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BCSUPERFAN22 {l Wrote}:Clay Travis from Fox Sports described this potential expansion process as basically a reverse auction. I haven't read much about all this, but he explained that for every school the B12 adds, the league is due $25mm/school from tv partners. The way in which this becomes a reverse auction, is that the B12 will take the schools that agree to accept the smallest piece of that amount, so if Memphis says well come in for $5mm, the additional $20mm is redistributed to the original member schools.

So according to him, the B12 is essentially selling off its spots in this process. Idk if this is a correct interpretation of the process, just what he said on his podcast.

This really only makes sense if the B12 has admitted that it is likely to lose Texas (and to a lesser extent OU and OSU). That is obviously not a long term solution.

BCSUPERFAN22 {l Wrote}:I figured THE JERSEY GUY would be salivating over all this but it looks like his site is out of commission

The domain is still taken, so I guess he didn't re-up his hosting. It's too bad, buying that domain would have been the best $20 I spent all summer.

BCSUPERFAN22 {l Wrote}:Clay Travis from Fox Sports described this potential expansion process as basically a reverse auction. I haven't read much about all this, but he explained that for every school the B12 adds, the league is due $25mm/school from tv partners. The way in which this becomes a reverse auction, is that the B12 will take the schools that agree to accept the smallest piece of that amount, so if Memphis says well come in for $5mm, the additional $20mm is redistributed to the original member schools.

So according to him, the B12 is essentially selling off its spots in this process. Idk if this is a correct interpretation of the process, just what he said on his podcast.

If true, then I expect any and all prospective schools to bid $1. This is about self-preservation, who cares about the short term money?

HJS {l Wrote}:

BCSUPERFAN22 {l Wrote}:Clay Travis from Fox Sports described this potential expansion process as basically a reverse auction. I haven't read much about all this, but he explained that for every school the B12 adds, the league is due $25mm/school from tv partners. The way in which this becomes a reverse auction, is that the B12 will take the schools that agree to accept the smallest piece of that amount, so if Memphis says well come in for $5mm, the additional $20mm is redistributed to the original member schools.

So according to him, the B12 is essentially selling off its spots in this process. Idk if this is a correct interpretation of the process, just what he said on his podcast.

This really only makes sense if the B12 has admitted that it is likely to lose Texas (and to a lesser extent OU and OSU). That is obviously not a long term solution.

This is the article that he wrote for Fox Sports.

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/big-12-auctions-off-league-membership-for-big-money-072016

If Travis is correct, UConn is in the Big XII. They will pay the conference whatever it takes.

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:If Travis is correct, UConn is in the Big XII. They will pay the conference whatever it takes.

Isn't that exactly what happened with Memphis? There was some sort of kicker being offered to any BCS conference that would take them. I'm not entirely sure I believe the "reverse auction" idea. But, if true, I think it means that the B12 is trying to funnel cash to the programs who would otherwise leave.

Seems like SueConn is as popular as ever.
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BCSUPERFAN22 {l Wrote}:This is the article that he wrote for Fox Sports.

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/big-12-auctions-off-league-membership-for-big-money-072016

About the author:

A former attorney who realized that practicing law full time was miserable, Travis likes pink dolphins, beards, people who email him "your gay", and giving subtle nods in the direction of other men who have outkicked their coverage.

eagle33 {l Wrote}:

BCSUPERFAN22 {l Wrote}:This is the article that he wrote for Fox Sports.

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/big-12-auctions-off-league-membership-for-big-money-072016

About the author:

A former attorney who realized that practicing law full time was miserable, Travis likes pink dolphins, beards, people who email him "your gay", and giving subtle nods in the direction of other men who have outkicked their coverage.

I thought for sure this was a joke, but yes this is actually in his bio.

One thing is certain, BC will have to invest in facilities and step up their committement to athletics. Boston is the largest ACC TV market and a shitty BC football and hoops program is not going to please ESPN who is already struggling financially. BC's current way of doing business is not going to work for the best interest of the ACC. Leahy might hate it, but a top 20/10 BC football and hoops programs turns on TV sets and ESPN/ACC desperately need popular teams.

Eaglekeeper {l Wrote}:One thing is certain, BC will have to invest in facilities and step up their committement to athletics. Boston is the largest ACC TV market and a shitty BC football and hoops program is not going to please ESPN who is already struggling financially. BC's current way of doing business is not going to work for the best interest of the ACC. Leahy might hate it, but a top 20/10 BC football and hoops programs turns on TV sets and ESPN/ACC desperately need popular teams.

BC's current way of doing business doesn't even work for them, let alone anyone else. Hasn't stopped them yet.

EagleDave {l Wrote}:

Eaglekeeper {l Wrote}:One thing is certain, BC will have to invest in facilities and step up their committement to athletics. Boston is the largest ACC TV market and a shitty BC football and hoops program is not going to please ESPN who is already struggling financially. BC's current way of doing business is not going to work for the best interest of the ACC. Leahy might hate it, but a top 20/10 BC football and hoops programs turns on TV sets and ESPN/ACC desperately need popular teams.

BC's current way of doing business doesn't even work for them, let alone anyone else. Hasn't stopped them yet.

BC has invested nothing to its athletic programs and yet they just received the same financial security of FSU and Clemson. Crazy like a fox that Leahy.

BC is the shining example as to why socialist programs fail. There simply isn't any real motivation to put in the time and effort to better your station. Ever to Leech.

HJS {l Wrote}:Who saw this coming???

ACC deal extended to 2035/36. ACC Network in 2019. GOR extended for additional 20 years. ND contractually obligated to join ACC if it wants to join a conference over the next 20 years.

Also, in return for giving ESPN a 10 year extension on the TV & GOR deals, ESPN will give the ACC network immediate access to air some 2nd tier & most of 3rd tier football/basketball games. In other words, the ACC network will be able to offer viewers valuable content (and ESPN's first rate production) to attract subscribers and probably force the east coast cable programmers to include the ACC network in the base package offer. Obviously this ties us deeper with ESPN, but it makes the conference more stable & and gives the ACC network a real chance to thrive. If BC & Syracuse can get their act together by 2019, and build local viewership, then BC & Syracuse can finally pull their weight in revenue by adding millions of new subscribers to the ACC network.

The interesting part is that when Notre Dame's NBC deal expires in 2027, no conference can bid for them ... That gives more leverage to try and lure ND to join.

As everyone knows, BC can only attract millions of subscribers by winning the ACC. How good is a TV market to a conference if the local team sucks? Leahy's approach is contradictory to the whole ACC TV deal. Now that the light the world campaign is over, BC should launch a capital campaign for athletic facilities and scholarships in the range of 400-500 million over 10 years. The timing is good and it will take 10 years to get permits and build all of the facilities.

Does anyone know the projected revenue per team by 2020? B1G is at 35 million per team and I believe the ACC is at 21 million.

bc actually does well ratings wise despite the meh product

claver2010 {l Wrote}:bc actually does well ratings wise despite the meh product

Exactly. That's why all this talk of pouring money into athletics facilities is nonsense. There will be no significant ROI on building a new football practice facility. The ACC is not going to suddenly get more money from ESPN just because BC wins two or three more games in a year, at the expense of other ACC teams. Better to put that money into academics and making students' educations better. College football and basketball are pastimes. Some people's priorities are out of whack.

That is the biggest bunch of nonsense every spewed on this board! Every team in the ACC except BC is investing in their athletic facilities. It's clear that your goal is for BC to take the HC route. Get off your high horse, athletics put BC on the map!

Eaglekeeper {l Wrote}:That is the biggest bunch of nonsense every spewed on this board! Every team in the ACC except BC is investing in their athletic facilities. It's clear that your goal is for BC to take the HC route. Get off your high horse, athletics put BC on the map!

My point is that winning more football games does not necessarily mean more TV money for BC.

HJS {l Wrote}:

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:If Travis is correct, UConn is in the Big XII. They will pay the conference whatever it takes.

Isn't that exactly what happened with Memphis? There was some sort of kicker being offered to any BCS conference that would take them. I'm not entirely sure I believe the "reverse auction" idea. But, if true, I think it means that the B12 is trying to funnel cash to the programs who would otherwise leave.

The politics of Texas football (unsurprisingly) have already taken hold of this debate and pushed one candidate ahead of the group...

UT-Austin supposedly bought up a ton of land in the city of Houston that was going to be used to build a research facility/satellite campus for themselves. The city of Houston, backed by the University of Houston and its Board of Regents is threatening to block construction of the proposed facility...unless the folks in Austin might be willing to sponsor UH's candidacy for Big 12 membership.

so houston, byu, natti light, & memphis?

BYU and Houston should be 1-2 in their expansion. If they move beyond that, Natti Light should be 3rd. The 4th schools would be a run-off between Memphis, UConn, CSU, USF and UCF. In other words, the fourth school will be a flaming bag of dog shit.

Big12 is a joke.

CSU would get them into the Denver market. A school not mentioned, but San Diego St Univ would get them into Cali.

EagleDave {l Wrote}:The politics of Texas football (unsurprisingly) have already taken hold of this debate and pushed one candidate ahead of the group...

UT-Austin supposedly bought up a ton of land in the city of Houston that was going to be used to build a research facility/satellite campus for themselves. The city of Houston, backed by the University of Houston and its Board of Regents is threatening to block construction of the proposed facility...unless the folks in Austin might be willing to sponsor UH's candidacy for Big 12 membership.

Pay attention, Brad. This is how you get shit built.

BC has no problems getting building permits. BC is not going to build any athletic facility unless it solves other needs as well. Moving the baseball and softball to Brighton opens up space on the main campus. The IPF will free up some of the demand on the new student rec building and their are many teams that will make use of it.

Leahy makes too big of a deal about renovating and building new athletic facilities. Donations will pay for these facilities, not the endowment. Renovations to the stadium can be financed and will bring in additional revenue. The IPF will help boost recruiting which should translate into better results in football and increase ticket sales.

Investing in athletic facilities has always brought a very good financial return. Without the Gladchuk renovation on Alumni Stadium in 94 and Flynn building Conte, BC would not be in the ACC. Total cost of those projects was about $55 million. BC gets 21 million every year from the ACC, less than a 3 year payback.

HJS {l Wrote}:BYU and Houston should be 1-2 in their expansion. If they move beyond that, Natti Light should be 3rd. The 4th schools would be a run-off between Memphis, UConn, CSU, USF and UCF. In other words, the fourth school will be a flaming bag of dog shit.

I would actually make Colorado St. my second choice. My rankings:

1) BYU
2) Colorado St.
3) Houston
4) Boise St.

5) Cincinnati
6) Memphis
7) UCF
8) USF
9) UConn

MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:1) BYU

The media is saying every sport other than football at BYU is a major hangup for joining the conference since BYU teams don't compete on Sundays. The Big 12 is open to football-only members, but with so much competition for these invites, I don't see why they would settle for one.

maybe i'm an idiot but the no games on sunday rule seems like something that's pretty easy to schedule around. why is the b12 (or I guess media morons) so hung up on it, especially considering the craptastic alternatives?

DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:

MilitantEagle {l Wrote}:1) BYU

The media is saying every sport other than football at BYU is a major hangup for joining the conference since BYU teams don't compete on Sundays. The Big 12 is open to football-only members, but with so much competition for these invites, I don't see why they would settle for one.

If Big 12 can figure out how to make basketball work with BYU's no Sunday's policy, then it's a perfect partnership, because the TV deals are only for football & basketball. No one cares if BYU's non-revenue sports stay in the Big West. To make basketball work, they just have to figure out how to reposition 5-6 conference games that would otherwise be on Sunday. That's not too hard.

The harder issue is picking a 2nd school. A reverse auction or dutch auction are great price discovery tools where everyone bids to their maximum percieved value, but only if you don't care who owns the asset. But this isn't a one-qay sale where customer identify doesn't impact asset value ... just the opposite, this is going to be a conference partner, expected to return value with a competitive on-field product, viewership, brand name, etc. The reverse auction (assuming it's just for a reduction payout for 1-2 years) fails to account for the 2nd half of the equation ... and seems likely to attract the biggest lemon who's are most desperate and most frugal, i.e., the worst programs that are selling the cheapest products.

If shudder to think would would have happened if BC participated in similar reverse auction for ACC membership, Leahy would use it as an excuse to run the program at 1-AA levels, and we'd become institutional dormats and laughing stock for the media. They only way I can see a reverse auction working is if the Big 12 implements strict quality control measures for the new entrant to maintain a certain caliber/capacity of stadiums, fund all programs at full scholarships levels, and offer competitive salaries (coaches) and stipends (athletes) at P5 mediam levels. If that occurs, then theoretically, no new entrant will big down beyond what they can afford .... and basically rely upon alumni donations to make up the initial shortfall.