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Re: Penn State

Postby PhillyandBCEagles on Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:26 pm

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
The Knife of Asia {l Wrote}:Lets not forget the poor janitor who found the scene he walked in on worse than any lingering image of the korean war. Poor guy went crazy.

When you compare this to what Tressel went through... Man on man. This is going to bring it all down.


I don't even know if the NCAA will be(I don't even know if I think they should be) involved here. Its mostly outside their scope and I guarantee they will find a way to embarrass college sports, America and Jesus if they have a role in meting out punishments.

How many forfeits for each count of deviate sexual intercourse?


I don't think the NCAA should touch this with a 10-foot pole, beyond the obligatory "we're going to let the Pennsylvania justice system run its course and decide on our course of action from there" statements. The Miami, tOSU, etc. things were bad, but at the end of the day they had no impact outside the realm of college athletics. No serious crimes took place. What apparently happened at PSU is flat-out evil. It is well beyond the realm of the NCAA and didn't really have anything to do with competition--yeah, you could make the case that some of the kids were potential recruits and that it was an issue from a compliance perspective, but that aspect of it is so petty in the full context of what took place that the NCAA is probably best off just letting that part of it slide.

Assuming everything that has been reported is true Sandusky should go to jail for the rest of his life, anyone who actively participated in a coverup should go to jail, and anyone who maybe didn't actively participate but still allowed it to happen (which was probably the case with JoePa) should lose their job and be publicly humiliated. Imposing NCAA sanctions on top of that is simply petty and will only punish PSU's players and fans, none of whom had anything to do with this and did not benefit from it in any way.
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Re: Penn State

Postby EagleNYC on Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:33 pm

campion {l Wrote}:
SeaCaptim {l Wrote}:and furthermore, if the perjury charges against Hurley and administrator are supported by the evidence, it seems highly likely that Joe Paterno either knew the details, or must have connected the dots. "An unusual" act in the shower with two males, usually does not involve running an option right with the soap.

I think we are going to hear more information coming from the other 8 reported victims (and their parents, friends etc) and there probably will be more than the current 8, if history repeats itself.

I hope that the PSU political machine, does not run a "protect Joe Paterno" campaign, at the expense of getting the truth out. I fear that this is exactly what will transpire. Hurley and Schultz have had many months (if not years) to plan their defense strategy.

I heard they're trying to see if Joe can retire to St Mary Major.


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Re: Penn State

Postby Reverend Mike on Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:35 pm

PhillyandBCEagles {l Wrote}:
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:
The Knife of Asia {l Wrote}:Lets not forget the poor janitor who found the scene he walked in on worse than any lingering image of the korean war. Poor guy went crazy.

When you compare this to what Tressel went through... Man on man. This is going to bring it all down.


I don't even know if the NCAA will be(I don't even know if I think they should be) involved here. Its mostly outside their scope and I guarantee they will find a way to embarrass college sports, America and Jesus if they have a role in meting out punishments.

How many forfeits for each count of deviate sexual intercourse?


I don't think the NCAA should touch this with a 10-foot pole, beyond the obligatory "we're going to let the Pennsylvania justice system run its course and decide on our course of action from there" statements. The Miami, tOSU, etc. things were bad, but at the end of the day they had no impact outside the realm of college athletics. No serious crimes took place. What apparently happened at PSU is flat-out evil. It is well beyond the realm of the NCAA and didn't really have anything to do with competition--yeah, you could make the case that some of the kids were potential recruits and that it was an issue from a compliance perspective, but that aspect of it is so petty in the full context of what took place that the NCAA is probably best off just letting that part of it slide.

Assuming everything that has been reported is true Sandusky should go to jail for the rest of his life, anyone who actively participated in a coverup should go to jail, and anyone who maybe didn't actively participate but still allowed it to happen (which was probably the case with JoePa) should lose their job and be publicly humiliated. Imposing NCAA sanctions on top of that is simply petty and will only punish PSU's players and fans, none of whom had anything to do with this and did not benefit from it in any way.

I know the phrase "lack of institutional control" was not meant to be applied to this type of situation, but Jaysus, it certainly applies here.
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Re: Penn State

Postby PhillyandBCEagles on Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:35 pm

I'm watching ESPNNews right now and they just went down the timeline of the sequence of events--apparently at one point (didn't catch exactly when, was only half paying attention) Sandusky "promised PSU officials he would no longer shower with children"?? This was something that had to actually be spelled out??

Holy fucking hell.
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Re: Penn State

Postby eagle9903 on Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:41 pm

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."


wow, this just doesn't stop.
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Re: Penn State

Postby EagleNYC on Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:48 pm

Reverend Mike {l Wrote}:Paterno: “They went home and sat in a hot bath and opened their veins, and bled to death.  Sometimes they gave a little party before they did it.” 

Don't worry about anything, Joey Fatherly. [throws cigar, walks away]


Outstanding. The exception to the analogy being "And their families, they were taken car of."
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Re: Penn State

Postby cvilleagle on Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:00 pm

@tsampson:
Child molestation w/ a conspiratorial cover-up that went unnoticed by a geriatric leader. When did Penn State become a Catholic school?
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Re: Penn State

Postby SeaCaptim on Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:48 pm

ABC just reported that the witness "told Paterno" what he saw in the shower incident. The Penn. official at the presser followed this up with, "I believe that one is obligated to come forward with information such as this". Paterno is cooked. I also took note that Joe tried to lump the PSU adminstrative group together, when he said, if the allegations are true-"we" were all fooled. No Joe, you all damn well knew exactly what type of things were going on, because you were told what happened.
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Re: Penn State

Postby Reverend Mike on Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:52 pm

The, Joe! The!
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Re: Penn State

Postby Reverend Mike on Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:18 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
Reverend Mike {l Wrote}:The, Joe! The!


nobody that speaks german could be an evil man...

That was pretty obscure. Don't be proud.
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Re: Penn State

Postby hansen on Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:01 pm

Reverend Mike {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
Reverend Mike {l Wrote}:The, Joe! The!


nobody that speaks german could be an evil man...

That was pretty obscure. Don't be proud.

Nospace does not like people who are proud.
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Re: Penn State

Postby ryrob on Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:33 pm

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."


Also, the AD Gricar has been missing and presumed dead since the late 90s. Maybe it gets worse?
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Re: Penn State

Postby RegalBCeagle on Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:03 pm

ryrob {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."


Also, the AD Gricar has been missing and presumed dead since the late 90s. Maybe it gets worse?


So wait, now you think there's actually something to all of this? Maybe? Tool.
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Re: Penn State

Postby ryrob on Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:06 pm

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
ryrob {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."


Also, the AD Gricar has been missing and presumed dead since the late 90s. Maybe it gets worse?


So wait, now you think there's actually something to all of this? Maybe? Tool.


:bored

Stick to pedophilia jokes.
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Re: Penn State

Postby 2001Eagle on Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:30 pm

Reverend Mike {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
Reverend Mike {l Wrote}:The, Joe! The!


nobody that speaks german could be an evil man...

That was pretty obscure. Don't be proud.


The longest running sitcom ever ain't that obscure.
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Re: Penn State

Postby 2001Eagle on Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:30 pm

ryrob {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."


Also, the AD Gricar has been missing and presumed dead since the late 90s. Maybe it gets worse?


How does Gricar fit into the story precisely?
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Re: Penn State

Postby ryrob on Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:48 pm

2001Eagle {l Wrote}:
ryrob {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."


Also, the AD Gricar has been missing and presumed dead since the late 90s. Maybe it gets worse?


How does Gricar fit into the story precisely?


Sorry, meant to say DA in my last post.

Gricar was the DA at the time of the 1998 investigation into Sandusky. Didn't pursue charges. He ultimately disappeared into thin air and hasn't been seen since 2005. They found his laptop hard drive in a river, destroyed. His car was abandoned. Can't find an exact link but remember reading somewhere his home computer had searches for "how to destroy a hard drive." Just a very strange situation.

EDIT: Found it

Before he disappeared on April 15, 2005, police say former District Attorney Ray Gricar used his home computer to search the Internet for information on “how to wreck a hard drive,” “how to fry a hard drive,” and “water damage to a notebook computer.”

Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2009/04/15/1 ... z1d5Amr64t
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Re: Penn State

Postby bcaddict on Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:28 pm

Here's a link to Kim Jones' interview on Francesca today...she's pretty fired up...

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/audio-on-de ... ancesa-1/#
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Re: Penn State

Postby twballgame9 on Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:39 pm

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
ryrob {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."


Also, the AD Gricar has been missing and presumed dead since the late 90s. Maybe it gets worse?


So wait, now you think there's actually something to all of this? Maybe? Tool.


There's a difference between thinking there's something to this and thinking they indicted the right people, on the one hand, and erroneously thinking that JoePa had a legal obligation to report this to the police on the other. The people that had that obligation and did nothing have been indicted.

JoePa is a scumbag and should burn in hell, but he isn't going to be indicted.
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Re: Penn State

Postby rktbrkr on Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:59 am

It sounds like JoPa complied with the letter of the law but maybe not the spirit of it. Every org preaches to stay in the chain of command and he did. If he had gone outside and blown the whistle he would have been retired right then with no victory record. Instead he gets the record but may be fundamentally tainted.

The PA gov is attending the PSU Trustee meetings now, it doesn't get any bigger than this.
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Re: Penn State

Postby RegalBCeagle on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:25 am

ryrob {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
ryrob {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."


Also, the AD Gricar has been missing and presumed dead since the late 90s. Maybe it gets worse?


So wait, now you think there's actually something to all of this? Maybe? Tool.


:bored

Stick to pedophilia jokes.


Stick to negging my karma, as if that actually means anything. You're a complete and utter tool, and in the beginning of this thread you were, by default, defending some of the participants in this whole thing. Something tells me you're either a closet homosexual or that you've dabbled in checking out kiddie porn on you computer. Either way, you're always going to be a fucking tool.
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Re: Penn State

Postby RegalBCeagle on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:30 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
ryrob {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."


Also, the AD Gricar has been missing and presumed dead since the late 90s. Maybe it gets worse?


So wait, now you think there's actually something to all of this? Maybe? Tool.


There's a difference between thinking there's something to this and thinking they indicted the right people, on the one hand, and erroneously thinking that JoePa had a legal obligation to report this to the police on the other. The people that had that obligation and did nothing have been indicted.

JoePa is a scumbag and should burn in hell, but he isn't going to be indicted.


Did I ever say he should be indicted? Nope. Don't be The Guy I referred to earlier. You know, the one who thinks "I'm the Expert on this matter because of my career field, therefore I will argue the minutiae on a message board just to show everyone I'm the expert on this subject matter." In arguing the legal merits amidst a moral discussion of what happened, you end up looking like you're on the side of a group of Pedophiles and Pedophile enablers.
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Re: Penn State

Postby DomingoOrtiz on Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:43 am

1969 — Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.

1977 — Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983 — Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football’s national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987 — Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football’s national champion for the 1986 season.

1994 — Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95 — Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96 — Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97 — Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98 — Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998 — Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky’s wife, as a member of Sandusky’s family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.

1998 — Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6’s mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.”

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

May 1999 - In a meeting with Joe Paterno, Sandusky is told that he will not be the next Penn St head football coach.

June 1999 — Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999 — Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky’s wife, as a member of Sandusky’s family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000 — Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000 — A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy, known as Victim 8, pinned up against the wall, performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8’s identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002 — A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002 — In the morning, the graduate assistant calls Coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno’s home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002 — Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State Athletic Director to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002 — Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate) — The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky’s locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

April 15, 2005 - DA Gricar goes missing.

2005-2006 — Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007 — During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008 — Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy’s mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

Early 2009 — An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

September 2010 — Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

Nov. 5, 2011 — Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

Nov. 7, 2011 — Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.
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Re: Penn State

Postby claver2010 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:01 am

This entire thing is fucking disgusting, I hope anyone who knew anything and didn't come forward perishes of asscancer.
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Re: Penn State

Postby SeaCaptim on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:09 am

When Penn State gets around to firing everybody who collaborated to protect each others ass, at the expense of these crimes, the new President should give the Penn State football program the death penalty. What we are seeing, is how Joe Paterno and his cronies, assimilated enough power and arrogance, that they lost any moral compass. Joe must have felt his friggin legacy, was the most important thing. Now, who is going to approach Joe, in all his present senility, to tell him that it is beyond time for him to go? Every hour that he stays on, gives more credence to the fact, that Penn State Football and Joe Paterno, are still running Penn. State the institution.
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Re: Penn State

Postby BCFAN94 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:16 am

This is awful, just awful that there could be that many known witnesses and complaints and it still continues for 17 years which I am sure was longer and there were probably many more witnesses and victims.

I think the highest degree of moral responsiblity falls to the janitors and the GA. How could they witness the abuse/rape without trying to stop it? This is not a defense or Paterno or anyone else related to the situation but I really can't imagine walking in on this and at least not saying something to Sandusky, hitting him with a chair and/or calling the authorities right then.

Given that sexual abuse was looked at and treated differently pre-priest scandal, I can see there may have been some hesitation to go public but I really don't know how you don't react when you walk in on the abuse first hand.
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Re: Penn State

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:24 am

RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
ryrob {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."


Also, the AD Gricar has been missing and presumed dead since the late 90s. Maybe it gets worse?


So wait, now you think there's actually something to all of this? Maybe? Tool.


There's a difference between thinking there's something to this and thinking they indicted the right people, on the one hand, and erroneously thinking that JoePa had a legal obligation to report this to the police on the other. The people that had that obligation and did nothing have been indicted.

JoePa is a scumbag and should burn in hell, but he isn't going to be indicted.


Did I ever say he should be indicted? Nope. Don't be The Guy I referred to earlier. You know, the one who thinks "I'm the Expert on this matter because of my career field, therefore I will argue the minutiae on a message board just to show everyone I'm the expert on this subject matter." In arguing the legal merits amidst a moral discussion of what happened, you end up looking like you're on the side of a group of Pedophiles and Pedophile enablers.


You are an assclown. When I corrected bumbers on the mandatory reporting statute (oh, I was correct, by the way), I specifically disclaimed any expertise in either criminal or child protection law. But keep trying.

Stay with the lynch mob mentality, and don't bother to think rationally. Makes you look like you have the moral high ground on a message board. Always something to aspire to.
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Re: Penn State

Postby hansen on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:29 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
ryrob {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."


Also, the AD Gricar has been missing and presumed dead since the late 90s. Maybe it gets worse?


So wait, now you think there's actually something to all of this? Maybe? Tool.


There's a difference between thinking there's something to this and thinking they indicted the right people, on the one hand, and erroneously thinking that JoePa had a legal obligation to report this to the police on the other. The people that had that obligation and did nothing have been indicted.

JoePa is a scumbag and should burn in hell, but he isn't going to be indicted.


Did I ever say he should be indicted? Nope. Don't be The Guy I referred to earlier. You know, the one who thinks "I'm the Expert on this matter because of my career field, therefore I will argue the minutiae on a message board just to show everyone I'm the expert on this subject matter." In arguing the legal merits amidst a moral discussion of what happened, you end up looking like you're on the side of a group of Pedophiles and Pedophile enablers.


You are an assclown. When I corrected bumbers on the mandatory reporting statute (oh, I was correct, by the way), I specifically disclaimed any expertise in either criminal or child protection law. But keep trying.

Stay with the lynch mob mentality, and don't bother to think rationally. Makes you look like you have the moral high ground on a message board. Always something to aspire to.


I think he was referring to Bumpers.
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Re: Penn State

Postby angrychicken on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:30 am

I think that they should fire the whole Penn State athletic department. In fact, i think that the NCAA should ban anyone ever associated with Penn State Athletics from coaching at any level. That would be a good start.
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Re: Penn State

Postby RegalBCeagle on Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:32 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
RegalBCeagle {l Wrote}:
ryrob {l Wrote}:
DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:I don't know if there is anything about the DA in this thread, but wow did this get interesting:

"That said, police revealed that Gricar's home computer had saved searches for "how to wreck a hard drive" and "water damage to a notebook computer," meaning that he clearly wanted to make sure something never saw the light of day."


Also, the AD Gricar has been missing and presumed dead since the late 90s. Maybe it gets worse?


So wait, now you think there's actually something to all of this? Maybe? Tool.


There's a difference between thinking there's something to this and thinking they indicted the right people, on the one hand, and erroneously thinking that JoePa had a legal obligation to report this to the police on the other. The people that had that obligation and did nothing have been indicted.

JoePa is a scumbag and should burn in hell, but he isn't going to be indicted.




Did I ever say he should be indicted? Nope. Don't be The Guy I referred to earlier. You know, the one who thinks "I'm the Expert on this matter because of my career field, therefore I will argue the minutiae on a message board just to show everyone I'm the expert on this subject matter." In arguing the legal merits amidst a moral discussion of what happened, you end up looking like you're on the side of a group of Pedophiles and Pedophile enablers.


You are an assclown. When I corrected bumbers on the mandatory reporting statute (oh, I was correct, by the way), I specifically disclaimed any expertise in either criminal or child protection law. But keep trying.

Stay with the lynch mob mentality, and don't bother to think rationally. Makes you look like you have the moral high ground on a message board. Always something to aspire to.


Stay with the "I'm a lawyer and you're not and I think I'm cool but I'm really a tool" crap. The only moral stance I'm taking on this is that every single PSU person involved in this thing should burn in Hell. You're more conerned with the legal definition of hearsay and whether or not Sandusky was read his rights properly. Keep being That Guy, so we can think you're cool.
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