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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby DrJackRyan on Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:45 pm

Iowa would not be in North....still in Big 10 right?


innocentbystander {l Wrote}:Okay so Texas and Oklahoma are out, BYU, Central Florida, Houston, and Cincinnati are in.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2021/09/03/big-12-conference-new-schools-join-byu-houston-ucf-cincinnati/5721822001/

All 4 will join, why wouldn't they? So I'm thinking the conference will not do something ACC retarded and split the conference in some bullshit way. They will split geographically:

  • North
  • Cincinnati
  • Kansas
  • West Virginia
  • Iowa
  • K-State
  • Iowa State
  • South
  • BYU
  • Houston
  • Central Florida
  • Baylor
  • Texas Tech
  • Oklahoma State

Have the conference championship in Arrowhead Stadium or maybe in St Louis. That would be reasonable. Its going to suck for Central Florida no matter which division they are placed. But Miami has been dealing with the same crap for decades.

I don't think they are going to want to wait until 2025 when Oklahoma and Texas are out. Why wait? Just expand to 14 if only temporarily. Texas no longer has any clout or say, they are leaving. Since BYU is independent they could probably join immediately. The others have to break their contracts with whatever shitball conference they are currently in.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby innocentbystander on Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:30 pm

Eaglekeeper {l Wrote}:Iowa is not in the Big 12.

I think expansion will keep the Big 12 as a P5 conference with an automatic playoff bid when the playoff expands to 12 teams. The PAC 12 might want to reconsider expansion. Adding TCU, Texas Tech, Ok St and Kansas St would be solid additions to the PAC 12. It gets them into Texas and the Kansas City market.

East division- Arizona, ASU, Texas Tech, TCU, Ok St, KSU, Colorado & Utah
West division- USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, OSU, Washington & WSU.

Go Eagles!


Ooops, +5. Iowa is B1G-T(14)N.

The Pac-12 is not going to expand. They could have had BYU 40 years ago. They are staying "fat" at 12. They didn't even really want Utah. They thought they were getting Texas and Colorado and the Longhorns bait-and-switched them.


DrJackRyan {l Wrote}:Iowa would not be in North....still in Big 10 right?


innocentbystander {l Wrote}:Okay so Texas and Oklahoma are out, BYU, Central Florida, Houston, and Cincinnati are in.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2021/09/03/big-12-conference-new-schools-join-byu-houston-ucf-cincinnati/5721822001/

All 4 will join, why wouldn't they? So I'm thinking the conference will not do something ACC retarded and split the conference in some bullshit way. They will split geographically:

  • North
  • Cincinnati
  • Kansas
  • West Virginia
  • Iowa
  • K-State
  • Iowa State
  • South
  • BYU
  • Houston
  • Central Florida
  • Baylor
  • Texas Tech
  • Oklahoma State

Have the conference championship in Arrowhead Stadium or maybe in St Louis. That would be reasonable. Its going to suck for Central Florida no matter which division they are placed. But Miami has been dealing with the same crap for decades.

I don't think they are going to want to wait until 2025 when Oklahoma and Texas are out. Why wait? Just expand to 14 if only temporarily. Texas no longer has any clout or say, they are leaving. Since BYU is independent they could probably join immediately. The others have to break their contracts with whatever shitball conference they are currently in.



Ooops! Yes you are right. I forgot those horny frogs. +5 Dr Ryan. Lets try this again

  • North
  • Cincinnati
  • Kansas
  • West Virginia
  • BYU
  • K-State
  • Iowa State
  • South
  • TCU
  • Houston
  • Central Florida
  • Baylor
  • Texas Tech
  • Oklahoma State

That's better. With BYU, WVa and Cincinnati in the North, that is even more balanced for football. Anyway you slice it, its one hell of a basketball conference.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:41 pm

DrJackRyan {l Wrote}:Iowa would not be in North....still in Big 10 right?


innocentbystander {l Wrote}:Okay so Texas and Oklahoma are out, BYU, Central Florida, Houston, and Cincinnati are in.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2021/09/03/big-12-conference-new-schools-join-byu-houston-ucf-cincinnati/5721822001/

All 4 will join, why wouldn't they? So I'm thinking the conference will not do something ACC retarded and split the conference in some bullshit way. They will split geographically:

  • North
  • Cincinnati
  • Kansas
  • West Virginia
  • Iowa
  • K-State
  • Iowa State
  • South
  • BYU
  • Houston
  • Central Florida
  • Baylor
  • Texas Tech
  • Oklahoma State

Have the conference championship in Arrowhead Stadium or maybe in St Louis. That would be reasonable. Its going to suck for Central Florida no matter which division they are placed. But Miami has been dealing with the same crap for decades.

I don't think they are going to want to wait until 2025 when Oklahoma and Texas are out. Why wait? Just expand to 14 if only temporarily. Texas no longer has any clout or say, they are leaving. Since BYU is independent they could probably join immediately. The others have to break their contracts with whatever shitball conference they are currently in.


Forget the Big !2, it's irrelevant. The SEC, Texas, Oklahoma and the south in general need to figure out their looming TV issues. Just looking at the ratings for this weekend as a microcosm for what they are facing. Clemson-Georgia, an epic showdown draws 7.8 million viewers at its peak on Saturday Night. Pretty good, except that Notre Dame-FSU on a Sunday Night dwarfed it with 8.8 million viewers at its peak. There was also much crowing about Clemson-Georgia possibly being the second highest Saturday kickoff primetime game in ABC's history, although it now looks like that will not be the case, finishing behind Ohio State-LSU and millions and millions of viewers behind Notre Dame-Texas. It gets worse for southern football when you look at the highest rated Saturday night games over the last 15 years (that's how far back the data goes that is findable). Despite having a bevy of primetime games with national title implications, the top primetime performers for ABC have been Notre Dame-Michigan, Notre Dame-USC, Ohio State-Penn State and its even worse with respect to the 3:30 national slot where there are five iterations of Ohio State-Michigan, a Michigan-Michigan State showdown, and two Penn State-Michigan games before you get to the top-rated SEC game on CBS. And before we start stating that it is easier to draw ratings on ABC than on CBS, it should be noted that the Notre Dame has had six games in the 3:30 time slot that outdrew the SEC's best on CBS. And just for shits and giggles, in comparing primetime games, Notre Dame-Clemson on NBC last year is the second highest primetime college football draw of the last 15 years, narrowly clipped by the aforementioned ND-Texas game. The highest rated college football game of all time continues to be the 1993 version of ND-FSU, which drew 23 million viewers for a Saturday afternoon game (in an admittedly different media environment).

The point of all of this is that mediocre northern/midwestern football crushes the absolute apex of what southern football brings to TV sets/laptops/smart phones. Rather than wasting their time getting into a regional arms race they can't win, the SEC should use the cyclical advantage it has now to figure out a way to draw the much larger northern audiences. We are headed to a 64 team league one way or the other, might as well do it now while the south has a lot of leverage. If things flip, as they seem to do every twenty years or so, and USC, Notre Dame, Michigan join Ohio State as posing a threat to SEC dominance, the Bamas, Auburns, and LSUs of the world are going to get a far less robust deal.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby innocentbystander on Tue Sep 07, 2021 2:44 pm

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:
DrJackRyan {l Wrote}:Iowa would not be in North....still in Big 10 right?


innocentbystander {l Wrote}:Okay so Texas and Oklahoma are out, BYU, Central Florida, Houston, and Cincinnati are in.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2021/09/03/big-12-conference-new-schools-join-byu-houston-ucf-cincinnati/5721822001/

All 4 will join, why wouldn't they? So I'm thinking the conference will not do something ACC retarded and split the conference in some bullshit way. They will split geographically:

  • North
  • Cincinnati
  • Kansas
  • West Virginia
  • Iowa
  • K-State
  • Iowa State
  • South
  • BYU
  • Houston
  • Central Florida
  • Baylor
  • Texas Tech
  • Oklahoma State

Have the conference championship in Arrowhead Stadium or maybe in St Louis. That would be reasonable. Its going to suck for Central Florida no matter which division they are placed. But Miami has been dealing with the same crap for decades.

I don't think they are going to want to wait until 2025 when Oklahoma and Texas are out. Why wait? Just expand to 14 if only temporarily. Texas no longer has any clout or say, they are leaving. Since BYU is independent they could probably join immediately. The others have to break their contracts with whatever shitball conference they are currently in.


Forget the Big !2, it's irrelevant. The SEC, Texas, Oklahoma and the south in general need to figure out their looming TV issues. Just looking at the ratings for this weekend as a microcosm for what they are facing. Clemson-Georgia, an epic showdown draws 7.8 million viewers at its peak on Saturday Night. Pretty good, except that Notre Dame-FSU on a Sunday Night dwarfed it with 8.8 million viewers at its peak. There was also much crowing about Clemson-Georgia possibly being the second highest Saturday kickoff primetime game in ABC's history, although it now looks like that will not be the case, finishing behind Ohio State-LSU and millions and millions of viewers behind Notre Dame-Texas. It gets worse for southern football when you look at the highest rated Saturday night games over the last 15 years (that's how far back the data goes that is findable). Despite having a bevy of primetime games with national title implications, the top primetime performers for ABC have been Notre Dame-Michigan, Notre Dame-USC, Ohio State-Penn State and its even worse with respect to the 3:30 national slot where there are five iterations of Ohio State-Michigan, a Michigan-Michigan State showdown, and two Penn State-Michigan games before you get to the top-rated SEC game on CBS. And before we start stating that it is easier to draw ratings on ABC than on CBS, it should be noted that the Notre Dame has had six games in the 3:30 time slot that outdrew the SEC's best on CBS. And just for shits and giggles, in comparing primetime games, Notre Dame-Clemson on NBC last year is the second highest primetime college football draw of the last 15 years, narrowly clipped by the aforementioned ND-Texas game. The highest rated college football game of all time continues to be the 1993 version of ND-FSU, which drew 23 million viewers for a Saturday afternoon game (in an admittedly different media environment).

The point of all of this is that mediocre northern/midwestern football crushes the absolute apex of what southern football brings to TV sets/laptops/smart phones. Rather than wasting their time getting into a regional arms race they can't win, the SEC should use the cyclical advantage it has now to figure out a way to draw the much larger northern audiences. We are headed to a 64 team league one way or the other, might as well do it now while the south has a lot of leverage. If things flip, as they seem to do every twenty years or so, and USC, Notre Dame, Michigan join Ohio State as posing a threat to SEC dominance, the Bamas, Auburns, and LSUs of the world are going to get a far less robust deal.


Then the ACC needs to tell Notre Dame to shit or get off the pot to get to 16. This "just-the-tip" bullshit with the Irish is bullshit.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:33 pm

the acc needs to stop getting their bare asses spanked on national television before they can dictate anything to anyone
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Eaglekeeper on Tue Sep 07, 2021 9:49 pm

Now is a prime opportunity for BC to establish itself as a real power in football. Most importantly, they actually have the right guy leading the program. Hafley is doing all the right things especially in terms of national recruiting. I think BC has a cachet as a National catholic university to truly be able to recruit players from catholic high schools in Cali, Texas and Florida. Most of our competitors in the ACC are just another state university, nothing special.

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:40 am

https://www.yahoo.com/news/changing-col ... 00566.html
The freak out involved with TX and Okla going to the SEC has introduced a lot of stupid into an already idiotically run industry. Nonetheless, the DFW article takes an interesting BC-related angle. I’d note that Big vs Big is only a major event when not everyone is Big. The major buzzword DIVERSITY applies equally to sports. If you have a conference of Bama, Florida, TX, ND, Okla, Clemson, Georgia, TAMU, LSU, Ohio State and Michigan… half would suck and finish with a losing record.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby innocentbystander on Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:55 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:https://www.yahoo.com/news/changing-college-football-landscape-tcu-100000566.html
The freak out involved with TX and Okla going to the SEC has introduced a lot of stupid into an already idiotically run industry. Nonetheless, the DFW article takes an interesting BC-related angle. I’d note that Big vs Big is only a major event when not everyone is Big. The major buzzword DIVERSITY applies equally to sports. If you have a conference of Bama, Florida, TX, ND, Okla, Clemson, Georgia, TAMU, LSU, Ohio State and Michigan… half would suck and finish with a losing record.


Mike Gundy on Big-XII expansion and Nebraska



Mike Gundy {l Wrote}:I thought when Nebraska went North they lost recruiting down here. I thought it hurt them. Its just my opinion.


His comments on BYU, Cincinnati, and Central Florida, were very intelligent, very mathematical. 71,000 students at Central Florida? Wow.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby hansen on Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:42 pm

eagle33 {l Wrote}:usc and ucla to b1g. or not.

https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1542559346453729281


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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:53 pm

Thamel announcing that formal announcement coming within 24 hours.
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... 12-big-ten
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:12 pm

Here's my prediction... college athletics has jumped the shark.

No one cares about college sports except for alums/locals of the particular team and the opponents there of. Interest in college athletics was at an all-time high partly due to a pool of 80 programs. With that, comes an immense customer base. Limiting the pool to 32 select programs means that you have decided to give up on 50% of your customers. That is a bizarre business model. Unless you are creating a promotion/relegation model, no one will care about minor league football. Much like no one cares about the USFL and XFL. All that said... the former jocks playing corporate barons (like DOCTOR Kraft) have no idea how this plays out beyond the next TV contract.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby BCMurt09 on Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:17 pm

As self-appointed board B1G ambassador, I hate this.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:27 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:Here's my prediction... college athletics has jumped the shark.

No one cares about college sports except for alums/locals of the particular team and the opponents there of. Interest in college athletics was at an all-time high partly due to a pool of 80 programs. With that, comes an immense customer base. Limiting the pool to 32 select programs means that you have decided to give up on 50% of your customers. That is a bizarre business model. Unless you are creating a promotion/relegation model, no one will care about minor league football. Much like no one cares about the USFL and XFL. All that said... the former jocks playing corporate barons (like DOCTOR Kraft) have no idea how this plays out beyond the next TV contract.


another prediction: that home & home with 0.0hio St is not going to happen.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:06 pm

BCMurt09 {l Wrote}:As self-appointed board B1G ambassador, I hate this.

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:55 pm

UCLA and USC officially to B10 for 2024
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby miutbc on Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:32 pm

HJS {l Wrote}:UCLA and USC officially to B10 for 2024


Wonder who else? Or, wash Utah Colorado with az schools to b12?
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:35 pm

What ACC school is the most attractive to the SEC & Big Whatever?
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Eagle1999 on Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:58 pm

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:What ACC school is the most attractive to the SEC & Big Whatever?


Wonder if the northern ACC schools go to the big whatever and the southern ACC schools go to the SEC. RutgersAl and Futurelesson call for this. What’s Mez hearing?
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Supahfan99 on Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:13 pm

This all got so stupid so fast.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby EagleNYC on Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:58 pm

BC is cooked. Leahy doesn’t care but we all do. I’ll try to enjoy this season.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby BCMurt09 on Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:40 am

The three game pods released this week are actually package deals for other conferences to poach. So wherever we go, Miami, Pitt, and Syracuse have to follow.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby DuchesneEast on Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:29 am

Eagle1999 {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:What ACC school is the most attractive to the SEC & Big Whatever?


Wonder if the northern ACC schools go to the big whatever and the southern ACC schools go to the SEC. RutgersAl and Futurelesson call for this. What’s Mez hearing?


I thought that, but heard all Big Ten member candidates would have to be AAU members.

So maybe BU can join.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:05 am

BC has never competed with the BabyRapist programs at any point in their existence and nothing that happens over the course of the next decade will change that. BC will be included depending solely on what the number of Minor League colleges will be. So, if the number is 40, BC is out. But, if the number is 40, it is entirely possible that schools like RU, NW and Vandy are booted in favor of schools like UNC, ND, Clem, UVA, Mia, FSU, Oregon and UDub. BC is going to tie its future to Stanford, Duke, WF, GT... and if possibly ND, UVA, UNC, Mia, NW and Vandy.

Historically, the school that is going to freak the eff out about this is FSU. They are so insecure about reminding people that Bobby Bowden once coached there it is ridiculous. They are the ACC's version of Texas.

ND is either going to love the idea of minor league sports or is going to hate it. If they hate it, I think they join the ACC in FB in the hopes of settling things down. If they just want to follow the money, they will join the B10 to regain their annual rivalry games against USC, MSU and Mich (not to mention regular games they've played against NW and Purdue). SEC and B10 are sitting at a very manageable 16 teams. 16 teams create easy Pod Scheduling. 18 and 20 neatly create divisions (which almost no cross-over games). Anything beyond that is unmanageable.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby innocentbystander on Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:02 pm

I am at our summer home. Not in Arizona at the moment. I am guessing that this news has lit up the sports wire all over Phoenix in absolute shock and horror. For ASU/U-of-A NOT to play USC and UCLA every year, oh my heavens.

HJS, I don't necessarily agree that this is all doom and gloom for Boston College. But it doesn't look good, I agree with you. At this point, I think it would honest, okay even, if fans, boosters, and employed administrators affiliated with the athletic programs at the largest universities with the largest alumni base went on the record to say,

honesty {l Wrote}:look, we don't want to share the football $$$$$. Why should we share? No one gives a damn about Wake Forest football other than people who went to Wake Forest. They don't have enough alumni to "rate." So fuck'em. Who cares if they win every once in a while, no one watches them except to root against them when they are playing a school with a meaningfully large alumni base.


If an athletic conference sets up the rules to the broadcasting contract game in such a way that they can't lose the game [the way the B1G-T(14)N did] then the only thing that matters to get the tv $$$$$ is fannies in the seats in the living rooms watching the games. In that sense, the SEC and the B1G-T(14)N have the most clout. If you are on the outside looking in, it is more important to join those conferences (even if it means you will always lose.) I think that is why Nebraska is not regretting their move for even a second even though they can no longer win the way they once did.

That said, I am not sure that all the baby rapists have the largest undergraduate programs.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/917179/us-college-largest-on-campus-populations-undergraduate-enrollment/

  • Central Florida - 61,500
  • Texas A&M - 56,000
  • Florida Int University - 49,000
  • Ohio State - 47,000
  • ASU - 45,000
  • Utah Valley University - 41,000
  • Penn State - 41,000
  • University of Texas - 40,000
  • Houston - 39,000
  • Michigan State - 38,000
  • Rutgers 36,000
  • U-of-A - 36,000 (including my daughter)
  • Cal State - 35,000
  • Minnesota - 35,000
  • Texas at Arlington - 35,000
  • Florida - 35,000
  • Purdue - 35,000
  • Cal State Northbridge - 35,000
  • Kennesaw State - 34,000

BOLD - denotes baby rapist

hmmmmm..... USC, UCLA, Notre Dame, Alabama, LSU, Oregon, F$U, Clemson, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and Tennessee didn't make the cut

Obviously (just looking at the numbers and the presumed largest numbers of LIVING ALUMNI watching games) for tv contract money, the B1G-T(14)N is where it at, followed by the SEC. What I find interesting thought is that Houston and Central Florida have massive numbers of alumni and they both joined the Big-XII. Neither are baby rapists. So its not always just math to determine the clout over tv contract size. There are other factors.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby eagle33 on Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:32 pm

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:05 am

Whether BC is fucked or not depends entirely on whether the Big 10 sees any value in the Boston market—or more accurately, whether they need BC to harvest in the Boston market and whether ND or Michigan see any value in playing in Boston every couple of years to make the not unsubstantial alumni bases there happy. And yeah, ND is going to the Big 10—USC and UCLA joining goes a long way to addressing ND’s concerns of losing their national brand. My guess is ND will try to bring Clemson along, after that, it’s a scramble but UNC, Miami and Georgia Tech (despite its current shittastic athletics) all offer a geographic footprint the Big 10 would want. What will be interesting is seeing who gets booted and who doesn’t make the cut. Purdue, Northwester and Rutgers all look likely to get tossed. The Big 10 would gladly trade Cuse for Rutgers, Northwestern brings nothing to the table from a Chicago standpoint, especially if ND is joining and there is no way the conference is going to carry three teams in Indiana. Pitt is never getting in as Penn State would like nothing more than to erase Pitt once and for all. Virginia and Va Tech bring nothing to the table in terms of market or cache, and given the talent base in Virginia—where ND in particular has been successfully pulling talent—both the SEC and Big 10 might prefer to relegate both programs to minor league status and then feast on the talent bounties available in the Hampton Roads/Newport, Richmond Southside, and NoVa. My favorite thing in all of this will be watching Oregon die. Apparently, the Big 10 rebuffed immediate inquiries made by Washington and Oregon within hours of the USC and UCLA announcement because the Big 10 is “waiting on Notre Dame.” The truth is, Oregon brings nothing to the table. No major TV market, no talent base. All they have is Phil Knight’s money, but neither the Big 10 nor the SEC need it and USC and UCLA would certainly like to see Oregon reduced to minor status to keep them out of the fertile recruiting grounds of the LA Basin. Ditto for Washington to a lesser extent. Stanford might get an invite because of the Bay Area market being valuable and their historical connection to the Big 10. Cal also has a shot, but more because the UC Chancellor might burn UCLA if Cal gets fucked. A lot of Big 10 chatter today has focused on the superfluousness of UCLA and that Stanford would be a more attractive option.

Anyway, BC’s fate is almost entirely out of its hands so no point obsessing about it.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby ATLeagle on Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:41 am

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Whether BC is fucked or not depends entirely on whether the Big 10 sees any value in the Boston market—or more accurately, whether they need BC to harvest in the Boston market and whether ND or Michigan see any value in playing in Boston every couple of years to make the not unsubstantial alumni bases there happy. And yeah, ND is going to the Big 10—USC and UCLA joining goes a long way to addressing ND’s concerns of losing their national brand. My guess is ND will try to bring Clemson along, after that, it’s a scramble but UNC, Miami and Georgia Tech (despite its current shittastic athletics) all offer a geographic footprint the Big 10 would want. What will be interesting is seeing who gets booted and who doesn’t make the cut. Purdue, Northwester and Rutgers all look likely to get tossed. The Big 10 would gladly trade Cuse for Rutgers, Northwestern brings nothing to the table from a Chicago standpoint, especially if ND is joining and there is no way the conference is going to carry three teams in Indiana. Pitt is never getting in as Penn State would like nothing more than to erase Pitt once and for all. Virginia and Va Tech bring nothing to the table in terms of market or cache, and given the talent base in Virginia—where ND in particular has been successfully pulling talent—both the SEC and Big 10 might prefer to relegate both programs to minor league status and then feast on the talent bounties available in the Hampton Roads/Newport, Richmond Southside, and NoVa. My favorite thing in all of this will be watching Oregon die. Apparently, the Big 10 rebuffed immediate inquiries made by Washington and Oregon within hours of the USC and UCLA announcement because the Big 10 is “waiting on Notre Dame.” The truth is, Oregon brings nothing to the table. No major TV market, no talent base. All they have is Phil Knight’s money, but neither the Big 10 nor the SEC need it and USC and UCLA would certainly like to see Oregon reduced to minor status to keep them out of the fertile recruiting grounds of the LA Basin. Ditto for Washington to a lesser extent. Stanford might get an invite because of the Bay Area market being valuable and their historical connection to the Big 10. Cal also has a shot, but more because the UC Chancellor might burn UCLA if Cal gets fucked. A lot of Big 10 chatter today has focused on the superfluousness of UCLA and that Stanford would be a more attractive option.

Anyway, BC’s fate is almost entirely out of its hands so no point obsessing about it.


I agree that BC's future -- beyond backroom politics -- is out of our hands. The only thing where I disagree with Dick is that it will be harder to kick teams out than he explains. Iowa, Purdue, etc have 0 long term value but have a strong legal foothold. That is why the breakaway idea still exists. It would be easier for the top 20 names to breakaway than kick out a loser program.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby JesuitIvy on Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:32 am

Geography doesn’t matter anymore with the traditional cable model dying, so the old Frank the Tank argument that was good for BC (or Rutgers, GaTech etc) _- that the physical presence means the local cable providers boost their payments for league networks — doesn’t matter. It’s about packaging a brand suite that streaming companies will pay up for. Heck, just the top 8 schools could form their own league, do a home and away game vs each other and probably command the biggest package ever seen on a per game basis. CFB’s version of euro soccer’s Super League idea. Maybe like that have a “relegation/play-in’ level for two a year of the BCs, Miamis, Oregons of the world, like the Super League wanted.

Now, if the future is essentially pro teams sponsored/affiliated with schools that can use outside money then BC has a better shot given the amount of money that wants in on sports IP and quality of the overall BC brand and the friendly relations with the Krafts. Imho
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:57 am

What percentage of alumni from schools like WashU and UVM are die hard college sports fans? That’s the question that Minor League proponents need to ask themselves.
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