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DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:The problem with Patchem is that he only has one year. The good thing is that he will start. The bad thing is that he will probably be our best lineman.

Daz may not like it but I will be expecting a top 37 class next year.

He'll need a top25 class to make up for this year.

He'll have enough schollies to hand out to get into the Top 25, but my benchmark will be for the team to be ranked in the Top 32 on Rivals.

As for Patcham... he is a good fit for what should be a run to 8-wins... which will definitely put a Top 25 class well within reach.

You are on fucking crack if you think this team is winning 8 games next year.

Hansen thinks we should be in the BCS the following year. What would you say he is on?

gaelfu {l Wrote}:I can't imagine he said that. Did he?

NotoriousOrange {l Wrote}:

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NotoriousOrange {l Wrote}:Gents, the future will prove me right or wrong. I stand by my opinion and think BC will climb out of the morass that Spaz left us in

Daz and Proud - Say it out loud!!

climb to 6-6 or climb to acccg?

Will take 4 years but back to the ACCCG

then he was not the right hire... the right hire could go 7-6 next year and then BCS game the following year

Haven't you and most posters (including me) been down on the last year of Jags/first 1/2 year of Spaz recruiting and all subsequent years of Spaz recruiting?

How would you analyze the current talent level on the roster?

the depth is not there but there is still plenty of front line talent to win 6 games in a shit conference and get to some shit bowl game (especially with a senior QB).

My question was more about your reference to right coach to BCS in year 2

i think the right coach could do it in the ACC. he would need to recruit his ass off but not impossible. would also have to give some reps to the backup QB to prepare for the following year. we would get blown out in the BCS game but thats irrelevant. my point is the ACC is not good and we are not that far behind.

i personally think the talent is not as bad as most make it out to be. the starters are serviceable for the most part. the backups is where the talent gap is noticeable. you could scheme around a lot of the weaknesses... the secondary, OL, DL. probably employ a lot of delayed LB blitzing to make up the lack of pass rush by the DL and play cushion in the secondary to prevent giving up the big play.

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DuchesneEast {l Wrote}:The problem with Patchem is that he only has one year. The good thing is that he will start. The bad thing is that he will probably be our best lineman.

Daz may not like it but I will be expecting a top 37 class next year.

He'll need a top25 class to make up for this year.

He'll have enough schollies to hand out to get into the Top 25, but my benchmark will be for the team to be ranked in the Top 32 on Rivals.

As for Patcham... he is a good fit for what should be a run to 8-wins... which will definitely put a Top 25 class well within reach.

You are on fucking crack if you think this team is winning 8 games next year.

Hansen thinks we should be in the BCS the following year. What would you say he is on?

I can't imagine he said that. Did he?

hansen {l Wrote}:BC scout rankings

Year Rank Commits 5* 4* 3* 2* Avg
2003 27 24 0 1 12 11 2.58
2004 42 20 1 0 7 12 2.50
2005 58 16 0 1 6 9 2.50
2006 44 20 0 0 8 12 2.40
2007 50 18 0 3 7 8 2.72
2008 22 29 0 2 13 14 2.59
2009 81 18 0 0 6 12 2.33
2010 43 21 0 2 11 8 2.71
2011 35 22 0 1 15 6 2.77
2012 71 17 0 0 10 7 2.59
2013 91 15 0 0 4 11 2.20

avg from 2003-2013 is 2.57

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

hansen {l Wrote}:BC scout rankings

Year Rank Commits 5* 4* 3* 2* Avg
2003 27 24 0 1 12 11 2.58
2004 42 20 1 0 7 12 2.50
2005 58 16 0 1 6 9 2.50
2006 44 20 0 0 8 12 2.40
2007 50 18 0 3 7 8 2.72
2008 22 29 0 2 13 14 2.59
2009 81 18 0 0 6 12 2.33
2010 43 21 0 2 11 8 2.71
2011 35 22 0 1 15 6 2.77
2012 71 17 0 0 10 7 2.59
2013 91 15 0 0 4 11 2.20

avg from 2003-2013 is 2.57

I don't think the averages are overly helpful because they include three transition classes. Maybe if you take out 07, 09 and 13

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

hansen {l Wrote}:BC scout rankings

Year Rank Commits 5* 4* 3* 2* Avg
2003 27 24 0 1 12 11 2.58
2004 42 20 1 0 7 12 2.50
2005 58 16 0 1 6 9 2.50
2006 44 20 0 0 8 12 2.40
2007 50 18 0 3 7 8 2.72
2008 22 29 0 2 13 14 2.59
2009 81 18 0 0 6 12 2.33
2010 43 21 0 2 11 8 2.71
2011 35 22 0 1 15 6 2.77
2012 71 17 0 0 10 7 2.59
2013 91 15 0 0 4 11 2.20

avg from 2003-2013 is 2.57

and if you could make it a little less readable, that would be great...

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

hansen {l Wrote}:BC scout rankings

Year Rank Commits 5* 4* 3* 2* Avg
2003 27 24 0 1 12 11 2.58
2004 42 20 1 0 7 12 2.50
2005 58 16 0 1 6 9 2.50
2006 44 20 0 0 8 12 2.40
2007 50 18 0 3 7 8 2.72
2008 22 29 0 2 13 14 2.59
2009 81 18 0 0 6 12 2.33
2010 43 21 0 2 11 8 2.71
2011 35 22 0 1 15 6 2.77
2012 71 17 0 0 10 7 2.59
2013 91 15 0 0 4 11 2.20

avg from 2003-2013 is 2.57

I don't think the averages are overly helpful because they include three transition classes. Maybe if you take out 07, 09 and 13

hinghameagle {l Wrote}:HJS: Quit the BS with the 8 win nonsense for next year. I know you dont believe that this team is doing an 8-4 next year. You are posting it only so that if they get to 6-6, you can crush the Dazzler and say he underperformed. I will challenge you to find one out of the hundreds of preseason magazines, blogs, columns or whatever else that doesnt have your name on it that predicts 8-4 or better for BC next year.

hinghameagle {l Wrote}:HJS: Quit the BS with the 8 win nonsense for next year. I know you dont believe that this team is doing an 8-4 next year. You are posting it only so that if they get to 6-6, you can crush the Dazzler and say he underperformed. I will challenge you to find one out of the hundreds of preseason magazines, blogs, columns or whatever else that doesnt have your name on it that predicts 8-4 or better for BC next year.

Iggle {l Wrote}:If VT is roughly of the same quality as they were last year, that's a game we should win. If they rebound big, then it'll be tougher to get to 7-5. Drawing UNC away isn't helping either, as I think they're poised to be pretty good next year. We have 3 (oh god, please, let us have 3) must wins in Stony Brook, Army, and NM State. From there it's just trying to pull as many wins out of Syracuse, Wake, NC State, and Maryland as possible. It'd help if VT and UNC weren't very good but we're going to have to wait and see. I think 6-6 is a reasonable expectation for a good coach.

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Iggle {l Wrote}:If VT is roughly of the same quality as they were last year, that's a game we should win. If they rebound big, then it'll be tougher to get to 7-5. Drawing UNC away isn't helping either, as I think they're poised to be pretty good next year. We have 3 (oh god, please, let us have 3) must wins in Stony Brook, Army, and NM State. From there it's just trying to pull as many wins out of Syracuse, Wake, NC State, and Maryland as possible. It'd help if VT and UNC weren't very good but we're going to have to wait and see. I think 6-6 is a reasonable expectation for a good coach.

I think 6-6 is the best to hope for, but I think 4 or 5 wins is a more realistic result. The Defense still absolutely blows and needs a major talent infusion, so that's not going away. I won't necessarily let the number of wins be the gauge for whether or not The Dazzler is going to be good for BC - but rather it will have to be progression out of the team, agressive gameplay and coaching, and most of all whether or not he can put together a good recruiting class in his first full year. If he fails to meet these benchmarks, we'll know that Bates f'ed up and The Dazzler hire will prove disastrous.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:The defense isn't the defense anymore. The change in scheme will hide some talent deficiencies on D, and may actually revive the careers of a few corners that fell asleep in the cover 2 cushion.

HJS {l Wrote}:I challenge you to find someone predicting 2-wins for last year's team.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:I challenge you to find someone predicting 2-wins for last year's team.

i said 2 wins but then all my posts were deleted so i can't go back and prove it

NotoriousOrange {l Wrote}:

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

HJS {l Wrote}:I challenge you to find someone predicting 2-wins for last year's team.

i said 2 wins but then all my posts were deleted so i can't go back and prove it

It is a shame that they deleted your posts and messed up every thread you posted in - really sucks that they would treat you this way.

hinghameagle {l Wrote}:all the 7 and 8 win posters fail to recognize that the talent on our team is woefully deficient in comparison to the rest of our ACC bretheren. I will agree that Spaz was a hideous coach and casued the current condition of our program. Most everybody here agrees that the Dazzler was apoor hire and he is coming off a 4-7 season with a much weaker schedule. Rettig is our best player, but I see him throwing the ball a lot on 3rd and 6 or so next year. His numbers will be down. Brown was the best addition to the BC football program in about 3 years. I think he will shave some points off, but there is still no pass rush or CB's who can cover. I see many posters analyzing the following games as wins, NC St, Gt, Vt, MD and so forth. I guarantee you every poster on their boards are looking at BC and saying "AUTOMATIC WIN."

bceagles24 {l Wrote}:I don't know if I'd say they didn't care about the 2013 class but with limited spots I'd say 2014 was the biggest priority. On Patchan my UF guys said if he can stay healthy which is a big if the exact phrase from one of them was he's a fucking savage that you will love.

MattTheEagle {l Wrote}:Overall, it was a good day. I am not too concerned about not getting Robert Davis, whereas landing Patchan was huge. Patchan will be able to help us from Day 1.

This whole HJS stupidity of Addazio recruiting worse than Spaz is horseshit. You inevitably lose a few recruits from coaching changes, particularly when you completely clean house with the staff (which the fact that only Washington remains is a very very good thing). HJS is being a moron for believing that if Addazio was a good recruiter he would have significantly improved this class come signing day. Look at Golden's 2011 class, it sucks, and arguably worse than Spaz's 2011 class. At best Addazio would land maybe one or two quality recruits in 2013. The real test is for the 2014 class, and I have reasons to believe Addazio will do a very good job.

BCSUPERFAN22 {l Wrote}:

MattTheEagle {l Wrote}:Overall, it was a good day. I am not too concerned about not getting Robert Davis, whereas landing Patchan was huge. Patchan will be able to help us from Day 1.

This whole HJS stupidity of Addazio recruiting worse than Spaz is horseshit. You inevitably lose a few recruits from coaching changes, particularly when you completely clean house with the staff (which the fact that only Washington remains is a very very good thing). HJS is being a moron for believing that if Addazio was a good recruiter he would have significantly improved this class come signing day. Look at Golden's 2011 class, it sucks, and arguably worse than Spaz's 2011 class. At best Addazio would land maybe one or two quality recruits in 2013. The real test is for the 2014 class, and I have reasons to believe Addazio will do a very good job.

Patchan is huge if he stays healthy. And that's a big if. Wen isaw he commited, I first thought Spadazzio deserved some props for beating out tOSU. After I thought about it, the more reasonable explanation was that OSU wasn't interested and BC was his only choice because his health is a major liability.

hinghameagle {l Wrote}:Further HJS, you acknowledge that Spaz was a disastrous coach, and I agree with you 100%. Additionally you have been trashing Dazz since the hire in both his recruiting and poor coaching last year at Temple. And again I might agree with you. But this raises the question, how do you on one hand trash Dazz, and on the other have him turning this team into a 6 win improvement over last year.

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BCSUPERFAN22 {l Wrote}:

MattTheEagle {l Wrote}:Overall, it was a good day. I am not too concerned about not getting Robert Davis, whereas landing Patchan was huge. Patchan will be able to help us from Day 1.

This whole HJS stupidity of Addazio recruiting worse than Spaz is horseshit. You inevitably lose a few recruits from coaching changes, particularly when you completely clean house with the staff (which the fact that only Washington remains is a very very good thing). HJS is being a moron for believing that if Addazio was a good recruiter he would have significantly improved this class come signing day. Look at Golden's 2011 class, it sucks, and arguably worse than Spaz's 2011 class. At best Addazio would land maybe one or two quality recruits in 2013. The real test is for the 2014 class, and I have reasons to believe Addazio will do a very good job.

Patchan is huge if he stays healthy. And that's a big if. Wen isaw he commited, I first thought Spadazzio deserved some props for beating out tOSU. After I thought about it, the more reasonable explanation was that OSU wasn't interested and BC was his only choice because his health is a major liability.

If Addazio wasn't the coach, he wouldn't have even considered BC, he deserves credit for that

Good kid, good athlete, good size. Average speed, slow release, strong arm. IMHO, he will end up at a different position. He was a good player in HS, but he was surrounded by other good players and all he had to do was distribute the ball, not carry the offense. He will be a solid citizen, but he was not even Ohio Univeristy's first choice at QB. And yes OU runs the spread read option. The same offense BC will be running. Lowrie will be Bordner's backup. They will recruit over Walsh in 2014.

As i said before Walsh's HS is in our league. My QB signed with Air Force Wednesday, and my back-up is a better QB than Walsh. Not a better athlete, but a better QB. He'll be a senior starter this year and he will end up playing in the MAC most likely, possibly low level BCS if he really lights things up.

BTW we have been running the read option as part of our package for at least 8 years. In my experience at the HS level we needed a different goal line approach and mentality so we would run a lot of 3 back stuff in the pistol near the goal line. All in all we had 7 kids sign D2 or above yesterday. That's a little more than usual for us. Air Force, Illinois, Miami were the headliners. Five more went D3 or NAIA.

31southst {l Wrote}:Rock.O's evaluation of Walsh FWIW:

Good kid, good athlete, good size. Average speed, slow release, strong arm. IMHO, he will end up at a different position. He was a good player in HS, but he was surrounded by other good players and all he had to do was distribute the ball, not carry the offense. He will be a solid citizen, but he was not even Ohio Univeristy's first choice at QB. And yes OU runs the spread read option. The same offense BC will be running. Lowrie will be Bordner's backup. They will recruit over Walsh in 2014.

As i said before Walsh's HS is in our league. My QB signed with Air Force Wednesday, and my back-up is a better QB than Walsh. Not a better athlete, but a better QB. He'll be a senior starter this year and he will end up playing in the MAC most likely, possibly low level BCS if he really lights things up.

BTW we have been running the read option as part of our package for at least 8 years. In my experience at the HS level we needed a different goal line approach and mentality so we would run a lot of 3 back stuff in the pistol near the goal line. All in all we had 7 kids sign D2 or above yesterday. That's a little more than usual for us. Air Force, Illinois, Miami were the headliners. Five more went D3 or NAIA.

Based on that description I think Walsh actually does make a lot of sense as a flier in a coaching transition class. He does not however warrant chasing off the best recruit in our class. I do hope I'm wrong though.