Penn State

[bignick33]

Pete Thamel is reporting that the plan for Joe Pa to step down is already in motion. Take that twatwaffle helper.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sport ... ml?_r=1&hp

[weinerdog]

Pete Thamel is reporting that the plan for Joe Pa to step down is already in motion. Take that twatwaffle helper.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sport ... ml?_r=1&hp

So he'll be available? Cuz he's undeniably better than anyone BC's got on staff. I'd hire him in a second.

[PhillyandBCEagles]

Pete Thamel is reporting that the plan for Joe Pa to step down is already in motion. Take that twatwaffle helper.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sport ... ml?_r=1&hp

So he'll be available? Cuz he's undeniably better than anyone BC's got on staff. I'd hire him in a second.

I agree. Pete Thamel has never coached football on any level as far as I know but he couldn't possibly be worse than Spaz. I'm willing to bet he at least knows that it's usually wise to center the ball before attempting a last-second 23-yard FG and that teams should usually air it out when down by 20+.

[eagle9903]

PSU has called off this week's news conference.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... conference

Smart move. Putting that senile old coot up there would have been akin to allowing Paterno to be questioned without a lawyer. People are out for blood on this one.

But it also makes them look like they're dodging (which they are). Regardless, they're everyone is done-zo regardless of how they handle it.

This certainly should be the case. I think the PA AG's office's decision not to prosecute Paterno is probably at least somewhat politically related and I wouldn't be surprised at any lengths the school which covered up 10 year old boy rape for 13 years will go to stop the hemorrhaging around his legacy. Curley, Schultz, McQueary and Spanier will definitely be destroyed(as they should be). I'm not confident as to JoePa as of yet.

I think you're being silly. The outcry will flow all the way up to Corbett if Joe Pa is protected. And even if the "won't somebody think of the children" (applied literally, sadly) segment doesn't get their way, which they will, the suddenly powerful "Joe Pa's time has passed" will circle like vultures.

That's the problem as I see it. Corbett was the AG before being elected governor. I'd imagine he was consulted about such a high profile issue when the determination was made to proceed with charges(I think the GJ report is a close enough call for some executive discretion). I think it's in his best interest to avoid going after JoePa unless and until local(there are a disturbing amount of idiots involved) public opinion forces otherwise and I think we're already seeing that the school will sacrifice virtually anything to keep the tatters of the legacy intact.

I'm not saying I think he'll stay as HC. I just think they will continue make every effort at damage control indefinitely. I fully expect Spanier to fall on his sword any hour now.

This thing is not going away, and soon everyone in a position of power will realize how big it is, if they haven't already. Corbett will go down if Joe Pa remains the head coach at PSU.

Besides, for your theory about the continued (sort of) cover-up to be accurate, you're assuming that Joe Pa committed a currently prosecutable crime, correct? Do you think Teddy is wrong (you're a lawyer too, right?)? Perhaps the simple reason that Joe Pa wasn't indicted was because there was nothing to indict him for. Think about it...indicting Joe Pa on empty charges would be putting one's political neck out there as well.

I think there was probably some room for prosecutorial discretion. My background gives me as much expertise on this as you, which is to say it's not helpful. I don't think not prosecuting was clearly wrong. I think there are two issues which would allow prosecution 1) the murkiness of the mandatory reporter status based on the agency theory bumpers mentioned somewhere way up or directly if you argue JoePa is a school administrator(there may be a definition for this im not looking) and the child was "under his care or that of his agency". That's no great leap to me. 2) I'm fairly certain an obstruction of justice claim could have been made as I think there is a lot of leeway for throwing shit at a wall with that one. I bet something comes out which fits squarely with 2) at some point.

Again, and not to backtrack forever, but i don't consider resignation counter to what i was saying. I think the legacy will be protected above all else and I doubt the PA govt. will do anything further re: JoePA.

[bignick33]

In response to eagle9903, i don't think an end result of merely sending the old man away to a nursing home is that great of an injustice. In terms of legacy, any idiot will see that scandal directly led to resignation.

[eagle9903]

In response to eagle9903, i don't think an end result of merely sending the old man away to a nursing home is that great of an injustice. In terms of legacy, any idiot will see that scandal directly led to resignation.

you think highly of idiots.

[bignick33]

In response to eagle9903, i don't think an end result of merely sending the old man away to a nursing home is that great of an injustice. In terms of legacy, any idiot will see that scandal directly led to resignation.

you think highly of idiots.

I don't personally know Artie from kenzo.

[SiValEagle]

I'm glad this didn't happen at BC or Notre Dame.

[eagle9903]

In response to eagle9903, i don't think an end result of merely sending the old man away to a nursing home is that great of an injustice. In terms of legacy, any idiot will see that scandal directly led to resignation.

you think highly of idiots.

I don't personally know Artie from kenzo.

Artie's probably not a college football fan and if he is its probably a vague allegience to the U, ND or an SEC school.

[SiValEagle]

I'm glad this didn't happen at BC or Notre Dame.

And yes, it's horrible and unforgiveable that it would happen anywhere.

[rktbrkr]

It seems JoPa complied with the letter of the law but the whole thing is too hot to handle. Was Spaz at PSU while Sandusky was there - maybe that'll solve BCs problem too!

[BC923]

Even if laws were complied with, at some point you have to do something more to report this.

[rktbrkr]

I'm just kidding about Spaz, this whole mess is going to destroy many people as it is

[SeaCaptim]

It seems JoPa complied with the letter of the law but the whole thing is too hot to handle

Joe Paterno disgraced himself, disgraced Penn State, and he is a arrogant, morally bankrupt POS. He failed as a member of the human race all to protect his turf, his job, and his legacy. He is being thrown out as we speak. What a disgrace this guy is.

[BCFAN94]

Paterno reported it, I think he is covered legally according to the grand jury report, it is up to the "person in charge of the school or institution" to report to the authorities after being informed by a staff member.

[bignick33]

9903, the timing that it occurred during the bye week immediately following passing Robinson (a fact that I have inexplicably not even considered until moments ago) does strongly support your theory that whoever is pulling the strings here is concerned about Joe's legacy. I still believe that the chronology of it--1) indictments come down that implicate Joe morally, 2) Joe resigns shortly thereafter--are pretty damning to his legacy.

[eagle9903]

9903, the timing that it occurred during the bye week immediately following passing Robinson (a fact that I have inexplicably not even considered until moments ago) does strongly support your theory that whoever is pulling the strings here is concerned about Joe's legacy. I still believe that the chronology of it--1) indictments come down that implicate Joe morally, 2) Joe resigns shortly thereafter--are pretty damning to his legacy.

Anyone 1/20th capable of reading between the lines will now he was at least morally culpable, and I'm very surprised by the stepping down already, so I may be very, very wrong here. I was foreseeing, based on some of the people on the radio here, or friends who went to PSU(who kept inexplicably saying "wait until everything comes out to judge") that this would be Calhoun and the Nate Miles thing times eleventybillion. Where anyone with a brain knows the legendary coach was front a center, but the official line remains plausbible deniability forever.

[ClubMed93]

“I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.”

ARE YOU EFFING KIDDING ME?

“I understand. I was wrong."
Instead, how about, "I am a sick fuck who can't control my most evil and harmful predilections."

"I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you."
Instead, how about, "I will not ask for your forgiveness, as I do not deserve it. All I can do is tell you in all sincerity how much sorrow and regret I have for hurting your son and damaging your family."

"I wish I were dead."
Instead, how about, "As soon as I hang up the phone, I am going to douse myself in gasoline and light a match. Please take heart in the fact that I will die a most painful and violent death."

[BCFAN94]

Paterno reported it, I think he is covered legally according to the grand jury report, it is up to the "person in charge of the school or institution" to report to the authorities after being informed by a staff member.

are you sure? if this fact pattern were true i would expect someone else in this thread would have mentioned it

"out of my way, i got here late"

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/feature?section=news&id=8421115

See page 11-12

Now, I am not and SCJ like some on this board but that how it looks to me.

[weinerdog]

Guilty of anything actionable or not, Paterno needs to go, and I think even he recognizes it. There will be no moving on or recovery for Penn State unless the turnover that results from this scandal is complete, a 100% break away from anyone and everyone even remotely associated with the PSU program in the last 15 years.

And I don't mean to diminish how horrible this whole stinking mess is by being flippant or callous about it, but common sense tells us that (1) not everyone in the football program bears some culpability for what happened and (2) Penn State is a very high-quality Eastern football program from a competitive point-of-view. So, bringing the topic around to BC again, is there anyone among the coaching ranks there that our school might benefit from poaching, or is it simply too hot to handle / too controversial in the context of a Catholic school such that BC's administration should never even consider hiring someone with PSU on their resume?

[Edited to add "no" in the 2nd sentence. Oops, one little omission reversed the whole statement.]

[bignick33]

9903, the timing that it occurred during the bye week immediately following passing Robinson (a fact that I have inexplicably not even considered until moments ago) does strongly support your theory that whoever is pulling the strings here is concerned about Joe's legacy. I still believe that the chronology of it--1) indictments come down that implicate Joe morally, 2) Joe resigns shortly thereafter--are pretty damning to his legacy.

Anyone 1/20th capable of reading between the lines will now he was at least morally culpable, and I'm very surprised by the stepping down already, so I may be very, very wrong here. I was foreseeing, based on some of the people on the radio here, or friends who went to PSU(who kept inexplicably saying "wait until everything comes out to judge") that this would be Calhoun and the Nate Miles thing times eleventybillion. Where anyone with a brain knows the legendary coach was front a center, but the official line remains plausbible deniability forever.

I think you're just very wrong. The fact that it's eleventybillion times bigger doesn't allow for a repeat of that situation. In fact, as I've said a couple of times, I'd say that Joe Pa in addition to the principals in the case make for pretty obvious scapegoats for those who are trying not to go down along with the sinking ship (Prez, BOT, guv, etc).

[b0mberMan]

"Scott Paterno, Joe's son, is working on setting up an off-campus press conference for Paterno to speak at."

"Scott Paterno says his father is "not stepping down" and will be on the sidelines this weekend. They'll fight this one to the end."

Two tweets from a local reporter who covers PSU:

http://twitter.com/#!/Ben_Jones88

[BCFAN94]

Paterno reported it, I think he is covered legally according to the grand jury report, it is up to the "person in charge of the school or institution" to report to the authorities after being informed by a staff member.

are you sure? if this fact pattern were true i would expect someone else in this thread would have mentioned it

"out of my way, i got here late"

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/feature?section=news&id=8421115

See page 11-12

Now, I am not and SCJ like some on this board but that how it looks to me.

my point was that your point was first raised on page 1 of this thread and then discussed for an additional 4 pages

i.e. -

Sorry, I was responding to something on page 7.

[pick6pedro]

"This could get ugly."

[bignick33]

"Scott Paterno, Joe's son, is working on setting up an off-campus press conference for Paterno to speak at."

"Scott Paterno says his father is "not stepping down" and will be on the sidelines this weekend. They'll fight this one to the end."

Two tweets from a local reporter who covers PSU:

http://twitter.com/#!/Ben_Jones88

[bignick33]

Lawyers win round 1. RT @PeteThamelNYT: Was just told that Joe Paterno will NOT be holding a press conference outside the school.

[bignick33]

http://twitpic.com/7c6cy8

[BearTerritory]

Who does everyone like this weekend: Nebraska or Penn State?

[bignick33]

http://deadspin.com/5857531/how-penn-st ... -taxpayers

[ryrob]

I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."

Also, the AD Gricar has been missing and presumed dead since the late 90s. Maybe it gets worse?

So wait, now you think there's actually something to all of this? Maybe? Tool.

Stick to pedophilia jokes.

Stick to negging my karma, as if that actually means anything. You're a complete and utter tool, and in the beginning of this thread you were, by default, defending some of the participants in this whole thing. Something tells me you're either a closet homosexual or that you've dabbled in checking out kiddie porn on you computer. Either way, you're always going to be a fucking tool.

I have better things to do than "neg" your karma. Of course, in your world, no one else could possibly find you as stupid as I do. You're either 15, or you're 30 and you write like you're 15. Not sure which is worse.