter and the fact that there is positive momentum around the team as a whole.

It's well above average compared to almost any Spaz class, that was the point. Looks pretty comparable to all but a few of TOB's classes, one of Jags' and last years' class. Those classes were defined by headliners, the Toals, the Callenders, the Josh Hadens, the Jon Hillimans. The rest of the classes look pretty similar to this one.

Like I said, heavy o-line and misses on the 3-4 premier guys you target, and the class becomes average quickly.

I guess I don't disagree overall but I think you're writing off missing the 3-4 top end guys we should be getting each year (and that we did in fact get last year coming off of a 2-10 season) too lightly. Said another way, I think this class is worse than Addazio's first despite having much more to sell, which is disappointing.

I think the lack of obvious early playing time at RB, QB and LB is a negative in year two and needs to be factored in as opposed to just comparing 2-10 with 6-6 in a vacuum. I also think this class gets dinged by Gowins treatment on paper, perhaps justifiably perhaps not.

RB should be a consistent punch above weight position at BC especially in light of the Andre Williams Heisman invite, the obscene numbers etc. I think it is the position where a Hilliman type (huge offers and many stars) recruit will most often be found. By accepting a commitment from Gowins, a no offer 2 star in early April, and deciding to close out the RB class with one, which may have been a mistake or may have been genius, this class ends up without one obvious "top end guy" on paper. Similarly, OL recruits shutting down recruiting early probably means no possibility of a late star addition or crazy offers. Apparently John Philips was like 6'6 240 when he committed and is now like 10'2 800 pounds, but he hasn't been open to recruiting so he remains a no offer two star.

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twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Below average compared to what? If it is the average of the last 6 years, it is well above average. If it is the average of the last 10-15 years, it looks pretty normal to me. It is not as good as last year's class because there are no headliners (which is a miss on the staff's part) and because it is intentionally O-Line heavy.

Below average of the past decade excluding Spaz's last two years (which aren't a fair comparison for any Power Five school). Maybe it's average but I don't see how you can call it well above average, which is disappointing given Addazio's supposed strength as a recruiter and the fact that there is positive momentum around the team as a whole.

It's well above average compared to almost any Spaz class, that was the point. Looks pretty comparable to all but a few of TOB's classes, one of Jags' and last years' class. Those classes were defined by headliners, the Toals, the Callenders, the Josh Hadens, the Jon Hillimans. The rest of the classes look pretty similar to this one.

Like I said, heavy o-line and misses on the 3-4 premier guys you target, and the class becomes average quickly.

I guess I don't disagree overall but I think you're writing off missing the 3-4 top end guys we should be getting each year (and that we did in fact get last year coming off of a 2-10 season) too lightly. Said another way, I think this class is worse than Addazio's first despite having much more to sell, which is disappointing.

I think the lack of obvious early playing time at RB, QB and LB is a negative in year two and needs to be factored in as opposed to just comparing 2-10 with 6-6 in a vacuum. I also think this class gets dinged by Gowins treatment on paper, perhaps justifiably perhaps not.

RB should be a consistent punch above weight position at BC especially in light of the Andre Williams Heisman invite, the obscene numbers etc. I think it is the position where a Hilliman type (huge offers and many stars) recruit will most often be found. By accepting a commitment from Gowins, a no offer 2 star in early April, and deciding to close out the RB class with one, which may have been a mistake or may have been genius, this class ends up without one obvious "top end guy" on paper. Similarly, OL recruits shutting down recruiting early probably means no possibility of a late star addition or crazy offers. Apparently John Philips was like 6'6 240 when he committed and is now like 10'2 800 pounds, but he hasn't been open to recruiting so he remains a no offer two star.

I hate when we agree

eepstein0 {l Wrote}:The type of lineman BC is targeting is not going to grade well by recruiting services.

BC is looking for lighter lineman with great quick athleticism. (Lindstrom, Phillips, etc.). They can redshirt them and get them to put on good weight. Since we pull guards, etc. all the time it should work ok

HJS {l Wrote}:Pats State.

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HJS {l Wrote}:Pats State.

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HJS {l Wrote}:Pats State.

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hinghameagle {l Wrote}:Maybe a weird opinion here, but should we start looking at BC's classes in a different way than most schools look at theirs. For instance if BC had the choice of adding say Julio Jones to this roster or whoever is the best left tackle or guard, most schools and most recruiting sites would go for Jones ten times out of ten. For BC, a team with a qb who wasn't accurate, Jones would have been wasted, but the way BC plays, a phenomenal offensive lineman would have made a huge difference. Should offensive lineman be to BC, what skill players are to other schools. The "playmakers" in our class. Our receivers are put on the field to block, and on occasion to catch a pass. What good does a 4.3 speed guy do in our offense if he is 165 pounds and cant block. He isn't going to see the field, and the type of offense BC runs isn't going to be attractive to that type of recruit. Bc will value the in line tight ends, more than the new hybrid WR/TE's. Tight ends who catch passes and can run are always more highly rated than blocking tight ends.

The way historically Bc has used their Cb's and safeties is less on speed and more on positioning and solid tackling. I don't care for it, but Bc will give you the 8 yard outs all day, they just don't want to give you the 25 yard completions. Cb's who don't run exceptionally fast are not going to get ranked well.

This may sound like I am giving Dazz an out, and I am not. Bc needs upgrades at almost all positions across the board, and their inability to land high end DT, or pass rusher(Wyatt?) is a concern.

Daz wants to throw more and this type of receiver would find time so long as we have a QB who can throw (hopefully wade). I believe that the OL's we had at WR last year were due to coaching a scheme to work around a dearth of talent rather than Daz implementing his ideal scheme 100%.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:the important question is whether wade can catch a pass from a tight end with the game on the line or not

THIS IS IMPORTANT

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dtwalrus {l Wrote}:I noticed today that Vanderbilt lost Jackson Perry, a 3* DT recruit...to Dartmouth. We still need help on the DLine? Is there an opportunity here if the kid wants a great education while playing football in Mass?

So he should be looking at Harvard..... or Tufts then. If he flipped from Vandy to Dartmouth, BC is not on his radar and most likely due to academics.

So... I guess for Millennials... Tufts has risen above Dartmouth and is now the academic peer of Harvard. Folks in Somerville must be doing mad work on Instagram and the comment section of Vox to have so considerably raised Tuft's rep among the basement-dwellers.

Not above dartmouth but damn near equal footing. Harvard is still number 1 though!

http://admissions.tufts.edu/apply/accep ... t-profile/

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hinghameagle {l Wrote}:Maybe a weird opinion here, but should we start looking at BC's classes in a different way than most schools look at theirs. For instance if BC had the choice of adding say Julio Jones to this roster or whoever is the best left tackle or guard, most schools and most recruiting sites would go for Jones ten times out of ten. For BC, a team with a qb who wasn't accurate, Jones would have been wasted, but the way BC plays, a phenomenal offensive lineman would have made a huge difference. Should offensive lineman be to BC, what skill players are to other schools. The "playmakers" in our class. Our receivers are put on the field to block, and on occasion to catch a pass. What good does a 4.3 speed guy do in our offense if he is 165 pounds and cant block. He isn't going to see the field, and the type of offense BC runs isn't going to be attractive to that type of recruit. Bc will value the in line tight ends, more than the new hybrid WR/TE's. Tight ends who catch passes and can run are always more highly rated than blocking tight ends.

The way historically Bc has used their Cb's and safeties is less on speed and more on positioning and solid tackling. I don't care for it, but Bc will give you the 8 yard outs all day, they just don't want to give you the 25 yard completions. Cb's who don't run exceptionally fast are not going to get ranked well.

This may sound like I am giving Dazz an out, and I am not. Bc needs upgrades at almost all positions across the board, and their inability to land high end DT, or pass rusher(Wyatt?) is a concern.

Daz wants to throw more and this type of receiver would find time so long as we have a QB who can throw (hopefully wade). I believe that the OL's we had at WR last year were due to coaching a scheme to work around a dearth of talent rather than Daz implementing his ideal scheme 100%.

Yes. Wade is not the athlete Murphy was but looks to have a better arm. BC wants to be able to throw.

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dtwalrus {l Wrote}:I noticed today that Vanderbilt lost Jackson Perry, a 3* DT recruit...to Dartmouth. We still need help on the DLine? Is there an opportunity here if the kid wants a great education while playing football in Mass?

So he should be looking at Harvard..... or Tufts then. If he flipped from Vandy to Dartmouth, BC is not on his radar and most likely due to academics.

So... I guess for Millennials... Tufts has risen above Dartmouth and is now the academic peer of Harvard. Folks in Somerville must be doing mad work on Instagram and the comment section of Vox to have so considerably raised Tuft's rep among the basement-dwellers.

Not above dartmouth but damn near equal footing. Harvard is still number 1 though!

http://admissions.tufts.edu/apply/accep ... t-profile/

It's all about the benjamins, baby.

Tufts endowment (2013) 1.44 biillion
BC endowment (2013) 1.8 billion (41st)

source. ibpedia

Endowment per student is a better stat than endowment. Harvard 1.3 million, Tufts 94K, Boston College 87 K, Culinary Institute of America 15K, Rutgers 15K

http://www.ordoludus.com/quality.php