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HJS {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:I second the idea that FSU is not that good after last night. They too are a paper tiger. That said, most of the top teams are flawed in one way or another.

They aren't as good as last year (which was historically an incredible team). But, I wouldn't call them a paper tiger. Right now, the school at #1 had an OOC schedule composed of Southern Miss, UAB, South Alabama and UTM (University of Tennessee - Martin). UTM has losses already to Central Arkansas, Eastern Kentucky, Southeast Missouri and Jacksonville State. MSU hasn't dominated in any of their SEC games. MSU basically got major props for beating LSU who everyone though was the best team in the nation because they BARELY beat Wisco. On an aside, look at the OOC schedules for all SEC teams... they are comical. Pretty much everyone starts the season with 4-wins.

My point is simply that folks here seem to be buying into the same bias that has 9 SEC teams in the Top 10. MSU (and the rest of the SEC for that matter) has struggled every bit as much as FSU. The difference is that when they struggle, against South Carolina or Tennessee or Arkansas or TAMU (all of whom are terrible this year) they get credit for a tough Ess Eee See win. When FSU struggles against ND, it is PROOF that they aren't as good as their record.

I'm judging by my eyes. Last year, FSU was the best team in the country and it was obvious. This year, they are not, and it is obvious.

That said, if they go undefeated, they should be #1 until someone beats them. Trust me, I have no SEC bias. And I certainly don't have a Big10 bias - that conference blows. I'm just noting that ND and FSU aren't that great. If you want to say that there aren't any great teams this year, fine.

Yep... I don't think there are any great teams. I just think FSU is no more flawed than the SEC schools they are vying against. And, while I think the SEC is the best conference (and the B10 is the worst... behind AAC), I don't believe they should have as many teams represented in the top of these rankings. I think the P12 and B12 are under-appreciated. My hope is that if there is a 1-loss B12, P12, ACC and SEC school all should be in the playoffs.

Did the B10 sleep with your wife or something?

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:ND's defense is legit.1 Anyone who can't recognize that on an eyeball test is a moron who knows nothing about football. Their receivers and RB are also as good and athletic as any playing college football today. ND's weakness has been its offensive line, which crapped the bed against Stanford and UNC, but completely dominated FSU up front.

That, for me, was the take away from the FSU game. This isn't the 2012 version of ND which essentially got by with a very, very good front seven, the best TE in college football, one excellent 1/2 of an offensive line (the Zach Martin/Chris Watt side of the line) and unfathomable luck. ND was every bit as big, fast and athletic as FSU and what is scarier is that the front seven is all underclassmen/guys with eligibility left.

I don't think Kelly is a great X and Os coach, but he clearly knows how to build a program. He was available--and wanted the job-- when Greaseball selected Spazz. Another thing to be enraged about.


1. Spare me any gnashing of teeth about UNC scoring 43 points. ND turned the ball over 4 times inside its own 20.

talon {l Wrote}:Now that we're getting down to crunch time, I wonder how much the mid season playoff rankings will matter and how much weight they'll put on conference championships.

Looking at the conference championships and the most recent rankings ...

SEC: Alabama (#1) vs Mizzou (#17)
Pac12: Oregon (#2) vs Arizona (#11)
ACC: FSU (#3) vs Georgia Tech (#16)
B10: Ohio State (#6) vs Wisconsin (#14)

Do any of these underdogs have a chance at the top four if they win their conference?

dtwalrus {l Wrote}:Would be great if Mizzou and the SEC was the odd man out.

HustlinOwl {l Wrote}:

dtwalrus {l Wrote}:Would be great if Mizzou and the SEC was the odd man out.

This would be great, but it's unlikely.

Oregon and FSU would give about anything to not have to play again. Ohio St is loving one more game. TCU and Baylor are two really good teams that may get screwed for no championship game.

The championship game is fucktarded IMO.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

HustlinOwl {l Wrote}:

dtwalrus {l Wrote}:Would be great if Mizzou and the SEC was the odd man out.

This would be great, but it's unlikely.

Oregon and FSU would give about anything to not have to play again. Ohio St is loving one more game. TCU and Baylor are two really good teams that may get screwed for no championship game.

The championship game is fucktarded IMO.

There should be a conference championship game in all 5 conferences and the 5 winners should go to the playoff with 3 at large, one to come from the highest ranked top 10-non BCS team, including ND and the academies.

dtwalrus {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

HustlinOwl {l Wrote}:

dtwalrus {l Wrote}:Would be great if Mizzou and the SEC was the odd man out.

This would be great, but it's unlikely.

Oregon and FSU would give about anything to not have to play again. Ohio St is loving one more game. TCU and Baylor are two really good teams that may get screwed for no championship game.

The championship game is fucktarded IMO.

There should be a conference championship game in all 5 conferences and the 5 winners should go to the playoff with 3 at large, one to come from the highest ranked top 10-non BCS team, including ND and the academies.

I used to be a fan of 8, but I actually think it does dilute the regular season too much. And maybe I just don't want to deal with 3 or 4 SEC teams in the playoff every year.

6 is the magic number. 5 CCG winners and 1 at large...from any conference (fuck the G5). Top 2 teams get byes. It also means that there is a statistically lower chance of teams having to play 16 games...which the NCAA seems to be against. Player safety and all.

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:ND's defense is legit.1 Anyone who can't recognize that on an eyeball test is a moron who knows nothing about football. Their receivers and RB are also as good and athletic as any playing college football today. ND's weakness has been its offensive line, which crapped the bed against Stanford and UNC, but completely dominated FSU up front.

That, for me, was the take away from the FSU game. This isn't the 2012 version of ND which essentially got by with a very, very good front seven, the best TE in college football, one excellent 1/2 of an offensive line (the Zach Martin/Chris Watt side of the line) and unfathomable luck. ND was every bit as big, fast and athletic as FSU and what is scarier is that the front seven is all underclassmen/guys with eligibility left.

I don't think Kelly is a great X and Os coach, but he clearly knows how to build a program. He was available--and wanted the job-- when Greaseball selected Spazz. Another thing to be enraged about.


1. Spare me any gnashing of teeth about UNC scoring 43 points. ND turned the ball over 4 times inside its own 20.

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Of course, you neglect to mention that after that game against Navy they lost their defensive MVP, two DTs (Day and Jones) who will be drafted in the 1st or 2nd round next year, their starting strong safety and their best cb (who is projected to be a second round pick in the upcoming draft). They got one of their DTs back (Day) and their best CB back (Riggs) in time for the bowl game where they handled LSU about as well as anyone who played them. After Navy they started two true freshman on the DL, a true freshman a MLB and a true freshman at strong safety.

You really ought to stick to trying pick off the low hanging fruit in my family--that is more your speed sporto--although, as I think about it, you utterly failed at that as well.

Logitano {l Wrote}:

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Of course, you neglect to mention that after that game against Navy they lost their defensive MVP, two DTs (Day and Jones) who will be drafted in the 1st or 2nd round next year, their starting strong safety and their best cb (who is projected to be a second round pick in the upcoming draft). They got one of their DTs back (Day) and their best CB back (Riggs) in time for the bowl game where they handled LSU about as well as anyone who played them. After Navy they started two true freshman on the DL, a true freshman a MLB and a true freshman at strong safety.

You really ought to stick to trying pick off the low hanging fruit in my family--that is more your speed sporto--although, as I think about it, you utterly failed at that as well.

Thank you for that. Only a true asshat has that much knowledge of Notre Dame especially someone who did not even go there. Your quote about the LSU game will be my 2015 submission.

Auburn 41 LSU 7
Arkansas 17 LSU 0
Notre Dame 31 LSU 28

One of these things is not like the others....

As I think about it you really ought to cheer for Villanova basketball if you are going to take a team from one of your siblings. He was right that Keith Hernandez was much better than Don Mattingly.

Logitano {l Wrote}:

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Of course, you neglect to mention that after that game against Navy they lost their defensive MVP, two DTs (Day and Jones) who will be drafted in the 1st or 2nd round next year, their starting strong safety and their best cb (who is projected to be a second round pick in the upcoming draft). They got one of their DTs back (Day) and their best CB back (Riggs) in time for the bowl game where they handled LSU about as well as anyone who played them. After Navy they started two true freshman on the DL, a true freshman a MLB and a true freshman at strong safety.

You really ought to stick to trying pick off the low hanging fruit in my family--that is more your speed sporto--although, as I think about it, you utterly failed at that as well.

Thank you for that. Only a true asshat has that much knowledge of Notre Dame especially someone who did not even go there. Your quote about the LSU game will be my 2015 submission.

Auburn 41 LSU 7
Arkansas 17 LSU 0
Notre Dame 31 LSU 28

One of these things is not like the others....

As I think about it you really ought to cheer for Villanova basketball if you are going to take a team from one of your siblings. He was right that Keith Hernandez was much better than Don Mattingly.

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:You really ought to stick to trying pick off the low hanging fruit in my family--that is more your speed sporto--although, as I think about it, you utterly failed at that as well.

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:

Logitano {l Wrote}:

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Of course, you neglect to mention that after that game against Navy they lost their defensive MVP, two DTs (Day and Jones) who will be drafted in the 1st or 2nd round next year, their starting strong safety and their best cb (who is projected to be a second round pick in the upcoming draft). They got one of their DTs back (Day) and their best CB back (Riggs) in time for the bowl game where they handled LSU about as well as anyone who played them. After Navy they started two true freshman on the DL, a true freshman a MLB and a true freshman at strong safety.

You really ought to stick to trying pick off the low hanging fruit in my family--that is more your speed sporto--although, as I think about it, you utterly failed at that as well.

Thank you for that. Only a true asshat has that much knowledge of Notre Dame especially someone who did not even go there. Your quote about the LSU game will be my 2015 submission.

Auburn 41 LSU 7
Arkansas 17 LSU 0
Notre Dame 31 LSU 28

One of these things is not like the others....

As I think about it you really ought to cheer for Villanova basketball if you are going to take a team from one of your siblings. He was right that Keith Hernandez was much better than Don Mattingly.

God you are stupid. Why not list LSU's offensive output against other SEC luminaries? Because there is a hell of a lot more evidence supporting my position than yours.

As for ND, unlike you, I don't suffer from a massive inferiority complex as it relates to the school. I could have gone there and chose not two--twice, three times if you include law school. As I have said repeatedly, I root for ND unless they are playing BC. Why? Because the school did very well by several of my family members and, like BC they do things the right way. The fact that you are a fervent USC fan speaks volumes about you--none of it good.

Anyway, in an extended family as large as mine I am sure there must be another female relation with mental issues or a drug problem (or both!) who might be available. Why not see if the fourth time is a charm, eh sport.

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:

Logitano {l Wrote}:

Dick Rosenthal {l Wrote}:Of course, you neglect to mention that after that game against Navy they lost their defensive MVP, two DTs (Day and Jones) who will be drafted in the 1st or 2nd round next year, their starting strong safety and their best cb (who is projected to be a second round pick in the upcoming draft). They got one of their DTs back (Day) and their best CB back (Riggs) in time for the bowl game where they handled LSU about as well as anyone who played them. After Navy they started two true freshman on the DL, a true freshman a MLB and a true freshman at strong safety.

You really ought to stick to trying pick off the low hanging fruit in my family--that is more your speed sporto--although, as I think about it, you utterly failed at that as well.

Thank you for that. Only a true asshat has that much knowledge of Notre Dame especially someone who did not even go there. Your quote about the LSU game will be my 2015 submission.

Auburn 41 LSU 7
Arkansas 17 LSU 0
Notre Dame 31 LSU 28

One of these things is not like the others....

As I think about it you really ought to cheer for Villanova basketball if you are going to take a team from one of your siblings. He was right that Keith Hernandez was much better than Don Mattingly.

God you are stupid. Why not list LSU's offensive output against other SEC luminaries? Because there is a hell of a lot more evidence supporting my position than yours.

As for ND, unlike you, I don't suffer from a massive inferiority complex as it relates to the school. I could have gone there and chose not two--twice, three times if you include law school. As I have said repeatedly, I root for ND unless they are playing BC. Why? Because the school did very well by several of my family members and, like BC they do things the right way. The fact that you are a fervent USC fan speaks volumes about you--none of it good.

Anyway, in an extended family as large as mine I am sure there must be another female relation with mental issues or a drug problem (or both!) who might be available. Why not see if the fourth time is a charm, eh sport.

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:hansen, this isn't japan. in toughchester (which is where i assume the duchess or rosenthal resides) dowery does not mean "delicious wang"