2013 Recruiting Thread

[eagle9903]

Relying on a single metric to determine the quality of recruits is agenda-driven, especially during the summer. Somehow offers has now turned into the Holy Grail of a recruit's worth here, even when a recuit commits early. Offers are obviously great, but when a recruit commits in the month of July or before, he's simply, as a general rule, not going to have the amount of offers as a recruit who waits until the winter. I think you have to consider the final star rating of the early commits much more than for the later ones.

For example, looking on Rivals at the recruits in Jags' 2007 class who committed in or before the month of July:

Dan Williams: No other offers
Dom Magazu: No other offers
Kenny Plue: No other offers
Nathan Richman: Buffalo and Delaware
Dan Mulrooney: UConn
Nick Schepis: bunch of decent offers
Billy Bennett: Ariz St; Kan St; San Diego St; UTEP

The 2008 class is somewhat similar, which the exception of Haden who had great offers

Isaac Johnson: No other offers
Nick Halloran: No other offers
Christian Klein: No other offers
Patrick Neuman: 1 offer (FSU)
Donet Elliott: Rice
Justin Tuggle: Indiana; Miss St; Ohio; West. Kentucky
Stephen Atkinson: Akron; Cent. Mich; Cinn; Wisc
Josh Haden: bunch of great offers
Colin Larmond: buch of decent offers

I have two main issues with this post.

1) The relevant point of comparison for the 2007 class was July of 2006, therefor TOB (after being well aware he was done with BC) was responsible for every one of those recruits. Jagodzinski wasn't hired for another 6 months. Using a transition class is kind of strange, using a portion of it associated with the lame duck coach is stranger.

2) Calling the through July 2008 class somewhat similar to the through July 2013 class strikes me as entirely disengenuous (the ambiguous "bunch of decent offers thing" gets me among others). Only Johnson, Halloran, Klein and Elliott lacked BCS offers in 2008, that's 4/9 recruits so 55% of the class had other BCS offers through July. Right now a disgusting 37.5% of the current class has BCS offers. Additionally, the 2008 class was only 9/29 complete at the time of comparison. One of the hallmarks of the Spaz Worst Class of All Time (tm HomOJs) is the early wrap up, whereas the 2008 class was eventually huge and it had just begun in July, the 2013 class is at 16 already and is likely to include only 5-6 more commits.

Here's the guys who ended up having BCS offers and their date of committment

Patrick Neuman (6/8/07): FSU*
Josh Haden (6/20/07): UF; Illinois; Maryland; Michigan; UNC; Ohio State; Tennessee*
Colin Larmond (6/24/07): Cincinnati; UConn; Georgia Tech; Michigan State; Northwestern; Syracuse*
Justin Tuggle (6/25/07): Indiana; Miss St; Ohio; West. Kentucky
Stephen Atkinson (7/13/07): Akron; Cent. Mich; Cinn; Wisc
Kaleb Ramsey (8/23/07): Colorado; Georgia Tech; Maryland; Minnesota; Pittsburgh; Syracuse; Vanderbilt; WVU*
Max Holloway(9/20/07): Stanford
Emmett Cleary (9/26/07): Air Force; Indiana; Northwestern; Purdue;
Nick Clancy (10/30/07): Colorado; Illinois; Iowa State; Northwestern; Purdue; Vandy*
Chris Hayden-Martin (10/31/07): Uconn; Kentucky; Lousville; Pitt; South Carolina; Syracuse*
Mike Goodman (11/04/07): Florida; FSU; Indiana; Maryland; Rutgers; South Carolina; UCF; Wake Forest; Wisconsin *
Dominick Legrande (11/16/07): Uconn; Duke; Syracuse
Donnie Fletcher (11/21/07): Iowa; Michigan State; Minnesota; Nebraska; Pitt; WVU*
Alex DiStanzo (12/09/07): Cincinnati; Colorado
Ugo Okpara (12/17/07): Arkansas; Baylor; Missouri; Nebraska; Oklahoma State; Rice; Virginia*
Chris Pantale (12/18/07): UConn, Maryland; Michigan; Michigan State; Northwester; Syracuse; Virginia*
Eric Reynolds (12/20/07): UConn
Okechuckwu Okoroha (12/25/07): Clemson, Illinois; Maryland; UNC; NC State; Penn State; Virginia*
Montel Harris (2/06/08):Duke

Total: 19/29 65.5%

*indicated players who would arguably be our best recruit in 2013 (most are not arguable)

I don't discount the idea that as BCS schools strike out on their A and B list offers they offer additional players and therefore there are more players with BCS offers in December and January than in July, that's true. I'm just saying there is literally no chance we get to 50% for this class by signing day. In fact I find it more likely that our % goes down as we lose Isaacs and sign more flyers.

[hansen]

"Stars" might not be the most accurate indicator of an individual recruits potential but i think in aggregate they are a good estimator due to basic laws of statistics (sample size etc). Here is recent data from scout:


Year Rank Commits 5* 4* 3* 2* Avg
2003 27 24 0 1 12 11 2.58
2004 42 20 1 0 7 12 2.45
2005 58 16 0 1 6 9 2.38
2006 44 20 0 0 8 12 2.40
2007 50 18 0 3 7 8 2.72
2008 22 29 0 2 13 14 2.59
2009 81 18 0 0 6 12 2.33
2010 43 21 0 2 11 8 2.71
2011 35 22 0 1 15 6 2.77
2012 71 17 0 0 10 7 2.59

2013 65 12 0 0 2 10 2.17 <---------------------- worst in ten years, worst in the ACC, etc. (yikes!)

[EagleDave]

Relying on a single metric to determine the quality of recruits is agenda-driven, especially during the summer. Somehow offers has now turned into the Holy Grail of a recruit's worth here, even when a recuit commits early. Offers are obviously great, but when a recruit commits in the month of July or before, he's simply, as a general rule, not going to have the amount of offers as a recruit who waits until the winter. I think you have to consider the final star rating of the early commits much more than for the later ones.

For example, looking on Rivals at the recruits in Jags' 2007 class who committed in or before the month of July:

Dan Williams: No other offers
Dom Magazu: No other offers
Kenny Plue: No other offers
Nathan Richman: Buffalo and Delaware
Dan Mulrooney: UConn
Nick Schepis: bunch of decent offers
Billy Bennett: Ariz St; Kan St; San Diego St; UTEP

The 2008 class is somewhat similar, which the exception of Haden who had great offers

Isaac Johnson: No other offers
Nick Halloran: No other offers
Christian Klein: No other offers
Patrick Neuman: 1 offer (FSU)
Donet Elliott: Rice
Justin Tuggle: Indiana; Miss St; Ohio; West. Kentucky
Stephen Atkinson: Akron; Cent. Mich; Cinn; Wisc
Josh Haden: bunch of great offers
Colin Larmond: buch of decent offers

I have two main issues with this post.

1) The relevant point of comparison for the 2007 class was July of 2006, therefor TOB (after being well aware he was done with BC) was responsible for every one of those recruits. Jagodzinski wasn't hired for another 6 months. Using a transition class is kind of strange, using a portion of it associated with the lame duck coach is stranger.

2) Calling the through July 2008 class somewhat similar to the through July 2013 class strikes me as entirely disengenuous (the ambiguous "bunch of decent offers thing" gets me among others). Only Johnson, Halloran, Klein and Elliott lacked BCS offers in 2008, that's 4/9 recruits so 55% of the class had other BCS offers through July. Right now a disgusting 37.5% of the current class has BCS offers. Additionally, the 2008 class was only 9/29 complete at the time of comparison. One of the hallmarks of the Spaz Worst Class of All Time (tm HomOJs) is the early wrap up, whereas the 2008 class was eventually huge and it had just begun in July, the 2013 class is at 16 already and is likely to include only 5-6 more commits.

Here's the guys who ended up having BCS offers and their date of committment

Patrick Neuman (6/8/07): FSU*
Josh Haden (6/20/07): UF; Illinois; Maryland; Michigan; UNC; Ohio State; Tennessee*
Colin Larmond (6/24/07): Cincinnati; UConn; Georgia Tech; Michigan State; Northwestern; Syracuse*
Justin Tuggle (6/25/07): Indiana; Miss St; Ohio; West. Kentucky
Stephen Atkinson (7/13/07): Akron; Cent. Mich; Cinn; Wisc
Kaleb Ramsey (8/23/07): Colorado; Georgia Tech; Maryland; Minnesota; Pittsburgh; Syracuse; Vanderbilt; WVU*
Max Holloway(9/20/07): Stanford
Emmett Cleary (9/26/07): Air Force; Indiana; Northwestern; Purdue;
Nick Clancy (10/30/07): Colorado; Illinois; Iowa State; Northwestern; Purdue; Vandy*
Chris Hayden-Martin (10/31/07): Uconn; Kentucky; Lousville; Pitt; South Carolina; Syracuse*
Mike Goodman (11/04/07): Florida; FSU; Indiana; Maryland; Rutgers; South Carolina; UCF; Wake Forest; Wisconsin *
Dominick Legrande (11/16/07): Uconn; Duke; Syracuse
Donnie Fletcher (11/21/07): Iowa; Michigan State; Minnesota; Nebraska; Pitt; WVU*
Alex DiStanzo (12/09/07): Cincinnati; Colorado
Ugo Okpara (12/17/07): Arkansas; Baylor; Missouri; Nebraska; Oklahoma State; Rice; Virginia*
Chris Pantale (12/18/07): UConn, Maryland; Michigan; Michigan State; Northwester; Syracuse; Virginia*
Eric Reynolds (12/20/07): UConn
Okechuckwu Okoroha (12/25/07): Clemson, Illinois; Maryland; UNC; NC State; Penn State; Virginia*
Montel Harris (2/06/08):Duke

Total: 19/29 65.5%

*indicated players who would arguably be our best recruit in 2013 (most are not arguable)

I don't discount the idea that as BCS schools strike out on their A and B list offers they offer additional players and therefore there are more players with BCS offers in December and January than in July, that's true. I'm just saying there is literally no chance we get to 50% for this class by signing day. In fact I find it more likely that our % goes down as we lose Isaacs and sign more flyers.

This post is depressing.

[joesim]

"Stars" might not be the most accurate indicator of an individual recruits potential but i think in aggregate they are a good estimator due to basic laws of statistics (sample size etc). Here is recent data from scout:


Year Rank Commits 5* 4* 3* 2* Avg
2003 27 24 0 1 12 11 2.58
2004 42 20 1 0 7 12 2.45
2005 58 16 0 1 6 9 2.38
2006 44 20 0 0 8 12 2.40
2007 50 18 0 3 7 8 2.72
2008 22 29 0 2 13 14 2.59
2009 81 18 0 0 6 12 2.33
2010 43 21 0 2 11 8 2.71
2011 35 22 0 1 15 6 2.77
2012 71 17 0 0 10 7 2.59

2013 65 12 0 0 2 10 2.17 <---------------------- worst in ten years, worst in the ACC, etc. (yikes!)

According to ESPN we have 9 3* and 7 NR but they update our NR players every so often

[eagle9903]

"Stars" might not be the most accurate indicator of an individual recruits potential but i think in aggregate they are a good estimator due to basic laws of statistics (sample size etc). Here is recent data from scout:


Year Rank Commits 5* 4* 3* 2* Avg
2003 27 24 0 1 12 11 2.58
2004 42 20 1 0 7 12 2.45
2005 58 16 0 1 6 9 2.38
2006 44 20 0 0 8 12 2.40
2007 50 18 0 3 7 8 2.72
2008 22 29 0 2 13 14 2.59
2009 81 18 0 0 6 12 2.33
2010 43 21 0 2 11 8 2.71
2011 35 22 0 1 15 6 2.77
2012 71 17 0 0 10 7 2.59

2013 65 12 0 0 2 10 2.17 <---------------------- worst in ten years, worst in the ACC, etc. (yikes!)

According to ESPN we have 9 3* and 7 NR but they update our NR players every so often

Its tough to use ESPN to compare between years because they used to not do recruiting at all and initially did a very half assed job of it. It's only in the last few years that they have been comparable to the other ones.

[31southst]

"Stars" might not be the most accurate indicator of an individual recruits potential but i think in aggregate they are a good estimator due to basic laws of statistics (sample size etc). Here is recent data from scout:


Year Rank Commits 5* 4* 3* 2* Avg
2003 27 24 0 1 12 11 2.58
2004 42 20 1 0 7 12 2.45
2005 58 16 0 1 6 9 2.38
2006 44 20 0 0 8 12 2.40
2007 50 18 0 3 7 8 2.72
2008 22 29 0 2 13 14 2.59
2009 81 18 0 0 6 12 2.33
2010 43 21 0 2 11 8 2.71
2011 35 22 0 1 15 6 2.77
2012 71 17 0 0 10 7 2.59

2013 65 12 0 0 2 10 2.17 <---------------------- worst in ten years, worst in the ACC, etc. (yikes!)

According to ESPN we have 9 3* and 7 NR but they update our NR players every so often

Its tough to use ESPN to compare between years because they used to not do recruiting at all and initially did a very half assed job of it. It's only in the last few years that they have been comparable to the other ones.

The disparity in rankings is why I think other offers is a better (if imperfect) measurement. For a point of a comparison, Scout only lists us as have 12 commits but the breakdown is 10 two-star and only 2 three-star.

[Shaddix]

One current Penn State player which hasn't been discussed at length regarding a possible transfer is running back Akeel Lynch.

Lynch isn't currently listed on Penn State's roster, and he is believed to be considering Iowa according to FightOnState.com.

Iowa would greatly benefit simply from the addition of Lynch due to the Hawkeyes' dearth of depth at running back. Lynch could compete to start from from day one in Iowa City.

Lynch is believed to be conflicted in his decision, and he may even have more opportunity to play in State College if/when Silas Redd chooses to transfer to USC.

ESPN

Bleedin' blue and white!!

[joesim]

Cory Jasudowich updated to a 3 star 74 on ESPN

[NJM89]

247 sports has us ranked at 38 overall

http://247sports.com/Team/Ranking/2013/Football

[hansen]

247 sports has us ranked at 38 overall

http://247sports.com/Team/Ranking/2013/Football

from the bottom?

[bruisertm]

Down to three teams (BC, Louisville, USF) for Jeff Badet, WR from FL...said to announce today

[BCSUPERFAN22]

I think Badet is Louisiville. Even before we took Barksdale he stated that Lville was his number 1. I believe he is either friends or classmates with Kevin Maurice (BC lean at DT from Florida) and there was talk of them going somewhere together but I think with MAYBE 1 more spot at WR most likely for Callinan or Taylor he will see the writing on the wall.

[joeyfenn]

Article on Tevin Montgomery on EA saying we are in his top 5. Anyone want to post it?

[joesim]

Michael Geiger r updated to a 3 star 76 on ESPN #12 Kicker
ESPN now has our class standing with 11 3 stars and 6 NR
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footb ... ege-eagles

[twballgame9]

247 sports has us ranked at 38 overall

http://247sports.com/Team/Ranking/2013/Football

Only because they give everyone that is not 4 or 5 stars 3 stars.

[eagle9903]

just to throw some more fuel on the fire, UConn has 7 players committed right now with other BCS offers to our 6.

[DomingoOrtiz]

According to Rivals, we are down to 4 possible OLinemen:

Eric Tetlow - Richmond (Va.) Mills E Godwin

Hunter Knighton - Princeton (N.J.) Hun School


Alexander Officer - Rochester (N.Y.) Eastridge

Dorian Miller

OLine U

[eagle9903]

According to Rivals, we are down to 4 possible OLinemen:

Eric Tetlow - Richmond (Va.) Mills E Godwin

Hunter Knighton - Princeton (N.J.) Hun School


Alexander Officer - Rochester (N.Y.) Eastridge

Dorian Miller

OLine U

...and Alexander Officer and Dorian Miller aren't really interested

[MaxxPower325]

According to Rivals, we are down to 4 possible OLinemen:

Eric Tetlow - Richmond (Va.) Mills E Godwin

Hunter Knighton - Princeton (N.J.) Hun School


Alexander Officer - Rochester (N.Y.) Eastridge

Dorian Miller

OLine U

...and Alexander Officer and Dorian Miller aren't really interested

We are only taking one tho, right?

Irregardless of how many we took last year I never like having only one OL in the class, but it does limit the number of offers one needs to put out. Of course when all 4 go elsewhere we'll still be screwed....

[eagle9903]

According to Rivals, we are down to 4 possible OLinemen:

Eric Tetlow - Richmond (Va.) Mills E Godwin

Hunter Knighton - Princeton (N.J.) Hun School


Alexander Officer - Rochester (N.Y.) Eastridge

Dorian Miller

OLine U

...and Alexander Officer and Dorian Miller aren't really interested

We are only taking one tho, right?

Irregardless of how many we took last year I never like having only one OL in the class, but it does limit the number of offers one needs to put out. Of course when all 4 go elsewhere we'll still be screwed....

yeah he said before either 1 or zero, which would be even stupider.

[DomingoOrtiz]

Really? I assumed we wanted two. Have we ever taken Zero in a class?

[eagle9903]

Really? I assumed we wanted two. Have we ever taken Zero in a class?

Not in my memory, he said if we took the third RB, Coppett, we might take zero OL.

[DomingoOrtiz]

Really? I assumed we wanted two. Have we ever taken Zero in a class?

Not in my memory, he said if we took the third RB, Coppett, we might take zero OL.

Is "he" TGOSB?

[BCSUPERFAN22]

I think Tetlow would be a really good pickup if we're deadset on only taking 1 OL.

David Knevel is another name that camped at BC and could pick up a late offer. Cant really imagine why he has yet to be offered (has picked up Wisconsin and Mizzou offers and is camping at Mich State this week i believe). Hes also a canuck which seems to fit in with one of Spaz's many recruiting philosophies. I would imagine he is a bit of a project, but is a monster (6'9 280) and has other big offers.

[DomingoOrtiz]

According to Rivals, we are down to 4 possible OLinemen:

Eric Tetlow - Richmond (Va.) Mills E Godwin

Hunter Knighton - Princeton (N.J.) Hun School


Alexander Officer - Rochester (N.Y.) Eastridge

Dorian Miller

OLine U

...and Alexander Officer and Dorian Miller aren't really interested

We are only taking one tho, right?

Irregardless of how many we took last year I never like having only one OL in the class, but it does limit the number of offers one needs to put out. Of course when all 4 go elsewhere we'll still be screwed....

yeah he said before either 1 or zero, which would be even stupider.

Just read JRowland's Notbook which suggests were are down to 2 and would take either Tetlow or Knighton.

[joeyfenn]

I sent Tetlow a little message and he replied saying "Thanks, I really enjoyed my visit"

Not really much to read in to but hey it's something.

Tetlow has some real nice offers and would be one of our best recruits. I say lets offer the canuck that camped here. Other BCS offers and 6'9"!

[joesim]

According to Rivals, we are down to 4 possible OLinemen:

Eric Tetlow - Richmond (Va.) Mills E Godwin

Hunter Knighton - Princeton (N.J.) Hun School


Alexander Officer - Rochester (N.Y.) Eastridge

Dorian Miller

OLine U

...and Alexander Officer and Dorian Miller aren't really interested

We are only taking one tho, right?

Irregardless of how many we took last year I never like having only one OL in the class, but it does limit the number of offers one needs to put out. Of course when all 4 go elsewhere we'll still be screwed....

yeah he said before either 1 or zero, which would be even stupider.

Just read JRowland's Notbook which suggests were are down to 2 and would take either Tetlow or Knighton.

Can u post the article?

[31southst]

Can u post the article?

- Taylor is the only true WR left on the board but it's not 100% guaranteed BC has a spot for him anymore
- Callinan is being recruited as more of an ATH and BC is in better shape with him that JR previously thought
- BC would still take Fred Coppet given Willis's versatility
- For OL, we'd take the first of Knighton or Tetlow (and it sounds like maybe no one if we go 0/2)
- In searching for positives, despite Isaacs being a soft verbal for so long, there hasn't been much movement away from BC
- Overall, looks like 1-3 more takes on offense

[bruisertm]

Jeff Badet to USF

[BCSUPERFAN22]

Jeff Badet to USF

I don't think a huge loss all things considered. With limited spots left, probably a blessing in disguise.