by bignick33 on Sun Sep 02, 2012 4:18 pm
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I don't like to pile on when people are down, but this is a very exceptional case.
My position is this:
Penn State officials, players, fans, coaches, et al have continually said, "the JS situation is not a football issue" and that's just flat wrong. It is, most specifically, a football issue.
The simple fact is that if PSU football were not so revered, so depended on by that community and football, hereby known as a Cult of Personality (around Paterno) JS would have been readily ferreted out, his PED factory shut down YEARS ago - saving many young men from abuse at the hands of a monster and his monster wife.
PSU football had become, much like our big bloated and criminal banks - too big to fail. As a result, it failed as big as possible in the most crucial game the program ever faced. It was a blowout. A drubbing of massive proportions.
You have attacked the Freeh Report. You have been spewing vitriol at the NCAA, The Freeh Committee, and even the excessive and favorable tenor coming from the CFB and ESPN media. It's ridiculous. Your priorities are still 1) Penn State Football, and Paterno's non-existent legacy. The fact that so many men chose to ignore it is barely mentioned by PSU fans, players, etc. The victims get (barely) cursory lip service. And this attitude, this exalted place PSU football holds in your minds, and in your hearts IS THE VERY REASON this happened. You people, you fans, essentially demanded a cover-up. You would have tolerated nothing less. You are still wishing the cover up was in effect.
PSU football means NOTHING compared to the health, well-being, and safety of our young men and women. The children are really ALL that matters in this situation.
I recognize that some PSU folks realize this, but not nearly enough. I am as die-hard a football fan as you'll find anywhere. But I recognize that football doesn't mean anything compared to this. Paterno's reputation and legacy is not worth anything compared to the health and safety of any young person.
I have ALWAYS had great respect for Penn State. Love the no nonsense unis. Loved the commitment to winning with honor. I grew up in FL but was rooting for PSU in the Orange Bowl against FSU as anyone (I was there). I hope, at some point, this can all be put to bed and I can go back to being proud to have PSU in my favorite sport and past-time. At this time, I cannot do that.
I will be able to do that when the PSU community realizes it got off extremely lightly. I will be able to do this when citizens of Nittany Lion nation step up and state, unequivocally, that a great and egregious wrong occurred at Penn State for YEARS. I will be able to do this when you folks realize and admit that YOU, the PSU supporters and fans are ultimately the root of this evil.
Love your school. Love your football program. But love humanity more. Embrace morality.
Until these things happen, I will sit back and fully enjoy the dramatic downward slide this program began with a defeat, at home, to a low level MAC school. It's going to get worse. The schollies will erode your depth, the losing will erode your recruiting, and this will ultimately reduce PSU football to a MAC school playing, embarrassingly, in a massive stadium.
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Go Fvck Yourself! Ok so it was 3.
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Take your moral diatribe to another forum. You have not a clue as to what happened. Congratulations on lapping up the media pablum devoid of fact and rife with sensationalism and then regurgitating same. You are a perfect example of what is wrong with America today. Unable to think for yourself, you are dependent on someone else to do your thinking for you.
Try reading the so called Freeh "report" along with the conclusions therein. Come back and make logical sense of it if you can before making such damning conclusions regarding PSU, Joe's legacy, and where the fault lies.
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Your theory is destroyed by the simple fact that if Penn State "solved" this in '01 the football program likely would've prospered because they were able to end the abuse when the DA, State Police and CPA, in addition to many others, were unable to end in '98! Joe Paterno would've been even bigger!! Imagine that, genius!!!
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Wrong. "I will be able to do this (support PSU) when... Reply
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...you folks realize and admit that YOU, the PSU supporters and fans are ultimately the root of this evil." Sorry pal, I am not the root of any evil. I would never admit as much and neither would anyone else on this board. Ridiculous.
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Love your school. Love your football program. But love humanity more. Embrace morality.
Where your logic fails you is the fact that the truth has not been discovered as of yet. It so easy for one who can only point a finger and believe what was written in the Freeh report. What your missing is that there was indeed a cover-up and it is still being implimented. Those involved would love to see it end right now at the university level. It appears that this could be much larger than what is being reported. JoePa was the lamb and the University is the scapegoat.
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Get a life you idiotic simple human being. Get off this board and go something productive with you're life, This was a football game. Not life or death but just a game. You hating people make this to be more than it is yet we have a culture problem. Proud of the kids, better days are ahead.
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Your point is ridiculous. You know nothing about the whole situation, yet Reply
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you come here and proclaim yourself all knowing and another judge, jury and executioner. You made your stupid point, now leave and don't come back.
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Single most stupid post in message board history....What a bunch of drivel.
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Glass houses my man
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Careful now, troll boy- Sandusky also coached at Boston College. Will you feel the same if that that shoe drops?
If I don't respond to you, it's probably because you're a whiner, so I blocked you. Congrats!
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Hey EagleGrad, I love people who have no background on this and still run their mouths. Prove to me how our kids....fans had anything to do with this?
Sorry our school graduates its players. Sorry that a FORMER coach is a pervert. Sorry government agencies didn't stop this monster.
You are a classless and clueless clown who destroys the concept of freedom of speech. You're truly just someone who wants to feel better because his "EAGLES" are irrelevant.
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The pleasure you derive from this is a result of sexual abuse. Reply
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How you can revel in that is beyond me. What a miserable, pathetic existence you lead.
In the end, we remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends...
Martin Luther King Jr.
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You see, these responses are extremely intelligent, factual, and thought-provoking. They certainly prove that the core problem in this entire scenario is the blind devotion to PSU football - above ALL else. That is wrong. Football is simply a sport. A game. An inconsequential entertainment industry. It carries too much weight among those on this board.
Whether I accept the Freeh Report or not has no bearing on anything. Whether you all accept it has no bearing on anything.
All that matters is that Penn State University officially accepted the Freeh findings, and the subsequent penalties.
While it's fine and I'm sure somewhat therapeutic for many of you to pile on this thread, spewing even more hate, vitriol, and foul language into the world. It does not help the public perception of your university. This message board has become a rallying cry for those who hate Penn State. You are not representing yourselves well. Penn State as an academic institution deserves far better than the light you are casting.
In the end, you are the few, the loud, the exceptions to the rule. Colleagues of my employed in an academic capacity at PSU (I'm a professor elsewhere) have expressed this opinion to me repeatedly. The nation views your anger at the Freeh Report and the big bad media extremely negatively.
This is sad, because in my experience almost all Penn Staters who care about PSU as an academic institution feel basically the opposite of those on this board. and more importantly, actually out-number people of the ilk here by a massive proportion.
They also deserve better.
I've said my peace, there is no reason for me to be here further. With that, I will leave you in peace. I will pray for you, and for your ability to eventually see that your anger, bitterness, and slavish devotion to a deeply flawed "man" and sport is woefully misguided.
Human beings over football. Always and without fail.
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Pop quiz ... which one of the following is an NCAA violation:
1. A former coach is convicted of crimes
2. A player gets paid money to shave points on multiple games
I'd write a lengthy diatribe on the evils of point shaving and connections to the underworld, but I have better things to do with my time.
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Oh shut up, really. And I can't believe you're a professor. Reply
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Your self serving, fart sniffing diatribe is so full of typos I'm embarassed for you.
In the end, we remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends...
Martin Luther King Jr.
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Here's what you need to do:
1.You need to read the entire Freeh Report from cover to cover. Not the executive summary, but the whole thing.
2. Read the analysis/criticism of the Freeh Report provided by Graham Spanier and his attorneys.
3. Try thinking about what you've read for a couple of days.
4. Come back and either restate how we all deserve to watch our program crash and burn, OR apologize.
Until you do all of these things, shut up and go away. Your comments are worthless.
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Really???? I just don't get these idiots who come here and try to preach. Your ignorant ignorant ignorant ignorant person. I will take the time now to track you down and give you a beating of a life time. People lIke you need a beating to set you back into reality. I got your IP address.
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I love the part about human beings first....yet he feels our kids who did nothing wrong deserved this.
Also, if you are a 'professor' elsewhere, and as educated as you say you are, please tell me how this is a football issue. If you took the time to read the Freeh report, you'd ha ve major issues with it. I know you haven't read it, and if you say you did, then I know you aren't as educated as you claim.
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Eagle, I have pity for you if as you say, you admired PSU for the stated reasons then could be so easily swayed by the Freeh summary and news conference (you obviously didn't read the report). Of course, supposed, smarter men then you have fallen into this same trap and have become lemmings and mouth pieces for ESPN, Freeh, Emmert and PSU's own board of trustees.
Personally I think you need to move on and permit those of us, that think differently, to remain and seek the truth. Yes, the truth, because due process has yet to be served with regards to anyone's culpability, if any, in this travesty. If and when the truth is exposed by due process, instead of prosecutorial rhetoric by a hired assassin. we will all move on. Until such time I would appreciate it if you would stick your idiotic opinion where the sun doesn't shine.....
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"I don't want to".....or some similar caveat, laughable because it is evident what they "don't want to do" is iexactly the reason they post in the first place. It's known as Schadenfreude and I just know your are feeling better about yourself after making your post. Perhaps it prevented you from kicking your dog later in the day, and if so, I'm glad we could be of service to you.
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Originally posted by PSU.:.:
Really???? I just don't get these idiots who come here and try to preach. Your ignorant ignorant ignorant ignorant person. I will take the time now to track you down and give you a beating of a life time. People lIke you need a beating to set you back into reality. I got your IP address.
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MIAMI ROLLS BC!!!
Nice win by former PSU football player, Al Golden.
Oh, I also don't care what your position is and neither does anyone else.
Good day.
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70 Mount Vernon Street. Boston, MA 02108.
I apologize for feeling sorry for you. Boston, Ma; the home of political correctness and liberal ideology. You certainly can't help yourself, feeling the way you do.....
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I thought Eagle promised to not come back....already breaking promises....
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Most people believe Kennedy was shot by multiple people, leading to a conspiracy he was killed by people in power.
Many people believe Bush had a hand in 9/11.
Just because a handful of people at this University (the ones who are being puppeted by a guilty conscious governor), doesn't make the Freeh report gospel.
I can bet you two things:
(1) - You have never read the Freeh report, let alone considered many educated, honest, and proper challenges to it.
(2) - You are not acting in any classy way by coming here and instigating people on a very sensitive, contraversial then you our responses as saying "see!! this is why people believe you are a cult!!" It's like someone poking an injured golden retriever and saying "see i told you dogs are dangerous!!"
Clearly someone who is a professor as you claim you are would have a much more intellectually honest approach to this. Unfortunatel and ironically, you are acting like the sheeple of this country that accept anything and everything told to them by bright shiny objects.
"Strength and Honor"
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You came here to tell us football isn't important then you post your home address on a football message board? Seems pretty important to someone
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I'll say this in response to your sanctimonious sermon: if there is a "cult" problem at Penn State, then I can name at least 25 other places across the cfb landscape who have the same, exact problem. Think Nick Saban isn't on the same pedistal in AL as Joe was here?
Quite honestly, it's people like you who bait the less than sociable responses out of some of us. Nobody here did ANYTHING to any one of JS's victims, and for you to suggest that we played a crucial role in his crimes is as insensitive as it is stupid. I sincerely hope that you're merely stirring the pot to get a rise out of some of the posters, because if you are, as you claim, a teacher to anyone with an open mind, then I fear for the futures of those you have influenced.
Time still hasn't told the whole story of what happened at Penn State, and there are more than Penn Staters who have opined that there are some important holes in mr. freeh's assumptions. So, I ask you this - if it turns out that actual testimony in a real court of law paints a different picture that the "report"...if it turns out that perhaps mistakes were made, but there was no cover-up...will you come back to our board and apologize to our "cult"? Or is your mind already made up, facts be damned?
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