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Sanity Restored...

Postby EagleDave on Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:42 pm

Manziel for Heisman.

Being the 2nd or 3rd best player on your own team is apparently not good enough to win the award.
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Re: Sanity Restored...

Postby apbc12 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:16 am

I can't believe how much some of you people cared about this.


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Re: Sanity Restored...

Postby gallopingghost on Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:24 am

Johnny Football, duel threat QB. They are so unpredictable, might get hurt. Good thing Spaz never fell for that. Number 2.

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Re: Sanity Restored...

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:17 pm

Fuck Johnny Football. All you fucking morons cheerleading for this kid are pathetic. Talk about a paper champion, look at his stats and who they were amassed against. Also look at his stats against Top 25 competition. He was fucking awful and the reason his team lost to 2 of the 3 Top 25 teams they played. They basically awarded the Heisman for beating the shit out of the Sam Houston States of the world and pulling one upset. Glenn Foley would have been a more worthy Heisman candidate in 1993. Colin Klein should have been enraged. He had one bad game to Johnny Drunk Driver's two bad games and meant just as much to his team. of course, Te'o never had a bad game, but fuck it, he'll be playing in the NFL while Fraudball's Heisman will be a wonderful anecdote during the CFL game of the week on TSN.
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Postby HJS on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:43 pm

A final 3 of Johnny Football, Colin Klein and Mantei Teo is one of the worst in history and makes NYAC look like geniuses for refusing to give a home for the shitass award after the Downtown Athletic Club turned into condos. Of those three, Klein should have won. But, the fact that those 3 were on the ballot just shows how truly pathetic the college football product is this year.
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Re: Sanity Restored...

Postby Logitano on Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:35 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:A final 3 of Johnny Football, Colin Klein and Mantei Teo is one of the worst in history and makes NYAC look like geniuses for giving a home for the shitass award after the Downtown Athletic Club turned into condos. Of those three, Klein should have won. But, the fact that those 3 were on the ballot just shows how truly pathetic the college football product is this year.


You mean the NYAC looks like geniuses for NOT giving a home to the heisman? :ace
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Postby gallopingghost on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:06 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Fuck Johnny Football. All you fucking morons cheerleading for this kid are pathetic. Talk about a paper champion, look at his stats and who they were amassed against. Also look at his stats against Top 25 competition. He was fucking awful and the reason his team lost to 2 of the 3 Top 25 teams they played. They basically awarded the Heisman for beating the shit out of the Sam Houston States of the world and pulling one upset. Glenn Foley would have been a more worthy Heisman candidate in 1993. Colin Klein should have been enraged. He had one bad game to Johnny Drunk Driver's two bad games and meant just as much to his team. of course, Te'o never had a bad game, but fuck it, he'll be playing in the NFL while Fraudball's Heisman will be a wonderful anecdote during the CFL game of the week on TSN.


Right, they sure play an easy schedule there in the SEC. Here are the comparitve records for Foley in 1993 and Manziel 2012:

Passing Yds TD Int Rushing Yds Rushing TDs
Manziel 3,419 24 8 1,181 19
G. Foley 3,397 25 10 (44) 0

Foley was a great QB, but to say that he was more deserving of the Heisman than Mantel is just plain fucktarded. Foley had 3 regular season losses, including a loss against Northwestern, Manziel had 2 losses (Florida and LSU) Foley also had David Green and Danrel Campbell in the backfield. The 1993 schedule included Tulane, Army, Temple and Rutgers
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Re: Sanity Restored...

Postby apbc12 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:02 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}: of course, Te'o never had a bad game.


In the last four games, Te'o averaged 5.75 tackles (3.25 solo), 0.125 sacks and 0.5 interceptions, (one of the two interceptions was on a ball tipped by a receiver crossing under Te'o's zone - this is sort of a theme in his Heisman highlight reel). Bad games? Eh, probably not, but not exactly world-beating. It's also fun to watch that super exciting goal line stand in the USC game and watch your hero do nothing.
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Re: Sanity Restored...

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:14 pm

Well, except for stuffing USC's running back on the 2nd play of the stand when there was nothing between him and the goal line but Manti Teo. But other than that, you know what the fuck you are talking about. Lest you also forget, on the previous goal line stand, he locked down Marquise Lee--you know, far and away the best receiver in the country on the critical 3rd and goal.

Here's a tip, before you open your fucking mouth actually know what you are talking about.

And ghost, it was sarcasm. With that said--what say you about Johnny Football losing the LSU game single-handedly and his shittastic game against Florida winning over a QB who also had one bad game, meant just as much to his team as Maziel did and who actually managed to lead his team to a BCS bowl. Take your ND inferiority complex out of the mix. You want to say Johnny Football and his $15 million Heisman campaign deserved it over Klein?
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Postby bchockey04 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:14 pm

apbc12 {l Wrote}:
Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}: of course, Te'o never had a bad game.


In the last four games, Te'o averaged 5.75 tackles (3.25 solo), 0.125 sacks and 0.5 interceptions, (one of the two interceptions was on a ball tipped by a receiver crossing under Te'o's zone - this is sort of a theme in his Heisman highlight reel). Bad games? Eh, probably not, but not exactly world-beating. It's also fun to watch that super exciting goal line stand in the USC game and watch your hero do nothing.


Amen. It amused me when they interviewed the 3 guys at half time of the army navy game. And the three hilites they showed for Te'o were 3 interceptions...that were all deflected, one of which he was trailing his receiver by a good 2 yards. Guy is the biggest definition of ND hype ever. He's not even the most valuable player on his own defense (Nix).
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Re: Sanity Restored...

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:17 pm

Says the schmuck with Ovechkin in his avatar.
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Postby twballgame9 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:18 pm

The idea of T'eo in the final three for the Heisman shows you how shitty the final three for the Heisman actually turned out to be.
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Re: Sanity Restored...

Postby bchockey04 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:20 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Well, except for stuffing USC's running back on the 2nd play of the stand when there was nothing between him and the goal line but Manti Teo. But other than that, you know what the fuck you are talking about. Lest you also forget, on the previous goal line stand, he locked down Marquise Lee--you know, far and away the best receiver in the country on the critical 3rd and goal.

Here's a tip, before you open your fucking mouth actually know what you are talking about.

And ghost, it was sarcasm. With that said--what say you about Johnny Football losing the LSU game single-handedly and his shittastic game against Florida winning over a QB who also had one bad game, meant just as much to his team as Maziel did and who actually managed to lead his team to a BCS bowl. Take your ND inferiority complex out of the mix. You want to say Johnny Football and his $15 million Heisman campaign deserved it over Klein?


Shitastic game against Florida? He completed 77% of his passes and ran for another 65 yards and a touchdown. No turnovers. The entire offense had a bad 2nd half -- coaches included.

That being said...i do agree Klein had just as much an argument as Manziel. Te'o shouldn't have even been in consideration. Marqise Lee was the obvious 3rd choice.
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Re: Sanity Restored...

Postby flyingelvii on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:34 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Says the schmuck with Ovechkin in his avatar.

At least Ovechkin was the best player on his team at one point in time.
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Postby gallopingghost on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:48 pm

Klein's stats in all categories were less than Johnny's. Johnny threw for 3,419 total yards with a 68% completion rate vs 2,490 yds with a 62% completion rate for Klein. Johnny rushed for 1,181 yds with 19 Tds vs 890 rushing yds with 22 TDs for Klein. The SEC is generally a tougher schedule than the B12,although it can vary from team to team. Beating Bama was more difficult than beating Oklahoma.

When I compared Johnny's 2012 to Foley's 1993 I discovered that Johnny had very similar passing numbers to Glen(who had a phenominal season, one of the all time greats after Flutie and Matty). But that in addition to these great passing numbers, Johnny rushed for 1,181 yds and 19 TDs. Darnel Campbell had a phenominal season that year as well, was the leading rusher in 1993 and rushed for 1,071 yds with 19TDs. So in effect Johnny was the evivalent of Glen Foley and Darnel Campbell combined.
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Postby Dick Rosenthal on Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:39 pm

And who did "Johnny" run up his numbers against? His numbers against the SEC were pretty meh--like his pathetic 2nd half performance against Florida. The vast majority of his numbers came against 4 teams. Can you guess which four? I'll give you a hint--they all suck with the power of 1,000,000 Hoovers.
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Postby EagleDave on Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:06 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:And who did "Johnny" run up his numbers against? His numbers against the SEC were pretty meh--like his pathetic 2nd half performance against Florida. The vast majority of his numbers came against 4 teams. Can you guess which four? I'll give you a hint--they all suck with the power of 1,000,000 Hoovers.


Florida was his 1st game as a college player and was against a team that finished among the top 5 in almost every category. It's hard to get too worked up about him not throwing for 900 yards, running for 400 more and scoring 18 TD's in that one. And he didn't exactly play a terrible game.

Meanwhile, he played spectacularly in games against SMU, Ole Miss, Louisiana Tech, Mississippi State, and Alabama. All of whom are either headed to bowl games or were bowl eligible (in the case of LaTech). And he had his signature game of the year against the best team in college football.

Teo on the other hand, had a stretch of 3 straight games where he was largely invisible (BC, Wake, Pitt) and did next to nothing on the field. He started fast and had a great impact early in the year (Oklahoma, BYU, Michigan), but as someone mentioned, he became an instrument of the ESPN/Notre Dame hype machine. By the end of the season, that's all he was. Hype.

Were it not for players like Nix allowing him to roam untouched, he wouldn't have even gotten a sniff of the Heisman.
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Postby cvilleagle on Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:14 pm

Finally have enough information to partially rocketcar Angry Dick as I have been planning for quite some time. He's either Brian or Otilla Te'o. Think I'll go with Otilla.
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Postby Dick Rosenthal on Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:33 pm

You got me Congressman Perriello.

And Dave, I didn't realize the Heisman was graded on a Freshman curve. He sucked balls against Florida. He was the reason they lost the game. Nobody disputes that fact. He was absolutely attrocious against LSU. Uncle Dave fucking bad. no one having that bad a game, that again cost his team a game the defense kept him in, should ever get to win the Heisman.

And the ESPN hype machine was purely in Johnny Drunk Driver's corner. They were poo-pooing Te'o as a candidate after an incredible performance against Oklahoma. In the meantime, they utterly covered up the fact that Manziel's numbers were built on performances against absolute dogshit teams like La Tech (one of the worst defenses in college football), SMU (ditto), Mississippi State (you see the Egg Bowl?), Sam Houston State and South Carolina State (funny you ignored that one, I wonder why? Hey, and how about his three turnover effort against Ole Miss. They also have managed to cover up the fact that Manziel is a less-than-decent person off the field (a component of the Heisman) with a juvie record and at least one DUI. And three misdemeanor charges that are still pending (disorderly, presenting a fake ID to a cop and assault).
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Postby The Knife of Asia on Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:34 pm

Weak 3, Kleins haircut had to make it difficult on voters. He looks like he just left an episode of Moonshiners... Problem is that the hype machine gets so hot, and all 3 had letdowns that make you think twice about their worthiness for the award...
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Postby gallopingghost on Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:37 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:And who did "Johnny" run up his numbers against? His numbers against the SEC were pretty meh--like his pathetic 2nd half performance against Florida. The vast majority of his numbers came against 4 teams. Can you guess which four? I'll give you a hint--they all suck with the power of 1,000,000 Hoovers.


Damn, this just keeps getting more fucktarderer and fucktarderer.

How about his performance against #12 Miss St? Let's see, 30 for 36 in passing (83% completion) for 311 yds, rushed for 129 yds with 2 TDs.

How about Arkansas? Passed for 453 yds (20 of 29 at 76%) with 3 TDs, no picks. Rushed for 104 yds and 1 rushing TD.

How about Mizzou? 32 of 44 at 72%, 372 yds 3 TDs and 1 pick. Rushed for 67 yds with 2 rushing TDs

How about Auburn? 16 of 23 (70%) for 260 yds, 2 TDs, no picks. Rushed for 90 yds with 3 rushing TDs.

Let's not forget Bama. 24 for 31 (77%) for 253 yds, 2 TDs, no picks. 92 yds rushing.
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Postby bchockey04 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:51 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:You got me Congressman Perriello.

And Dave, I didn't realize the Heisman was graded on a Freshman curve. He sucked balls against Florida. He was the reason they lost the game. Nobody disputes that fact. He was absolutely attrocious against LSU. Uncle Dave fucking bad. no one having that bad a game, that again cost his team a game the defense kept him in, should ever get to win the Heisman.

And the ESPN hype machine was purely in Johnny Drunk Driver's corner. They were poo-pooing Te'o as a candidate after an incredible performance against Oklahoma. In the meantime, they utterly covered up the fact that Manziel's numbers were built on performances against absolute dogshit teams like La Tech (one of the worst defenses in college football), SMU (ditto), Mississippi State (you see the Egg Bowl?), Sam Houston State and South Carolina State (funny you ignored that one, I wonder why? Hey, and how about his three turnover effort against Ole Miss. They also have managed to cover up the fact that Manziel is a less-than-decent person off the field (a component of the Heisman) with a juvie record and at least one DUI. And three misdemeanor charges that are still pending (disorderly, presenting a fake ID to a cop and assault).


That might have been the most fucktarded thing you've ever said on this board. Not a single analyst ever poo-pooed Te'o as a candidate at any point this season. That's the only reason he was even in the top 3.
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Postby Dick Rosenthal on Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:44 pm

I suspect 04 and ghost got rejection letters from Our Lady of the Cornfields and have never been the same sense. Mississippi State sucks balls. They finished 8-4 against one of the weakest schedules in the country (although stronger than A&M"s) and aren't even in the Top 30. They gave up 30+ points against offensive juggernauts like Tennessee and LSU and I'll ask again, did you watch the Egg Bowl? So much for that argument. Thanks for playing. You would be the King of the Fucktards, but 04 clips you by a nose. Hey dipshit, just in case you want to do some research, ESPN.com did 45 stories between October and November that basically said everyone and their mother deserved the Heisman over Te'o, including the following persons: Oregon's QB and RB, Matt Barkley, Monte Ball, EJ Manuel, AJ McCarron, Colin Klein, Stepfan Taylor, Geno Smith, Tayvon Austin and Marquise Lee. As Casey Stengal said, "You can look it up."
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Postby bchockey04 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:30 pm

Well if ESPN.com did that. Then all 45 articles were right. Doesn't change the fact that for everyone if those articles there were national TV personalities too busy hyping this slightly above average Strong Safety.

Fortunately I was brought up in a home that saw Our Lady of the Cornfields for what it was. An overhyped school in the middle of fucking nowhere, led by a sniveling little twit (Holtz) that was living off a past reputation. I would have rather slit my own throat than ever attend school there. 20 years later, they're still living off that past reputation.
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Postby twballgame9 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:35 pm

They're pretty much living off winning 12 games against the likes of Michigan, USC, Stanford and Oklahoma this season. Fact is, T'eo is grossly overrated, but ND earned their shit this season.
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Postby commavegarage on Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:41 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:They're pretty much living off winning 12 games against the likes of Michigan, USC, Stanford and Oklahoma this season. Fact is, T'eo is grossly overrated, but ND earned their shit this season.


its hilarious how much the sec boasts about their conference. 5-7 of them wouldnt be in the top half of the acc. georgia played two ranked teams in regular season play and got smoked in one of those games.
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Postby bchockey04 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:44 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:They're pretty much living off winning 12 games against the likes of Michigan, USC, Stanford and Oklahoma this season. Fact is, T'eo is grossly overrated, but ND earned their shit this season.


Agree for the most part...but the only reason they beat Stanford was thanks to some gross homer refs...and Michigan and USC wound up being pretty meh. But in the end they're 12-0 so I guess they should be there.
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Re: Sanity Restored...

Postby apbc12 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 6:12 am

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Well, except for stuffing USC's running back on the 2nd play of the stand when there was nothing between him and the goal line but Manti Teo. But other than that, you know what the fuck you are talking about. Lest you also forget, on the previous goal line stand, he locked down Marquise Lee--you know, far and away the best receiver in the country on the critical 3rd and goal.

Here's a tip, before you open your fucking mouth actually know what you are talking about.

Let's go to the videotape! Feel free to point out the play you're talking about.

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Postby MTeagleCPA on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:40 am

Notre Dame gave the world Lou Holtz. For that, all of ND Nation can go Fuck Itself!!!!!
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Postby DomingoOrtiz on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:44 am

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:And the ESPN hype machine was purely in Johnny Drunk Driver's corner.



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