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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby angrychicken on Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:30 pm

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby claver2010 on Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:31 pm

then maybe drop a tl;dr on them

btw napoleon is quoted in there page 25
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:33 pm

claver2010 {l Wrote}:then maybe drop a tl;dr on them

btw napoleon is quoted in there page 25


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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:39 pm

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:
HJS {l Wrote}:
2001Eagle {l Wrote}:
DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:If UM is represented by Alumni, it shows how worthless that degree is.

Judge should throw it out and awards costs and sanctions. Dummies. You can approach any school to leave, it has no effect on your exit fee.


Even a shit counterclaim provides some settlement leverage, if only for the cost of dealing with it for the otherside.

Not really. They are already embroiled in litigation. The cost associated with drafting a motion to dismiss is negligible (and no more than the cost for MD to respond to said motion). This counterclaim was put out there as a PR move. I actually don't know what they hope to accomplish with it other than to show (a) the ACC isn't a victim and (b) they were rejected by PSU and NW. The truth is that they probably just got those two fanbases thinking that maybe life would be better for them in another conference.


Yes really. Cost is not only the fees associated with motion drafting, it is also weighing the risks of losing that motion, proceeding with discovery etc, waiting many months while some judge's clerk sifts through it all and makes a recommendation/drafts an opinion. Counterclaim could be PR and a shot at leverage, those are not mutually exclusive goals. I'm not saying it is very weighty or substantial piece of leverage, but it is a common tactic to plead even shitty counterclaims for exactly that reason, a tactic I don't really subscribe too, but a common one nonetheless.


In theory, that's definitely true. Usually the counterclaims bear some semblance of credibility, however.

MD is bringing the functional equivalent of a personal injury suit where a bad driver almost hit your dog.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:50 pm

claver2010 {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:That motion to dismiss doesn't have to be that long, either. The word "Really?" should suffice.


they should've responded w lolcats

edit: here's the suit http://media10.washingtonpost.com/gener ... awsuit.pdf


Jesus. There are few complaints that should take 50 pages.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:53 pm

claver2010 {l Wrote}:then maybe drop a tl;dr on them


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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby pick6pedro on Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:59 pm

It's only a matter of time before Maryland demands their prominent alum stop supplying ACC schools with unis - and said alum declines to do so.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:04 pm

Also be interesting if ESPN does anything. Could really turn it into a Mickey Mouse lawsuit.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby 2001Eagle on Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:12 pm

claver2010 {l Wrote}:then maybe drop a tl;dr on them

btw napoleon is quoted in there page 25


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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Casey on Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:39 pm

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:
DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:If UM is represented by Alumni, it shows how worthless that degree is.

Judge should throw it out and awards costs and sanctions. Dummies. You can approach any school to leave, it has no effect on your exit fee.


Even a shit counterclaim provides some settlement leverage, if only for the cost of dealing with it for the otherside.


That holds true ONLY if the claim survives a motion to dismiss and SJ. In the post Twombly/Iqbal pleading world, the vast majority of antitrust conspiracy claims are thrown out pre-trial, particularly when lodged against the joint conduct of a lawful partnership/joint-venture (I.e. a conference) as opposed to a competitor cartel. I expect the same here, and it will further undermine the credibility of Maryland's future defense arguments. The North Carolina court already spewed a little venom in denying the initial motion to dismiss, I expect you'll see more here.

Also, I agree with HJS that at best thus is a failed tortious interference claim, but MD needs to establish an antitrust violation to challenge the ACC bylaw as a cartel agreement ... And thus escape the exit fee and forum selection clause.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HustlinOwl on Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:58 pm

Casey {l Wrote}:
2001Eagle {l Wrote}:
DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:If UM is represented by Alumni, it shows how worthless that degree is.

Judge should throw it out and awards costs and sanctions. Dummies. You can approach any school to leave, it has no effect on your exit fee.


Even a shit counterclaim provides some settlement leverage, if only for the cost of dealing with it for the otherside.


That holds true ONLY if the claim survives a motion to dismiss and SJ. In the post Twombly/Iqbal pleading world, the vast majority of antitrust conspiracy claims are thrown out pre-trial, particularly when lodged against the joint conduct of a lawful partnership/joint-venture (I.e. a conference) as opposed to a competitor cartel. I expect the same here, and it will further undermine the credibility of Maryland's future defense arguments. The North Carolina court already spewed a little venom in denying the initial motion to dismiss, I expect you'll see more here.


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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Casey on Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:03 pm

HustlinOwl {l Wrote}:
Casey {l Wrote}:
2001Eagle {l Wrote}:
DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:If UM is represented by Alumni, it shows how worthless that degree is.

Judge should throw it out and awards costs and sanctions. Dummies. You can approach any school to leave, it has no effect on your exit fee.


Even a shit counterclaim provides some settlement leverage, if only for the cost of dealing with it for the otherside.


That holds true ONLY if the claim survives a motion to dismiss and SJ. In the post Twombly/Iqbal pleading world, the vast majority of antitrust conspiracy claims are thrown out pre-trial, particularly when lodged against the joint conduct of a lawful partnership/joint-venture (I.e. a conference) as opposed to a competitor cartel. I expect the same here, and it will further undermine the credibility of Maryland's future defense arguments. The North Carolina court already spewed a little venom in denying the initial motion to dismiss, I expect you'll see more here.



In English please.


In English, the ACC gets two free shots to kick these silly claims pre-trial .... The first will occur in the next 60 days. In the last 10 years, the Supreme Court made it lot easier to kick these types of claims early. I expect that to happen again, and the North Carolina trial & appeals courts will be even more hostile to the Maryland AG for wasting their time.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:03 pm

maryland is a fat girl and you are the acc. the acc can say to any other guy in the land "this guy fucks fat chicks. we have no interest in fat chicks and have no interest in him. therefore, please tell him to go fuck his fat chicks in the midwest from now on"

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:26 pm

Twombly and Iqbal are case names, Owl. Basically say you can no longer merely allege shit, you have to at least have some factual basis. This applies to all cases, not just Anti-Trust. Twombly was an anti-trust case, but the appellant in Iqbal was John Ashcroft - you can guess the nature of the claim.

Note, this is a federal court pleading standard. Massachusetts, for one, has followed it verbatim.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby angrychicken on Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:32 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Twombly and Iqbal are case names, Owl. Basically say you can no longer merely allege shit, you have to at least have some factual basis. This applies to all cases, not just Anti-Trust. Twombly was an anti-trust case, but the plaintiff in Iqbal was John Ashcroft - you can guess the nature of the claim.

Note, this is a federal court pleading standard. Massachusetts, for one, has followed it verbatim.

How does the inflatable orca fit into all of this?
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:34 pm

angrychicken {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Twombly and Iqbal are case names, Owl. Basically say you can no longer merely allege shit, you have to at least have some factual basis. This applies to all cases, not just Anti-Trust. Twombly was an anti-trust case, but the plaintiff in Iqbal was John Ashcroft - you can guess the nature of the claim.

Note, this is a federal court pleading standard. Massachusetts, for one, has followed it verbatim.

How does the inflatable orca fit into all of this?


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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby angrychicken on Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:37 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
angrychicken {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Twombly and Iqbal are case names, Owl. Basically say you can no longer merely allege shit, you have to at least have some factual basis. This applies to all cases, not just Anti-Trust. Twombly was an anti-trust case, but the plaintiff in Iqbal was John Ashcroft - you can guess the nature of the claim.

Note, this is a federal court pleading standard. Massachusetts, for one, has followed it verbatim.

How does the inflatable orca fit into all of this?


Carefully.

I would certainly hope so.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Bryn Mawr Eagle on Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:39 pm

angrychicken {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Twombly and Iqbal are case names, Owl. Basically say you can no longer merely allege shit, you have to at least have some factual basis. This applies to all cases, not just Anti-Trust. Twombly was an anti-trust case, but the plaintiff in Iqbal was John Ashcroft - you can guess the nature of the claim.

Note, this is a federal court pleading standard. Massachusetts, for one, has followed it verbatim.

How does the inflatable orca fit into all of this?



Quite comfortably in TRE's bunghole?
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:45 pm

Bryn Mawr Eagle {l Wrote}:
angrychicken {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Twombly and Iqbal are case names, Owl. Basically say you can no longer merely allege shit, you have to at least have some factual basis. This applies to all cases, not just Anti-Trust. Twombly was an anti-trust case, but the plaintiff in Iqbal was John Ashcroft - you can guess the nature of the claim.

Note, this is a federal court pleading standard. Massachusetts, for one, has followed it verbatim.

How does the inflatable orca fit into all of this?



Quite comfortably in TRE's bunghole?

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Bryn Mawr Eagle on Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:51 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
Bryn Mawr Eagle {l Wrote}:
angrychicken {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Twombly and Iqbal are case names, Owl. Basically say you can no longer merely allege shit, you have to at least have some factual basis. This applies to all cases, not just Anti-Trust. Twombly was an anti-trust case, but the plaintiff in Iqbal was John Ashcroft - you can guess the nature of the claim.

Note, this is a federal court pleading standard. Massachusetts, for one, has followed it verbatim.

How does the inflatable orca fit into all of this?



Quite comfortably in TRE's bunghole?

should you really be throwing stones, glass hot tub?


The Foot is no orca, if you know what I mean.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:56 pm

Bryn Mawr Eagle {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
Bryn Mawr Eagle {l Wrote}:
angrychicken {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Twombly and Iqbal are case names, Owl. Basically say you can no longer merely allege shit, you have to at least have some factual basis. This applies to all cases, not just Anti-Trust. Twombly was an anti-trust case, but the plaintiff in Iqbal was John Ashcroft - you can guess the nature of the claim.

Note, this is a federal court pleading standard. Massachusetts, for one, has followed it verbatim.

How does the inflatable orca fit into all of this?



Quite comfortably in TRE's bunghole?

should you really be throwing stones, glass hot tub?


The Foot is no orca, if you know what I mean.

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:58 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
Bryn Mawr Eagle {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
Bryn Mawr Eagle {l Wrote}:
angrychicken {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Twombly and Iqbal are case names, Owl. Basically say you can no longer merely allege shit, you have to at least have some factual basis. This applies to all cases, not just Anti-Trust. Twombly was an anti-trust case, but the plaintiff in Iqbal was John Ashcroft - you can guess the nature of the claim.

Note, this is a federal court pleading standard. Massachusetts, for one, has followed it verbatim.

How does the inflatable orca fit into all of this?



Quite comfortably in TRE's bunghole?

should you really be throwing stones, glass hot tub?


The Foot is no orca, if you know what I mean.

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby hansen on Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:59 pm

IS the bruins weirdos thread still active?
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby rktbrkr on Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:03 am

MD is throwing spaghetti at the wall, hoping some sticks to paraphrase legal analyst Keith Richards.

They have the pending reality of a $53M penalty on their plate vs. some pie in the sky gain by moving to the Big 10+ and MD taxpayers ain't gonna be happy so they need to set up a straw man for distraction.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby b0mberMan on Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:57 am

Bryn Mawr Eagle {l Wrote}:
angrychicken {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Twombly and Iqbal are case names, Owl. Basically say you can no longer merely allege shit, you have to at least have some factual basis. This applies to all cases, not just Anti-Trust. Twombly was an anti-trust case, but the plaintiff in Iqbal was John Ashcroft - you can guess the nature of the claim.

Note, this is a federal court pleading standard. Massachusetts, for one, has followed it verbatim.

How does the inflatable orca fit into all of this?



Quite comfortably in TRE's bunghole?

The trick TRE taught me is that you get it get out of the box, deflated, and grease the sucker up. Really well. Then you slide it in there, carefully leaving the inflating tab out of the anal cavity and exposed to the outside world. Then you put air into it.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby pick6pedro on Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:09 am

"First Amendment, bitches"

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:59 pm

b0mberMan {l Wrote}:The trick TRE taught me is that you get it get out of the box, deflated, and grease the sucker up. Really well. Then you slide it in there, carefully leaving the inflating tab out of the anal cavity and exposed to the outside world. Then you put air into it.


Has TRE shown you his ping pong ball trick?
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:39 pm

DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:
b0mberMan {l Wrote}:The trick TRE taught me is that you get it get out of the box, deflated, and grease the sucker up. Really well. Then you slide it in there, carefully leaving the inflating tab out of the anal cavity and exposed to the outside world. Then you put air into it.


Has TRE shown you his ping pong ball trick?

nice try, lbl. i don't even own a ping pong table
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby DuchesneEast on Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:51 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:
b0mberMan {l Wrote}:The trick TRE taught me is that you get it get out of the box, deflated, and grease the sucker up. Really well. Then you slide it in there, carefully leaving the inflating tab out of the anal cavity and exposed to the outside world. Then you put air into it.


Has TRE shown you his ping pong ball trick?

nice try, lbl. i don't even own a ping pong table


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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

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