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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby BCSUPERFAN22 on Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:42 pm

If Im the Big East, I put the squeeze on Yukon in making them join, they have all the leverage. Have them sign some kind of absurd buyout agreement otherwise youre just stetting yourself up to be left at the altar again.

From Yukons perspective, I would almost ask that the BE mandate that they drop FB to 1AA as a condition of joining. At least that way, CT can pass the blame elsewhere (not out decision to drop) and finally get out of the disaster that the FB program has become. I think deep down they know that they cant survive as IND and dropping to 1AA is probably more attractive than joining CUSA or the MAC (at least they can play regional rivals like URI/Nova/Ivy's which are similar talent level). At this point, the only reason to keep FB and continue to lose millions each year is the hope of a P5 invite, which is exactly what the BE must guard against if they're going to throw them this lifeline.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby MilitantEagle on Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:04 pm

claver2010 wrote:
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My sense is there are folks in the AAC who view this as a chance to upgrade from UConn.
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I would think FIU (enrollment 53,000) would be a top target.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby tallsy on Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:50 pm

While I see no real clear path forward until maybe something breaking loose in 2025. IMO, UConn is in slightly better shape than UMass and NMSU. Better basketball means there will be some cache to playing them. Sure, they will get pasted once or twice a season by an SEC school in a buy game and 4 or 5 no names. But the schedule will probably wind up more intriguing to fans and with the bowl games going up again will have a shot for a post-season. No chance in a conference where everyone except Tulane has a stronger commitment to football.

As far as AAC, I look at Army first, but they'll say no. Then I try UAB despite their recent issues. Actual fanbase in a real market and competitive at basketball. The FI/AU inflate their size with online attendance. And the Miami market is much more fair weather.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Bryn Mawr Eagle on Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:01 pm

As a Villanova basketball season ticket holder, I have no objection to UConn returning to the Big East. I'd much rather see them play over Creighton, Butler or Xavier any day.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby claver2010 on Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:51 pm

AdamBC wrote:Is it time for UConn to give up on their football experiment as they return to the Big East?

https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-hu ... -story.htm


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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Los on Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:46 pm

Is there another program in the country where the rowing donations outpace the donations of an FBS football program by almost 2:1?
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby BC923 on Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:11 pm

Los wrote:Is there another program in the country where the rowing donations outpace the donations of an FBS football program by almost 2:1?

Dartmouth could be one
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Primetime on Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:22 pm

BC923 wrote:
Los wrote:Is there another program in the country where the rowing donations outpace the donations of an FBS football program by almost 2:1?

Dartmouth could be one


Dartmouth would be FCS, but yes, every Ivy League school and Georgetown could possibly have rowing donations that outpace football.

The funny part is that UConn only sponsors women's rowing, not men's (not being sexist, but men's programs are liable to have higher donations).

It's unlikely at the FBS level - the only schools that sponsor both FBS football and men's rowing are: Stanford, Washington, Cal, Oregon State, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Navy, Temple. Maybe Temple? Rutgers might have been close back in the day before they cut the men's rowing program.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby twballgame9 on Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:56 pm

Almost all schools sponsor only women's crew and give scholarships. Thank the football team.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:35 am

HJS wrote:http://www.wralsportsfan.com/john-swofford-has-a-b1g-problem/11790747/

John Swofford is retiring after the 20/21 season.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby eagle33 on Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:16 pm

HJS wrote:
HJS wrote:http://www.wralsportsfan.com/john-swofford-has-a-b1g-problem/11790747/

John Swofford is retiring after the 20/21 season.


jarmond gets mentioned as an outside the box candidate by the athletic:

The Outside-the-Box Hires (Martin Jarmond, John Wildhack, Bernadette McGlade, Ben Tario)

Recently hired at UCLA, Jarmond became the first Black AD with the Bruins and at Boston College, which he led for three years after spending more than a decade in the Big Ten. He has been a hit everywhere he has been, and he learned the business under the influential Gene Smith. Would age and experience work against him? He’ll be only 41 in November and is entering just his fourth year as the head of a department.

What could work in Jarmond’s favor — along with Wildhack’s — is the fact that Syracuse chancellor Kent Syverud is the chair of the ACC’s board of directors. Syverud interviewed Jarmond for the Orange AD job in 2015 that ended up going to Mark Coyle. When Coyle left for Minnesota less than a year later, Syverud hired Wildhack, who, as a former executive vice president of programming and production for ESPN, was considered as outside-the-box as it gets back in 2016.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:01 pm

GOR expire in 26/27 along with the TV deal. Will be interesting to see if the ACC uses this moment (hiring a new AD) to extend the GOR beyond the deal to ensure stability of the conference post-TV deals. Could otherwise be a bunch of uncertainty in the coming years as these deals expire and cable fixed fees are no longer a thing. B12 instability may also cause another round of expansion.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Eaglekeeper on Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:12 am

GOR is through 2036-2037.

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:01 am

Eaglekeeper wrote:GOR is through 2036-2037.

Go Eagles!

You are off by a year, but otherwise correct. The GOR was extended with the extension of the ESPN deal (I completely forgot).
https://www.syracuse.com/orangesports/2 ... eport.html
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby westcoastbernie on Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:46 pm

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:22 pm

eagle33 wrote:
HJS wrote:
HJS wrote:http://www.wralsportsfan.com/john-swofford-has-a-b1g-problem/11790747/

John Swofford is retiring after the 20/21 season.


jarmond gets mentioned as an outside the box candidate by the athletic:

The Outside-the-Box Hires (Martin Jarmond, John Wildhack, Bernadette McGlade, Ben Tario)

Recently hired at UCLA, Jarmond became the first Black AD with the Bruins and at Boston College, which he led for three years after spending more than a decade in the Big Ten. He has been a hit everywhere he has been, and he learned the business under the influential Gene Smith. Would age and experience work against him? He’ll be only 41 in November and is entering just his fourth year as the head of a department.

What could work in Jarmond’s favor — along with Wildhack’s — is the fact that Syracuse chancellor Kent Syverud is the chair of the ACC’s board of directors. Syverud interviewed Jarmond for the Orange AD job in 2015 that ended up going to Mark Coyle. When Coyle left for Minnesota less than a year later, Syverud hired Wildhack, who, as a former executive vice president of programming and production for ESPN, was considered as outside-the-box as it gets back in 2016.

The next Commish is Jim Phillips... current Northwestern AD.
https://theacc.com/news/2020/12/14/gene ... ioner.aspx
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:52 pm

HJS wrote:
Eaglekeeper wrote:GOR is through 2036-2037.

Go Eagles!

You are off by a year, but otherwise correct. The GOR was extended with the extension of the ESPN deal (I completely forgot).
https://www.syracuse.com/orangesports/2 ... eport.html

Today's SCOTUS decision, when combined with the NBA's minor league and the stupid Playoff Expansion proposal, means that the landscape for college sports is going to be changing drastically (sooner rather than later). Kudos to the NCAA for pushing a case they were obviously going to lose to give the public clarity on its demise.

The NCAA will soon be leaving the business of administration of large money athletic events will likely refocus itself on its original purpose of promoting (often unprofitable) amateur athletic events. So, think of a non-revenue sports and DIII-like football and basketball. Essentially... sports hosted for actual students of the school (i.e. not for semi-pro players who only got into the school because of their ball bouncing skills).

The Power 5 schools are now free to forge their own path. Will be very interesting to see how they are able to do it (likely modelling themselves after minor leagues). Given the breadth of their membership, it is entirely possible that they could get some sort of Congressional blessing to accomplish this (without running afoul of antitrust).
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Eaglekeeper on Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:14 pm

I think the P5 will just copy the NFL. Salary cap and smaller rosters (65) but no draft. P5 could negotiate one TV contract that would probably even net more per team than the Big 10 currently receives. TV markets will be key and BC will be an important franchise.

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby eagle33 on Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:51 pm

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby flyingelvii on Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:00 pm

Reach out to the SEC. Big difference for now.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Corporal Funishment on Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:29 pm

claver2010 wrote:
AdamBC wrote:Is it time for UConn to give up on their football experiment as they return to the Big East?

https://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-hu ... -story.htm


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Hard to cut the check for a team's worth of scholarships with that level of liquidity.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby ATLeagle on Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:27 am

The Big 12 break up is bad for BC. The Big Ten will target the ACC to keep up with the SEC.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:41 am

ATLeagle wrote:The Big 12 break up is bad for BC. The Big Ten will target the ACC to keep up with the SEC.

after they invite yukon, of course
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby HJS on Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:45 am

ATLeagle wrote:The Big 12 break up is bad for BC. The Big Ten will target the ACC to keep up with the SEC.

How big can the B10 get? They are at 14. They would want 2 of ND, GT, UVA and UNC (with the last two the most likely). With a GOR through 2035, I think it would be very difficult to get any of these folks to jump at a time where there has been so much uncertainty and where the B10 has done nothing for Maryland. That said, I think a B12 has been teetering for a while and their GOR is about to expire and ESPN can't financially support separate deals for the Longhorns. Everyone knew their next round would be ripe for significant change. I think the most likely carousel move will result in Kansas and Okie St moving to B10. I think the couch-burners of WV would be the most likely target of the ACC (and create a situation where the ACC has a contiguous map). This would leave the B12 in a position to absorb the AAC (under the B12 banner). Ultimately, P12 would grab teams like Boise, BYU, UNLV and New Mexico. That would give you a ready-to-break-from-the-NCAA Power 5 80-team minor league. It won't work out that way and you'll wind up with some weird moves. But, what I outlined above makes the most sense.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:04 am

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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:33 pm

The Big10 still sucks at most sports last I checked. Maybe the ACC will steal tOSU and the other relevant Big10 program, whatever the fuck that is. Penn State?
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby CowboyEagle22 on Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:07 pm

If the reports are true that Texas and Oklahoma are going to notify the league they will not renew their grant of rights, it may mean they are looking for a negotiated settlement before making a commitment to the SEC. The GOR runs through 2025, so the only point of sending the letter is to open talks about a departure. Alternatively, they may be looking to change their deal with the league. Supposedly their exit fee will be $150 million combined and they will be stuck in the league for two years. The threat here is they will just wait out the TV deal and bolt after 2025 leaving the other schools with nothing.

The news also claims that the remaining eight schools agreed to find other homes as their first option. That sounds like an odd thing, but it could be that other schools have been looking for an exit too. It would be very strange if schools like Oklahoma State and Kansas ended up in the Mountain West.

I wonder if the ACC will take a run at WVU. It is not longer about cable boxes, but streaming subs. Rivalries make good content, so WV - Pitt, WV - Louisville, WV - VT and even games with BC and Syracuse add value.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby Dick Rosenthal on Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:45 pm

CowboyEagle22 wrote:If the reports are true that Texas and Oklahoma are going to notify the league they will not renew their grant of rights, it may mean they are looking for a negotiated settlement before making a commitment to the SEC. The GOR runs through 2025, so the only point of sending the letter is to open talks about a departure. Alternatively, they may be looking to change their deal with the league. Supposedly their exit fee will be $150 million combined and they will be stuck in the league for two years. The threat here is they will just wait out the TV deal and bolt after 2025 leaving the other schools with nothing.

The news also claims that the remaining eight schools agreed to find other homes as their first option. That sounds like an odd thing, but it could be that other schools have been looking for an exit too. It would be very strange if schools like Oklahoma State and Kansas ended up in the Mountain West.

I wonder if the ACC will take a run at WVU. It is not longer about cable boxes, but streaming subs. Rivalries make good content, so WV - Pitt, WV - Louisville, WV - VT and even games with BC and Syracuse add value.


And it gives Louisville an academic peer.
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Re: Maryland may actually be leaving the ACC

Postby 2001Eagle on Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:38 pm

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