Ray Rice

by **Supahfan99** on Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:23 pm

Coincidence that the casino that this happened at (Revel) just closed up shop last week and now this video is coming out? It's not like an employee of the casino can get fired for selling this to TMZ.

I don't know but I find that timing interesting.

by **Reverend Mike** on Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:48 pm

I'm a little bit sad that we won't get to see Ray Rice play this year.

think of the 3-ring shitshow that would follow him everywhere he went:

1) The fans would be absolutely relentless -- probably even in Baltimore.
B) The media would be rabid in every new city.
iii) I bet there are some D-Linemen who grew up watching their mothers get smacked around. It would be open season on rice. He would be "getting the business" after every play.

by **twballgame9** on Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:56 pm

eagle216 {l Wrote}:Firstly, I am not 100% convinced that Goodell saw the tape. Yes, the NFL has a lot of resources and juice, but this is still America. There are limits to what they can do and get. While its definately possible, and maybe likely, that he had the video, its also possible that they didn't, but that later someone with access to it sold it to TMZ for a pretty penny.

If he saw the video, I think its pretty obvious why he would "protect" Ray Rice. He is a star player, and pro sports are about the stars. This is not as important as in, say, the NBA, but its still important. All things being equal, Goodell prefers an NFL with Ray Rice over one without him.

Also, he seems like a pretty analytical guy - a logic guy if you will. From the video that was made public from the very beginning, it was obvious that Ray Rice knocked her the fuck out. Goodell probably figured that since everyone knew he knocked her out, what difference does it make if they ever see the second video. But like many analytical or logic guys, they sometimes fail to factor emotion into the mix, and fail to realize that most Americans are stupid, and overreact to shit. When I saw the video, I was like "what is the big deal - this is exactly what I suspected Ray Rice did all along". But I think like Goodell does, and not like the overwhelming majority of Americans.

Ray rice isn't remotely that good. Fungible.

by **eagle216** on Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:14 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
eagle216 {l Wrote}:Firstly, I am not 100% convinced that Goodell saw the tape. Yes, the NFL has a lot of resources and juice, but this is still America. There are limits to what they can do and get. While its definately possible, and maybe likely, that he had the video, its also possible that they didn't, but that later someone with access to it sold it to TMZ for a pretty penny.

If he saw the video, I think its pretty obvious why he would "protect" Ray Rice. He is a star player, and pro sports are about the stars. This is not as important as in, say, the NBA, but its still important. All things being equal, Goodell prefers an NFL with Ray Rice over one without him.

Also, he seems like a pretty analytical guy - a logic guy if you will. From the video that was made public from the very beginning, it was obvious that Ray Rice knocked her the fuck out. Goodell probably figured that since everyone knew he knocked her out, what difference does it make if they ever see the second video. But like many analytical or logic guys, they sometimes fail to factor emotion into the mix, and fail to realize that most Americans are stupid, and overreact to shit. When I saw the video, I was like "what is the big deal - this is exactly what I suspected Ray Rice did all along". But I think like Goodell does, and not like the overwhelming majority of Americans.

Ray rice isn't remotely that good. Fungible.

He's been marketed as if he were. Him and Flacco are the face of that team.

On another note, where was TMZ when Ray Lewis killed a guy?

by **twballgame9** on Mon Sep 08, 2014 10:22 pm

Point is that Ray rice is not nearly good enough to protect.

by **HJS** on Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:25 pm

Goodell has relished suspending players. Heck, he suspended Tyrelle Pryor for 4 games because he was given a 4-game suspension while at OSU. The man has ruled with an iron fist. Ray Rice's suspension was bizarre as it was uncharacteristically light.

My theory is that Ray Rice and his wife both lied about what happened in that elevator (e.g. she slipped as she was actually the one attacking him... the video afterward looks bad for Ray, but the video inside the elevator looks bad for her). Everyone went to bat for him as if he was a victim of circumstance. The release of the video and immediate response from both the NFL and Ravens lends me to believe that they were misled.

On an aside, the agent who was trying to save himself and Rice a paycheck ultimately got his contract cancelled. If the NFL gave him an 8-game or a year suspension, the outrage of the video release would have been muted. Disgust... but an understanding why the League acted.

by **angrychicken** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:02 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Point is that Ray rice is not nearly good enough to protect.

Point is, jhiggi thought that Michael Sam getting drafted was on the same level as Jackie Robinson playing MLB. :shrug

by **rktbrkr** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:20 am

Janay is being victimized twice , first when she took the dive but more importantly when NFL killed her golden goose and sent her and Ray into a bankruptcy power dive

by **rktbrkr** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:29 am

Everybody loves Raymond? This is worse than Vick killing the dogs.

If Goodell didn't see the video it's because he didn't want to see the video, plausible deniability.

At least Rice will have time to finish his Rutgers degree.

The Rice's named their daughter Raeven, these people really have room temp IQs

by **twballgame9** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:58 am

People keep saying that they cant believe that the nfl was mislead or that goodell had to have seen the tape in the elevator. But no one has adequately explained why they think the nfl would protect ray rice as if were MJ. He is several holes into the back nine and was never elite outside of fantasy football.

by **gallopingghost** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:04 am

Although I am shocked by what happened, I am just a little hesitant to require an employer to provide punishment for what the courts have handled. Are we to now assume that all employers should punish their employees for bad behavior outside the place of employment? Would a teacher in the NY public schools be fired for this? Would a lawyer be disbarred if they did this? Would an illegal alien be deported?

by **angrychicken** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:09 am

gallopingghost {l Wrote}:Although I am shocked by what happened, I am just a little hesitant to require an employer to provide punishment for what the courts have handled. Are we to now assume that all employers should punish their employees for bad behavior outside the place of employment?

Require? No. Should? Employer's call.

by **DomingoOrtiz** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:27 am

angrychicken {l Wrote}:
gallopingghost {l Wrote}:Although I am shocked by what happened, I am just a little hesitant to require an employer to provide punishment for what the courts have handled. Are we to now assume that all employers should punish their employees for bad behavior outside the place of employment?

Require? No. Should? Employer's call.

A NY public school teacher? Good luck.
Also, I love how ESPN and the rest of the liberal media are making out Goodell to be a greater villain than Ray Rice in the matter.

by **commavegarage** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:29 am

goodell isn't going anywhere. hes just doing what the owners are telling him to and so long as he does that, he will be in his throne for many years

by **claver2010** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:31 am

rktbrkr {l Wrote}:Janay is being victimized twice , first when she took the dive but more importantly when NFL killed her golden goose and sent her and Ray into a bankruptcy power dive

eh i was reading he got $25 mm fronted over the past 2 years, though obviously i have no idea how he's managed / how much access she has

goodell is literally printing $$ for the owners, he's not going anywhere

by **eagle9903** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:32 am

disagree, i think goodell is out within the month.

by **talon** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:39 am

gallopingghost {l Wrote}:Although I am shocked by what happened, I am just a little hesitant to require an employer to provide punishment for what the courts have handled. Are we to now assume that all employers should punish their employees for bad behavior outside the place of employment? Would a teacher in the NY public schools be fired for this? Would a lawyer be disbarred if they did this? Would an illegal alien be deported?

If an employee has a role as a public face of a company/organization, I have no problem with an employer's line over what can be punished and what can't being different than the criminal justice system's line.

If the guy who works in the mailroom of a company gets drunk one Friday night and starts talking about how the Holocaust is a lie, there's a decent chance he comes into work on Monday and nothing happens. If they guy who does the voiceover for that company's TV advertisments gets drunk and denies the Holocaust, he's probably not doing any more voiceovers.

by **talon** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:41 am

eagle9903 {l Wrote}:disagree, i think goodell is out within the month.

How many of the 32 owners would have to vote him out of a job? And would that vote be public?

by **Reverend Mike** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:49 am

talon {l Wrote}:
eagle9903 {l Wrote}:disagree, i think goodell is out within the month.

How many of the 32 owners would have to vote him out of a job? And would that vote be public?

It would all be done quietly. And if he does go, they'll let it look like it was his decision.

"After much soul-searching and reflection on what has transpired over the past several months, I have decided that it would be best for me and for the league that I step down as Commissioner. There can be no doubt that there were missteps along the way and as Commissioner I am ultimately accountable for what happens on my watch. I sincerely believe that the league is in a better place than when I took over x years ago and I hope the NFL can build on our successes in the future."

I originally thought he would step down, but even TMZ is admitting they had plausible deniability about the 2nd video. It still begs the question, "WTF did you think happened in the elevator to turn that woman into a ragdoll?" but they'll probably shitcan one of the league VP's and call it a day.

by **angrychicken** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:02 am

DomingoOrtiz {l Wrote}:
angrychicken {l Wrote}:
gallopingghost {l Wrote}:Although I am shocked by what happened, I am just a little hesitant to require an employer to provide punishment for what the courts have handled. Are we to now assume that all employers should punish their employees for bad behavior outside the place of employment?

Require? No. Should? Employer's call.

A NY public school teacher? Good luck.
Also, I love how ESPN and the rest of the liberal media are making out Goodell to be a greater villain than Ray Rice in the matter.

oh.

by **claver2010** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:11 am

"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend," Janay Rice wrote. "But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain that [the] media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his [butt off] for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific.

"THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/rave ... z3Cp8O2XOb

wut?

by **talon** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:14 am

Keith Olberman definitely made his views be known, but there are plenty at ESPN who have no problem carrying water for Goodell and the NFL. Did anybody else hear Berman and Dilfer giving Goodell and the Ravens a reacharound for their quick and decisive action?

by **Bryn Mawr Eagle** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:25 am

I like how, just before she wakes up, he repositions her so that her head is right between the elevator doors. Nice, Ray.

by **ATLeagle** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:25 am

claver2010 {l Wrote}:
rktbrkr {l Wrote}:Janay is being victimized twice , first when she took the dive but more importantly when NFL killed her golden goose and sent her and Ray into a bankruptcy power dive

eh i was reading he got $25 mm fronted over the past 2 years, though obviously i have no idea how he's managed / how much access she has

goodell is literally printing $$ for the owners, he's not going anywhere

Goodell is an empty suit and a puppet. He's not making money for these owners. The TV deals, the merchandise, the gambling, Fantasy Football, the stadiums...all of that existed before he came around and he has little to do with the League's current success. He's a front for them to battle the NLFPA and to be the voice of the League. They don't need him and will get rid of him once he becomes more trouble than he is worth (which might be soon). He's no David Stern, no Tagliabue and certainly no Pete Rozelle.

Leading a closed member association when you are not a member/owner means you are constantly playing politics. Goodell is probably done now.

by **TobaccoRoadEagle** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:25 am

talon {l Wrote}:...Dilfer ...

as an aside i just wanted to remind everyone that trent dilfer won a super bowl.

by **Logitano** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:37 am

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:
claver2010 {l Wrote}:
rktbrkr {l Wrote}:Janay is being victimized twice , first when she took the dive but more importantly when NFL killed her golden goose and sent her and Ray into a bankruptcy power dive

eh i was reading he got $25 mm fronted over the past 2 years, though obviously i have no idea how he's managed / how much access she has

goodell is literally printing $$ for the owners, he's not going anywhere

Goodell is an empty suit and a puppet. He's not making money for these owners. The TV deals, the merchandise, the gambling, Fantasy Football, the stadiums...all of that existed before he came around and he has little to do with the League's current success. He's a front for them to battle the NLFPA and to be the voice of the League. They don't need him and will get rid of him once he becomes more trouble than he is worth (which might be soon). He's no David Stern, no Tagliabue and certainly no Pete Rozelle.

Leading a closed member association when you are not a member/owner means you are constantly playing politics. Goodell is probably done now.

This is what you get you make a public school guy from Bronxville and a jets fan no less your leader. :ace

by **DavidGordonsFoot** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:46 am

claver2010 {l Wrote}:
"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend," Janay Rice wrote. "But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain that [the] media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his [butt off] for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific.

"THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/rave ... z3Cp8O2XOb

wut?

Stockholm Syndrome.

by **DavidGordonsFoot** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:51 am

ATLeagle {l Wrote}:He's a front for them to battle the NLFPA and to be the voice of the League. They don't need him and will get rid of him once he becomes more trouble than he is worth (which might be soon).

Agreed. Goodell's job security is 99% tied to his record in the board room versus the NFLPA. The other 1% is reserved in the event he pulls a Aaron Hernandez or something similar.

by **Reverend Mike** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:01 am

DavidGordonsFoot {l Wrote}:
claver2010 {l Wrote}:
"I woke up this morning feeling like I had a horrible nightmare, feeling like I'm mourning the death of my closest friend," Janay Rice wrote. "But to have to accept the fact that it's reality is a nightmare in itself. No one knows the pain that [the] media & unwanted options from the public has caused my family. To make us relive a moment in our lives that we regret every day is a horrible thing. To take something away from the man I love that he has worked his [butt off] for all his life just to gain ratings is horrific.

"THIS IS OUR LIFE! What don't you all get. If your intentions were to hurt us, embarrass us, make us feel alone, take all happiness away, you've succeeded on so many levels. Just know we will continue to grow & show the world what real love is! Ravensnation we love you!"

Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/rave ... z3Cp8O2XOb

wut?

Stockholm Syndrome.

Is it still stockholm syndrome if your captor gives you Bentleys and Jimmy Choo shoes?

by **b0mberMan** on Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:17 am

The NFL wasn't covering up Ray Rice. They just fucked up. More than likely what happened was:

1) The 2 game suspension was what they could enforce without having to fight with the NFLPA.
2) They fucked up and underestimated the public reaction to this.

Goodell is not a mastermind. Nor is he there to serve the interestes of a past-prime RB. I feel like there are a few players in the NFL that you could get me on the cover-up/conspiracy theory side of thing, and Rice isn't even anywhere near that list.

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