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Since McQueary was an unpaid intern at the time he witnessed the shower scene, do you think the reason he went to Paterno and not the police was because he feared being arrested for violating the U.S. constitution?

hansen {l Wrote}:Since McQueary was an unpaid intern at the time he witnessed the shower scene, do you think the reason he went to Paterno and not the police was because he feared being arrested for violating the U.S. constitution?

Wasn't Mike McQuery in graduate school at Penn State at the time he witnessed the boy being ass fucked by Sandusky?

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

hansen {l Wrote}:Since McQueary was an unpaid intern at the time he witnessed the shower scene, do you think the reason he went to Paterno and not the police was because he feared being arrested for violating the U.S. constitution?

Wasn't Mike McQuery in graduate school at Penn State at the time he witnessed the boy being ass fucked by Sandusky?

Yup, his internship (unpaid) was a GA job with penn st....

I'm still thoroughly enjoying the Voluntary Unpaid Internship = Involuntary Servitude = Slavery equation. I'm bullshit at anyone who says it doesn't belong in this or any other thread. I just hope nospace continues to stick to his convictions, no matter how preposterous.

ryrob {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

ryrob {l Wrote}:Take this retarded internship shit to its own worthless thread in MAs. At least I kept my somewhat on topic.

If Bcfan94 being a needle dick moron is on topic than so did I. I think it is.

Your legal with child pornography boy is fine, and hugely entertaining. Not sure how this internship nonsense came into play again, mainly because I don't want to wade through 3 pages of INNOCENTBYSTANDERPOSTS.

In IB's defense, he didn't start it, in this thread, and was provoked by others.

I must have missed something but why are some PSU fans blaming McQueary? He is getting death threats.

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I must have missed something but why are some PSU fans blaming McQueary? He is getting death threats.

You think he called the police to report them?

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I must have missed something but why are some PSU fans blaming McQueary? He is getting death threats.

1) Some people are mad at him because he, at 6'5 220something and a former(barely) division 1 athlete spersonally witnessed a 10 year old boy being anally raped and didn't physically intervene, or call the police, or yell, or take any other action to immediately end the assault. Then his career benefited exponentially thereafter, which circumstantially looks very, very bad but is not necessarily causally linked.

2) Some people are mad at him because without his grand jury testimony there would be no JoePa downfall. Snitches get stitches shit* with a central Pennsylvanian twist. He was a much disliked player and was not a particularly well liked coach (by PSU fans I know).

*legal term of art

1 is within the ballpark of legitimacy. 2 is just stupid, but I think probably where some of the death threats are coming from.

It's just awesome that he's not coaching because of the death threats...not because of anything else he may have done wrong.

Without knowing anything about whistleblower laws generally or in PA, the way PSU gas handled McQueary in the last few days (nonsensically) makes me think there might be something to that theory.

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:It's just awesome that he's not coaching because of the death threats...not because of anything else he may have done wrong.

That's precisely what makes me think there's a specific reason they're protecting him. They want to clean house and move on very badly, yet he's the final (known) link to the scandal remaining, and he's a pretty significant one at that.

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:It's just awesome that he's not coaching because of the death threats...not because of anything else he may have done wrong.

That's precisely what makes me think there's a specific reason they're protecting him. They want to clean house and move on very badly, yet he's the final (known) link to the scandal remaining, and he's a pretty significant one at that.

so you think the BOT is issuing death threats?

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:It's just awesome that he's not coaching because of the death threats...not because of anything else he may have done wrong.

That's precisely what makes me think there's a specific reason they're protecting him. They want to clean house and move on very badly, yet he's the final (known) link to the scandal remaining, and he's a pretty significant one at that.

so you think the BOT is issuing death threats?

I think they're exaggerating the threat to his safety as a means to keep him away from the game without undermining his employment status. For what reason, I don't know.

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:It's just awesome that he's not coaching because of the death threats...not because of anything else he may have done wrong.

That's precisely what makes me think there's a specific reason they're protecting him. They want to clean house and move on very badly, yet he's the final (known) link to the scandal remaining, and he's a pretty significant one at that.

If they dumped McQueary he would immediately spill the beans on how Paterno, Curley, and Schultz all sat him down and told him of their plan to cover it up. The real info that Paterno was the major player in a huge coverup would rock the PSU community even further. Paterno would certainly join the others in a perjury case, although that's not a big deal at this point since I give it less than 12 months before Paterno croaks.

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:It's just awesome that he's not coaching because of the death threats...not because of anything else he may have done wrong.

That's precisely what makes me think there's a specific reason they're protecting him. They want to clean house and move on very badly, yet he's the final (known) link to the scandal remaining, and he's a pretty significant one at that.

How much can you actually clean house and still play a football game? I agree it's weird that the most direct link is still there. I don't agree that if he was fired he'd go babbling...after all, he's pretty good at keeping his mouth shut.

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:It's just awesome that he's not coaching because of the death threats...not because of anything else he may have done wrong.

That's precisely what makes me think there's a specific reason they're protecting him. They want to clean house and move on very badly, yet he's the final (known) link to the scandal remaining, and he's a pretty significant one at that.

If they dumped McQueary he would immediately spill the beans on how Paterno, Curley, and Schultz all sat him down and told him of their plan to cover it up. The real info that Paterno was the major player in a huge coverup would rock the PSU community even further. Paterno would certainly join the others in a perjury case, although that's not a big deal at this point since I give it less than 12 months before Paterno croaks.

That could be it. Then again, I don't know what else PSU has to lose at this point.

To fill in some of the pervasive mindset of Penn State fans. Somehow they perceive the media reaction to JoePa as scapegoating. They seem to be filtering out the inevitable prosecution(or suicide) of Sandusky, the firings and career ruination of Curley, Spanier and Schultz and the McQueery situation (which I don't believe has played itself out yet).

To the objective observer, the reason Sandusky is probably less centered upon in the media coverage of blame assignment is that he is so obviously and completely the worst of the worst of the worst. I mean you really can't split hairs on the child rapist's terribleness. The culpability of the others has some semblance of ambiguity at least comparatively among them. Curley, Spanier and Schultz especially are not interesting or well known people relatively, therefore they are not in headlines.

I keep reading comments written addressing the media's need to "tear down heroes," and that JoePa's philanthropy and essentially running a cleaner football program than SMU in 1986 (Sandusky issues aside) so qualifies him as a hero.

Is a lot being made of Bradley's constantly gushing about Pa at his presser? He went a tad far.

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:It's just awesome that he's not coaching because of the death threats...not because of anything else he may have done wrong.

That's precisely what makes me think there's a specific reason they're protecting him. They want to clean house and move on very badly, yet he's the final (known) link to the scandal remaining, and he's a pretty significant one at that.

How much can you actually clean house and still play a football game? I agree it's weird that the most direct link is still there. I don't agree that if he was fired he'd go babbling...after all, he's pretty good at keeping his mouth shut.

All I'm saying is that the way they've handled McQueary has been wildly inconsistent with how they've handled everything else over the last couple of days.

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:It's just awesome that he's not coaching because of the death threats...not because of anything else he may have done wrong.

That's precisely what makes me think there's a specific reason they're protecting him. They want to clean house and move on very badly, yet he's the final (known) link to the scandal remaining, and he's a pretty significant one at that.

How much can you actually clean house and still play a football game? I agree it's weird that the most direct link is still there. I don't agree that if he was fired he'd go babbling...after all, he's pretty good at keeping his mouth shut.

All I'm saying is that the way they've handled McQueary has been wildly inconsistent with how they've handled everything else over the last couple of days.

They have. Maybe there are different legal standards for former slaves. Let me comb through wiki for a minute...

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:To fill in some of the pervasive mindset of Penn State fans. Somehow they perceive the media reaction to JoePa as scapegoating. They seem to be filtering out the inevitable prosecution(or suicide) of Sandusky, the firings and career ruination of Curley, Spanier and Schultz and the McQueery situation (which I don't believe has played itself out yet).

To the objective observer, the reason Sandusky is probably less centered upon in the media coverage of blame assignment is that he is so obviously and completely the worst of the worst of the worst. I mean you really can't split hairs on the child rapist's terribleness. The culpability of the others has some semblance of ambiguity at least comparatively among them. Curley, Spanier and Schultz especially are not interesting or well known people relatively, therefore they are not in headlines.

I keep reading comments written addressing the media's need to "tear down heroes," and that JoePa's philanthropy and essentially running a cleaner football program than SMU in 1986 (Sandusky issues aside) so qualifies him as a hero.

The reaction on BWI has been horrific, and i think is rooted in denial. This might also be one of those situations in which the message board reaction isn't entirely indicative of the general feeling. For example, most of my are friends who are casual BC fans want UConn in the ACC.

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:To fill in some of the pervasive mindset of Penn State fans. Somehow they perceive the media reaction to JoePa as scapegoating. They seem to be filtering out the inevitable prosecution(or suicide) of Sandusky, the firings and career ruination of Curley, Spanier and Schultz and the McQueery situation (which I don't believe has played itself out yet).

To the objective observer, the reason Sandusky is probably less centered upon in the media coverage of blame assignment is that he is so obviously and completely the worst of the worst of the worst. I mean you really can't split hairs on the child rapist's terribleness. The culpability of the others has some semblance of ambiguity at least comparatively among them. Curley, Spanier and Schultz especially are not interesting or well known people relatively, therefore they are not in headlines.

I keep reading comments written addressing the media's need to "tear down heroes," and that JoePa's philanthropy and essentially running a cleaner football program than SMU in 1986 (Sandusky issues aside) so qualifies him as a hero.

The reaction on BWI has been horrific, and i think is rooted in denial. This might also be one of those situations in which the message board reaction isn't entirely indicative of the general feeling. For example, most of my are friends who are casual BC fans want UConn in the ACC.

My PSU friends flat out refuse to discuss this. Up to and including two of them asking me nicely to stop instead of talking shit in kind or telling me to fuck myself. It was weird.

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I must have missed something but why are some PSU fans blaming McQueary? He is getting death threats.

1) Some people are mad at him because he, at 6'5 220something and a former(barely) division 1 athlete spersonally witnessed a 10 year old boy being anally raped and didn't physically intervene, or call the police, or yell, or take any other action to immediately end the assault. Then his career benefited exponentially thereafter, which circumstantially looks very, very bad but is not necessarily causally linked.

2) Some people are mad at him because without his grand jury testimony there would be no JoePa downfall. Snitches get stitches shit* with a central Pennsylvanian twist. He was a much disliked player and was not a particularly well liked coach (by PSU fans I know).

*legal term of art

1 is within the ballpark of legitimacy. 2 is just stupid, but I think probably where some of the death threats are coming from.

Thanks. 1 (not threats but critisism) is coming from people like us. 2 is coming from the "fans" - sickening!

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

bignick33 {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:To fill in some of the pervasive mindset of Penn State fans. Somehow they perceive the media reaction to JoePa as scapegoating. They seem to be filtering out the inevitable prosecution(or suicide) of Sandusky, the firings and career ruination of Curley, Spanier and Schultz and the McQueery situation (which I don't believe has played itself out yet).

To the objective observer, the reason Sandusky is probably less centered upon in the media coverage of blame assignment is that he is so obviously and completely the worst of the worst of the worst. I mean you really can't split hairs on the child rapist's terribleness. The culpability of the others has some semblance of ambiguity at least comparatively among them. Curley, Spanier and Schultz especially are not interesting or well known people relatively, therefore they are not in headlines.

I keep reading comments written addressing the media's need to "tear down heroes," and that JoePa's philanthropy and essentially running a cleaner football program than SMU in 1986 (Sandusky issues aside) so qualifies him as a hero.

The reaction on BWI has been horrific, and i think is rooted in denial. This might also be one of those situations in which the message board reaction isn't entirely indicative of the general feeling. For example, most of my are friends who are casual BC fans want UConn in the ACC.

My PSU friends flat out refuse to discuss this. Up to and including two of them asking me nicely to stop instead of talking shit in kind or telling me to fuck myself. It was weird.

This is undoubtedly a lesson against practicing idolatry to the extreme that PSU has.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

My PSU friends flat out refuse to discuss this. Up to and including two of them asking me nicely to stop instead of talking shit in kind or telling me to fuck myself. It was weird.

are any of them 50% gay due to an over-exposure of tommy boy?

it seems likely.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:does anyone else get the impression that mcqueary's claims were greeted as if he suggested that he saw sandusky and a 9 year old in the shower making babies and then one of the babies looked at him?

No, Ralph Wig-gums would not have been named recruiting coordinator and wr coach.

why the hell does Wig-gums without the dash come out as baby rapists - damn you 81!

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:To fill in some of the pervasive mindset of Penn State fans. Somehow they perceive the media reaction to JoePa as scapegoating. They seem to be filtering out the inevitable prosecution(or suicide) of Sandusky, the firings and career ruination of Curley, Spanier and Schultz and the McQueery situation (which I don't believe has played itself out yet).

To the objective observer, the reason Sandusky is probably less centered upon in the media coverage of blame assignment is that he is so obviously and completely the worst of the worst of the worst. I mean you really can't split hairs on the child rapist's terribleness. The culpability of the others has some semblance of ambiguity at least comparatively among them. Curley, Spanier and Schultz especially are not interesting or well known people relatively, therefore they are not in headlines.

I keep reading comments written addressing the media's need to "tear down heroes," and that JoePa's philanthropy and essentially running a cleaner football program than SMU in 1986 (Sandusky issues aside) so qualifies him as a hero.

This is completely correct. And they are manipulating the fact that McQueary has whistleblower protection and that Curley is technically on administrative leave to further their point. Now maybe Curley should have been fired immediately, but I'm sure like most places he can't be fired while on leave. PSU fans act like those two are getting free passes.

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:

ryrob {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

ryrob {l Wrote}:Take this retarded internship shit to its own worthless thread in MAs. At least I kept my somewhat on topic.

If Bcfan94 being a needle dick moron is on topic than so did I. I think it is.

Your legal with child pornography boy is fine, and hugely entertaining. Not sure how this internship nonsense came into play again, mainly because I don't want to wade through 3 pages of INNOCENTBYSTANDERPOSTS.

In IB's defense, he didn't start it, in this thread, and was provoked by others.

thank you

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I must have missed something but why are some PSU fans blaming McQueary? He is getting death threats.

1) Some people are mad at him because he, at 6'5 220something and a former(barely) division 1 athlete spersonally witnessed a 10 year old boy being anally raped and didn't physically intervene, or call the police, or yell, or take any other action to immediately end the assault.

That is Megan McArdle's bitch with McQueary over at the Atlantic. She said she can understand leaving the scene for 5 minutes or whatever with the trauma, but then after you've composed yourself, go back (or get someone else and go back) and stop what is happening and call the police.

innocentbystander {l Wrote}:

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I must have missed something but why are some PSU fans blaming McQueary? He is getting death threats.

1) Some people are mad at him because he, at 6'5 220something and a former(barely) division 1 athlete spersonally witnessed a 10 year old boy being anally raped and didn't physically intervene, or call the police, or yell, or take any other action to immediately end the assault.

That is Megan McArdle's bitch with McQueary over at the Atlantic. She said she can understand leaving the scene for 5 minutes or whatever with the trauma, but then after you've composed yourself, go back (or get someone else and go back) and stop what is happening and call the police.

In all seriousness, we all know exactly what to do. It's very cut and dry. And it's very easy to be critical while not being in that position. Right or wrong, it's not always that simple when you're the one who sees it in the real world. I can guarantee of those who give him the most shit, there are plenty who would have done the same and there are some who would have done less. It's sad, but it's definitely true.