by ryrob on Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:49 pm
PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:Sounds like PSU needs to clean up their program...I wonder if they'd be interested in a PSU grad with 3 years experience as a BCS-level HC and another decade as a successful DC?
by ryrob on Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:50 pm
HJS {l Wrote}:The Grad Asst is likely a kid one year removed from college. He went to JoePa for guidance. Saint Joe opted to handle it internally. That's what the GA learned from Papa Paterno. Bottom line here is that this is on JoePa and the AD. And give me a fucking break with this "Joe did nothing wrong since he reported it to his boss". The AD ain't his boss. The AD serves at Joe's approval. At no point could the AD fire JoePa. The AD at PSU is an administrator in the truest sense of the world. The punishment has all the hallmarks of JoePa. The police weren't contacted becaus JoePa did not want them contacted.
by hansen on Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:53 pm
by twballgame9 on Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:59 pm
HJS {l Wrote}:The Grad Asst is likely a kid one year removed from college. He went to JoePa for guidance. Saint Joe opted to handle it internally. That's what the GA learned from Papa Paterno. Bottom line here is that this is on JoePa and the AD. And give me a fucking break with this "Joe did nothing wrong since he reported it to his boss". The AD ain't his boss. The AD serves at Joe's approval. At no point could the AD fire JoePa. The AD at PSU is an administrator in the truest sense of the world. The punishment has all the hallmarks of JoePa. The police weren't contacted becaus JoePa did not want them contacted.
by ATLeagle on Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:10 pm
by DomingoOrtiz on Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:13 pm
by HJS on Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:35 pm
by claver2010 on Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:46 pm
by HJS on Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:52 pm
claver2010 {l Wrote}:As I said last week, it's time to take JoePa out back
by bosa90 on Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:00 pm
ATLeagle {l Wrote}:I think there was probably a lot more shit going on at Penn State and they are all guilty for letting it go on as long as it did.
The first complaint against Sandusky came in 1996. There was another one in 1998. The GA caught him having having sex with a 10-year-old boy in Penn State showers in 2002! JoePa clearly knew about the previous complaints. Assuming he trusted the GA to some extent, they should have gone to the police. According to reports today Sandusky owned up to being the shower with the kid to the AD but said no sex and that got him banned from Campus. Now regardless of how great the guy was or the harm it might cause the school or if he denied sexual contact, admitting that he showered with the kid should have been enough for a call to child protective services. They felt strongly enough to ban him from campus.
And as HJS alluded to, there have also been rumors about Tom Bradley's personal life (supposedly one of the reasons he's never gotten a head coaching job).
This will be the end of JoePa and probably means that they will go outside the family for a new head coach. I don't think you can promote JayPa or bring in Golden or Schiano or anyone else who might have known that Sandusky liked to rape prepubescent boys in Penn State's locker room.
by HJS on Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:13 pm
bosa90 {l Wrote}:ATLeagle {l Wrote}:I think there was probably a lot more shit going on at Penn State and they are all guilty for letting it go on as long as it did.
The first complaint against Sandusky came in 1996. There was another one in 1998. The GA caught him having having sex with a 10-year-old boy in Penn State showers in 2002! JoePa clearly knew about the previous complaints. Assuming he trusted the GA to some extent, they should have gone to the police. According to reports today Sandusky owned up to being the shower with the kid to the AD but said no sex and that got him banned from Campus. Now regardless of how great the guy was or the harm it might cause the school or if he denied sexual contact, admitting that he showered with the kid should have been enough for a call to child protective services. They felt strongly enough to ban him from campus.
And as HJS alluded to, there have also been rumors about Tom Bradley's personal life (supposedly one of the reasons he's never gotten a head coaching job).
This will be the end of JoePa and probably means that they will go outside the family for a new head coach. I don't think you can promote JayPa or bring in Golden or Schiano or anyone else who might have known that Sandusky liked to rape prepubescent boys in Penn State's locker room.
This is unbelievable. There have been many news stories about JoePa in the past decade. How come none of them talked about any of this???? Wasn't there a 60 minutes piece?? Wow.
And what are the rumors about Bradley?
by Bumpers on Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:02 am
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:The Grad Asst is likely a kid one year removed from college. He went to JoePa for guidance. Saint Joe opted to handle it internally. That's what the GA learned from Papa Paterno. Bottom line here is that this is on JoePa and the AD. And give me a fucking break with this "Joe did nothing wrong since he reported it to his boss". The AD ain't his boss. The AD serves at Joe's approval. At no point could the AD fire JoePa. The AD at PSU is an administrator in the truest sense of the world. The punishment has all the hallmarks of JoePa. The police weren't contacted becaus JoePa did not want them contacted.
If JoPa told the kid not to go to the police, then fine. But bottom line is that the GA is an adult, not a kid, and he is the witness and should have gone to the police regardless of what JoPa told him.
by tallsy on Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:05 am
by bosa90 on Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:36 am
Bumpers {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:The Grad Asst is likely a kid one year removed from college. He went to JoePa for guidance. Saint Joe opted to handle it internally. That's what the GA learned from Papa Paterno. Bottom line here is that this is on JoePa and the AD. And give me a fucking break with this "Joe did nothing wrong since he reported it to his boss". The AD ain't his boss. The AD serves at Joe's approval. At no point could the AD fire JoePa. The AD at PSU is an administrator in the truest sense of the world. The punishment has all the hallmarks of JoePa. The police weren't contacted becaus JoePa did not want them contacted.
If JoPa told the kid not to go to the police, then fine. But bottom line is that the GA is an adult, not a kid, and he is the witness and should have gone to the police regardless of what JoPa told him.
Wrong, unless PA law is still in the 1800s. Most states have statutes making all educational personnel mandatory reporters of "reasonable belief" of abuse of a minor. That specifically does not permit a mandatory reporter to claim that receipt of a first hand account, as hearsay to the mandatory reporter, is free to claim a lack of reasonable belief because he didn't see it himself or the that the declarant lacks credibility until the claim can be independently verified. You hear ir, you report it to the police - that's the law in every state as far as I know and assume.
If the GA told Joe Pa, Jo Pa was a mandatory reporter under most states' mandatory reporter laws, and should have been legally obligated to report to he police.
Having handled these cases on both the criminal and civil end of things in Illiois, I can authoritatively state that if PA's law is anyhing like IL's, JoPa couldnhave been charged with a felony ifbthe incident happened within the last three years. It may be that the only thing saving a lot of these pieces of sh!t who sat on the reports is that the statutes of limitation for the criminal charges have expired.
You can bet, though, some pretty hefty civil suits are coming PSU's way.
by Reverend Mike on Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:41 am
Bumpers {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:The Grad Asst is likely a kid one year removed from college. He went to JoePa for guidance. Saint Joe opted to handle it internally. That's what the GA learned from Papa Paterno. Bottom line here is that this is on JoePa and the AD. And give me a fucking break with this "Joe did nothing wrong since he reported it to his boss". The AD ain't his boss. The AD serves at Joe's approval. At no point could the AD fire JoePa. The AD at PSU is an administrator in the truest sense of the world. The punishment has all the hallmarks of JoePa. The police weren't contacted becaus JoePa did not want them contacted.
If JoPa told the kid not to go to the police, then fine. But bottom line is that the GA is an adult, not a kid, and he is the witness and should have gone to the police regardless of what JoPa told him.
Wrong, unless PA law is still in the 1800s. Most states have statutes making all educational personnel mandatory reporters of "reasonable belief" of abuse of a minor. That specifically does not permit a mandatory reporter to claim that receipt of a first hand account, as hearsay to the mandatory reporter, is free to claim a lack of reasonable belief because he didn't see it himself or the that the declarant lacks credibility until the claim can be independently verified. You hear ir, you report it to the police - that's the law in every state as far as I know and assume.
If the GA told Joe Pa, Jo Pa was a mandatory reporter under most states' mandatory reporter laws, and should have been legally obligated to report to he police.
Having handled these cases on both the criminal and civil end of things in Illiois, I can authoritatively state that if PA's law is anyhing like IL's, JoPa couldnhave been charged with a felony ifbthe incident happened within the last three years. It may be that the only thing saving a lot of these pieces of sh!t who sat on the reports is that the statutes of limitation for the criminal charges have expired.
You can bet, though, some pretty hefty civil suits are coming PSU's way.
by JesuitIvy on Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:33 am
by Reverend Mike on Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:28 am
by JesuitIvy on Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:42 am
by apbc12 on Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:19 am
by 2001Eagle on Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:22 am
Bumpers {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:The Grad Asst is likely a kid one year removed from college. He went to JoePa for guidance. Saint Joe opted to handle it internally. That's what the GA learned from Papa Paterno. Bottom line here is that this is on JoePa and the AD. And give me a fucking break with this "Joe did nothing wrong since he reported it to his boss". The AD ain't his boss. The AD serves at Joe's approval. At no point could the AD fire JoePa. The AD at PSU is an administrator in the truest sense of the world. The punishment has all the hallmarks of JoePa. The police weren't contacted becaus JoePa did not want them contacted.
If JoPa told the kid not to go to the police, then fine. But bottom line is that the GA is an adult, not a kid, and he is the witness and should have gone to the police regardless of what JoPa told him.
Wrong, unless PA law is still in the 1800s. Most states have statutes making all educational personnel mandatory reporters of "reasonable belief" of abuse of a minor. That specifically does not permit a mandatory reporter to claim that receipt of a first hand account, as hearsay to the mandatory reporter, is free to claim a lack of reasonable belief because he didn't see it himself or the that the declarant lacks credibility until the claim can be independently verified. You hear ir, you report it to the police - that's the law in every state as far as I know and assume.
If the GA told Joe Pa, Jo Pa was a mandatory reporter under most states' mandatory reporter laws, and should have been legally obligated to report to he police.
Having handled these cases on both the criminal and civil end of things in Illiois, I can authoritatively state that if PA's law is anyhing like IL's, JoPa couldnhave been charged with a felony ifbthe incident happened within the last three years. It may be that the only thing saving a lot of these pieces of sh!t who sat on the reports is that the statutes of limitation for the criminal charges have expired.
You can bet, though, some pretty hefty civil suits are coming PSU's way.
by RegalBCeagle on Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:27 am
by hansen on Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:11 am
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:You should all stop rushing to judgement, Assholes!
This is all just hearsay at this point. You guys are idiots. Fools.
Signed,
Rob Sandusky
p and s. can TRE get me the contact information for these guys?
by Bumpers on Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:24 am
bosa90 {l Wrote}:Bumpers {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:
What would trigger, and what would toll, the statutes of limitations here? My view is that PSU is far from out of the woods on criminal charges, based on what I have read, but I don't know much about this stuff.
by ryrob on Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:14 am
Bumpers {l Wrote}:bosa90 {l Wrote}:Bumpers {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:
What would trigger, and what would toll, the statutes of limitations here? My view is that PSU is far from out of the woods on criminal charges, based on what I have read, but I don't know much about this stuff.
Criminal statutes of limitation run unless someone leaves the jurisdiction, or the crime is specifically exepted from any SOL term (i.e., murder, arson, forgery). Some extended limitations periods exist, though, to accomodate realitites of the nature of the crime or the victim. For example, in most states the SOL for a sex crime against a minor is extended for a substantial period after the victim reaches the age of majority, usually 18, and not calculated from the date of the abuse, which is why you can have the abuser prosecuted long after the crime was committed. However, a mandatory reporter who fails to report will only be the subject of prosecution of the violation if it occurred within three years of when the charges were initiated (at least under Illinois law - I don't know what the SOL felony term is in PA, though I don't kow of any tolling provisions that would apply to keep the SOL clock from running).
(c) Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person is required to report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a member of the staff of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, that person shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge. Upon notification, the person in charge or the designated agent, if any, shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with section 6313.
by SeaCaptim on Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:16 am
by nerd on Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:32 am
by Onyx Blackman on Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:38 pm
by soulhunter on Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:52 pm
by SeaCaptim on Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:10 pm
by twballgame9 on Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:15 pm
Bumpers {l Wrote}:twballgame9 {l Wrote}:HJS {l Wrote}:The Grad Asst is likely a kid one year removed from college. He went to JoePa for guidance. Saint Joe opted to handle it internally. That's what the GA learned from Papa Paterno. Bottom line here is that this is on JoePa and the AD. And give me a fucking break with this "Joe did nothing wrong since he reported it to his boss". The AD ain't his boss. The AD serves at Joe's approval. At no point could the AD fire JoePa. The AD at PSU is an administrator in the truest sense of the world. The punishment has all the hallmarks of JoePa. The police weren't contacted becaus JoePa did not want them contacted.
If JoPa told the kid not to go to the police, then fine. But bottom line is that the GA is an adult, not a kid, and he is the witness and should have gone to the police regardless of what JoPa told him.
Wrong, unless PA law is still in the 1800s. Most states have statutes making all educational personnel mandatory reporters of "reasonable belief" of abuse of a minor. That specifically does not permit a mandatory reporter to claim that receipt of a first hand account, as hearsay to the mandatory reporter, is free to claim a lack of reasonable belief because he didn't see it himself or the that the declarant lacks credibility until the claim can be independently verified. You hear ir, you report it to the police - that's the law in every state as far as I know and assume.
If the GA told Joe Pa, Jo Pa was a mandatory reporter under most states' mandatory reporter laws, and should have been legally obligated to report to he police.
Having handled these cases on both the criminal and civil end of things in Illiois, I can authoritatively state that if PA's law is anyhing like IL's, JoPa couldnhave been charged with a felony ifbthe incident happened within the last three years. It may be that the only thing saving a lot of these pieces of sh!t who sat on the reports is that the statutes of limitation for the criminal charges have expired.
You can bet, though, some pretty hefty civil suits are coming PSU's way.
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