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How's it going down?

Cards in 4
1
13%
Sox in 4
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Cards in 5
1
13%
Sox in 5
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Cards in 6
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No votes
Sox in 6
5
63%
Cards in 7
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No votes
Sox in 7
1
13%
 
Total votes : 8

Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:30 pm

hansen {l Wrote}:...cards winning game 6 and the redsox winning the decider in 7 which will be a punch to the balls.

this is my assumption of future events
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:30 pm

Not entirely sure why Matheny has 2 guys in the pen that will never pitch. Given the pressure and the temperature of the WS, starters generally dominate and go longer, and given that there is no tomorrow, the better relievers generally give you a ton more innings (this has been the Sox formula with Foulke in '04, Papsmear in '07, and now Koji in '13). There was no reason to carry a 5th starter and your deposed closer. Unless the Cards don't have any RH bats in their system other than the backup catcher, in which case grabbing Axford at the trade deadline instead of a guy that can get hit Lester and Dubront will turn out to be the death knell.

Maybe hansen can explain, since I didn't see the game, but how did that lineup light up Kershaw in the clincher of the NLCS? Ryu had success right? I didn't follow that closely.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:35 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
hansen {l Wrote}:...cards winning game 6 and the redsox winning the decider in 7 which will be a punch to the balls.

this is my assumption of future events


On paper this is the likely outcome. However, I would note three mitigating factors: (1) Wacha, while awesome, is still a rookie pitching in Fenway in what could be the first clinching game there since 1918; and (2) although it didn't result in many runs, some of the long silent Red Sox bats showed some life this past game (Ellsbury in particular); (3) the Sox are throwing Lackey in Game 6, who has clinched a WS in his career and seems to be hitting on all cylinders.

Expect it to be close and low scoring, and would avoid the money line like the plague (as I said the last time these two matched up) but if forced to pick, I would stick with my original prediction and say Sox in 6 on a hot game from Ellsbury to guarantee that he never wears the uniform again (eff you Boras).
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby hansen on Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:44 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Not entirely sure why Matheny has 2 guys in the pen that will never pitch. Given the pressure and the temperature of the WS, starters generally dominate and go longer, and given that there is no tomorrow, the better relievers generally give you a ton more innings (this has been the Sox formula with Foulke in '04, Papsmear in '07, and now Koji in '13). There was no reason to carry a 5th starter and your deposed closer. Unless the Cards don't have any RH bats in their system other than the backup catcher, in which case grabbing Axford at the trade deadline instead of a guy that can get hit Lester and Dubront will turn out to be the death knell.

Maybe hansen can explain, since I didn't see the game, but how did that lineup light up Kershaw in the clincher of the NLCS? Ryu had success right? I didn't follow that closely.


One was a long reliever which was insurance for Lynn in case he only went a 1/3 of an inning or something ridiculous like that. mujica is a disaster; it was a tactical blunder keeping him on this roster.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby hansen on Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:47 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
hansen {l Wrote}:...cards winning game 6 and the redsox winning the decider in 7 which will be a punch to the balls.

this is my assumption of future events


On paper this is the likely outcome. However, I would note three mitigating factors: (1) Wacha, while awesome, is still a rookie pitching in Fenway in what could be the first clinching game there since 1918; and (2) although it didn't result in many runs, some of the long silent Red Sox bats showed some life this past game (Ellsbury in particular); (3) the Sox are throwing Lackey in Game 6, who has clinched a WS in his career and seems to be hitting on all cylinders.

Expect it to be close and low scoring, and would avoid the money line like the plague (as I said the last time these two matched up) but if forced to pick, I would stick with my original prediction and say Sox in 6 on a hot game from Ellsbury to guarantee that he never wears the uniform again (eff you Boras).


i would still argue the redsox bats are still dormant. they're RBIs last night were balls down the line that could have gone either way. colelctively, their BAs are below .200. Ortiz is the exception; guy is on another planet now. if i was matheny, then i would not pitch to him in any situation (and that includes bases loaded). maybe wacha can with his stuff (once or twice through the order) but no one else on the team has the stuff to get him out right now.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 12:54 pm

hansen {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
hansen {l Wrote}:...cards winning game 6 and the redsox winning the decider in 7 which will be a punch to the balls.

this is my assumption of future events


On paper this is the likely outcome. However, I would note three mitigating factors: (1) Wacha, while awesome, is still a rookie pitching in Fenway in what could be the first clinching game there since 1918; and (2) although it didn't result in many runs, some of the long silent Red Sox bats showed some life this past game (Ellsbury in particular); (3) the Sox are throwing Lackey in Game 6, who has clinched a WS in his career and seems to be hitting on all cylinders.

Expect it to be close and low scoring, and would avoid the money line like the plague (as I said the last time these two matched up) but if forced to pick, I would stick with my original prediction and say Sox in 6 on a hot game from Ellsbury to guarantee that he never wears the uniform again (eff you Boras).


i would still argue the redsox bats are still dormant. they're RBIs last night were balls down the line that could have gone either way. colelctively, their BAs are below .200. Ortiz is the exception; guy is on another planet now. if i was matheny, then i would not pitch to him in any situation (and that includes bases loaded). maybe wacha can with his stuff (once or twice through the order) but no one else on the team has the stuff to get him out right now.


Ellsbury's RBI single was a solid line drive to center, and right now, if you had to guess which way Papi's balls down the line would go, which way would it be? I'll give you Ross' hit was a tough one.

I was also referring to the fact that Boegarts had two sold shots up the middle on filthy curve balls, Pedroia roped a double in the corner, The Ghost of JD Drew's little brother hit one to the track, and Napoli and Victorino (probably) are returning to the lineup. Wainwright was nasty last night, but they hit some balls hard. Papi's only out was a rocket right at CF.

I know Papi had three of them, but they did have 9 hits last night off of a guy who had his good stuff. They didn't string them together other than the 7th, when they had three hits, but given where they were before there were some good signs.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby commavegarage on Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:32 pm

originally said sox in 6, now i think its cards in 7.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:15 am

commavegarage {l Wrote}:originally said sox in 6, now i think its cards in 7.


I assume this is to prompt some action on the board since hansen gave up.

Similar to the game 6 home pounding of Kershaw in the NLCS by a team that cannot hit lefties, this feels like it is over despite the opposing starting pitcher being out of his mind. This will be the second time the Sox see him in Fenway in a week, and that usually bodes well for them.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby commavegarage on Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:34 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
commavegarage {l Wrote}:originally said sox in 6, now i think its cards in 7.


I assume this is to prompt some action on the board since hansen gave up.

Similar to the game 6 home pounding of Kershaw in the NLCS by a team that cannot hit lefties, this feels like it is over despite the opposing starting pitcher being out of his mind. This will be the second time the Sox see him in Fenway in a week, and that usually bodes well for them.


i simply like wacha tonight. gut feeling.

then when game 7 comes anything can happen.

i really dont care about the outcome one way or another. i have found the sox enjoyable to watch this season.

ill be in the building tonight :tophat
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:38 am

I'm jealous. I passed on tickets a week ago, starting to regret that. Guess I will just listen out the window and put the pictures on the TV. Dress warm.

Wacha's the kind of pitcher the Sox usually hit in the regular season once they have seen them. He has a strange delivery and good stuff on the heat, but he is a two pitch pitcher (fastball/change) with a curve that is by definition a hanger. He can't get it down.

That's not to say he can't win tonight. He's just not likely to if Lackey holds the Cards under 3 through 7.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby commavegarage on Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:47 am

lackey's been unbelievable this postseason...who would've thought...
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:02 am

commavegarage {l Wrote}:lackey's been unbelievable this postseason...who would've thought...


He had a good regular season (the W-L total is really deceptive) but he wasn't this good. Never saw it coming. That said, the relief thing was no big deal, he used it as his side session.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby pick6pedro on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:14 am

The thought of Jake Peavy on the mound tomorrow should be enough to scare the Sox offense into some late-inning scores.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:19 am

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:The thought of Jake Peavy on the mound tomorrow should be enough to scare the Sox offense into some late-inning scores.


His performance would've been fine if not for Breslow. Wasn't great, but certainly enough to get to Dubront, who the Cards can't touch because he is left handed. In fact, they may start Dubront and use Lester out of the pen. That's what I would do.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby pick6pedro on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:41 am

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:The thought of Jake Peavy on the mound tomorrow should be enough to scare the Sox offense into some late-inning scores.


His performance would've been fine if not for Breslow. Wasn't great, but certainly enough to get to Dubront, who the Cards can't touch because he is left handed. In fact, they may start Dubront and use Lester out of the pen. That's what I would do.



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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:10 am

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:The thought of Jake Peavy on the mound tomorrow should be enough to scare the Sox offense into some late-inning scores.


His performance would've been fine if not for Breslow. Wasn't great, but certainly enough to get to Dubront, who the Cards can't touch because he is left handed. In fact, they may start Dubront and use Lester out of the pen. That's what I would do.



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Well played. Of course, I could have just said "Joe Kelly, starting Game 7, in Fenway Park".
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby hansen on Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:27 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
commavegarage {l Wrote}:originally said sox in 6, now i think its cards in 7.


I assume this is to prompt some action on the board since hansen gave up.


i'm sick and need to travel to japan next week on business.
i hate traveling while sick so i am at home in bed trying to get better.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby hansen on Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:28 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:The thought of Jake Peavy on the mound tomorrow should be enough to scare the Sox offense into some late-inning scores.


His performance would've been fine if not for Breslow. Wasn't great, but certainly enough to get to Dubront, who the Cards can't touch because he is left handed. In fact, they may start Dubront and use Lester out of the pen. That's what I would do.


starting jake peavy in game 7 would be a disaster for the redsox. maybe it would work but it's not the move that I would make if i was managing that team.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:46 pm

hansen {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:The thought of Jake Peavy on the mound tomorrow should be enough to scare the Sox offense into some late-inning scores.


His performance would've been fine if not for Breslow. Wasn't great, but certainly enough to get to Dubront, who the Cards can't touch because he is left handed. In fact, they may start Dubront and use Lester out of the pen. That's what I would do.


starting jake peavy in game 7 would be a disaster for the redsox. maybe it would work but it's not the move that I would make if i was managing that team.


Given the the availability of both Lester and Dubront in Game 7, I would take 5 IP and 2 ER from Peavy and expect a win. He wasn't remotely close to a "disaster" in his last start. Breslow was the disaster.

Peavy had a great start against TB, a very bad start against DET and a mediocre start against STL. And as was the case in Game 3, he was yanked before anything bad could happen. Starting Peavy doesn't concern me, although I would rather see Dubront. Buchholz is a different story - he better be done for the series. '

It's not going to matter, however.

You'll get to see the Sox second parade in Japan - that's pretty cool.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:59 pm

why would the sawks hold a parade in japan?
now in the street there is violence
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:15 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:why would the sawks hold a parade in japan?


For the other half of their roster.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby pick6pedro on Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:32 pm

Spotted a dude near my office carrying a hanger high above the ground - through the plastic bag you could see that his brighter-than-white red sox jersey was the item he had dry cleaned. Saw a Carl Everett jersey shortly thereafter.

What is wrong with you people?
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:36 pm

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Spotted a dude near my office carrying a hanger high above the ground - through the plastic bag you could see that his brighter-than-white red sox jersey was the item he had dry cleaned. Saw a Carl Everett jersey shortly thereafter.

What is wrong with you people?


No idea. My drunkenly purchased Trot Nixon/JD Drew official home jersey is buried at the bottom of my storage unit. Was purchased on a random night in 2004 when those with me also purchased Varitek and Everett (now Ellsbury) jerseys. $700 total for shit not likely worn again (by the guys that purchased them at least)
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby pick6pedro on Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:45 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Spotted a dude near my office carrying a hanger high above the ground - through the plastic bag you could see that his brighter-than-white red sox jersey was the item he had dry cleaned. Saw a Carl Everett jersey shortly thereafter.

What is wrong with you people?


No idea. My drunkenly purchased Trot Nixon/JD Drew official home jersey is buried at the bottom of my storage unit. Was purchased on a random night in 2004 when those with me also purchased Varitek and Everett (now Ellsbury) jerseys. $700 total for shit not likely worn again (by the guys that purchased them at least)


Was it a Thursday night?
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:54 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Spotted a dude near my office carrying a hanger high above the ground - through the plastic bag you could see that his brighter-than-white red sox jersey was the item he had dry cleaned. Saw a Carl Everett jersey shortly thereafter.

What is wrong with you people?


No idea. My drunkenly purchased Trot Nixon/JD Drew official home jersey is buried at the bottom of my storage unit. Was purchased on a random night in 2004 when those with me also purchased Varitek and Everett (now Ellsbury) jerseys. $700 total for shit not likely worn again (by the guys that purchased them at least)

which one was convicts?
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:59 pm

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Spotted a dude near my office carrying a hanger high above the ground - through the plastic bag you could see that his brighter-than-white red sox jersey was the item he had dry cleaned. Saw a Carl Everett jersey shortly thereafter.

What is wrong with you people?


No idea. My drunkenly purchased Trot Nixon/JD Drew official home jersey is buried at the bottom of my storage unit. Was purchased on a random night in 2004 when those with me also purchased Varitek and Everett (now Ellsbury) jerseys. $700 total for shit not likely worn again (by the guys that purchased them at least)


Was it a Thursday night?


Might have been
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby twballgame9 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:00 pm

TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Spotted a dude near my office carrying a hanger high above the ground - through the plastic bag you could see that his brighter-than-white red sox jersey was the item he had dry cleaned. Saw a Carl Everett jersey shortly thereafter.

What is wrong with you people?


No idea. My drunkenly purchased Trot Nixon/JD Drew official home jersey is buried at the bottom of my storage unit. Was purchased on a random night in 2004 when those with me also purchased Varitek and Everett (now Ellsbury) jerseys. $700 total for shit not likely worn again (by the guys that purchased them at least)

which one was convicts?


Convict was probably a freshman at BU at the time.
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby TobaccoRoadEagle on Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:03 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Spotted a dude near my office carrying a hanger high above the ground - through the plastic bag you could see that his brighter-than-white red sox jersey was the item he had dry cleaned. Saw a Carl Everett jersey shortly thereafter.

What is wrong with you people?


No idea. My drunkenly purchased Trot Nixon/JD Drew official home jersey is buried at the bottom of my storage unit. Was purchased on a random night in 2004 when those with me also purchased Varitek and Everett (now Ellsbury) jerseys. $700 total for shit not likely worn again (by the guys that purchased them at least)

which one was convicts?


Convict was probably a freshman at BU at the time.

so he was dunking on campus instead of enjoying an evening out with you? radnor will be glad to hear that...
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Postby pick6pedro on Wed Oct 30, 2013 4:32 pm

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
TobaccoRoadEagle {l Wrote}:
twballgame9 {l Wrote}:
pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Spotted a dude near my office carrying a hanger high above the ground - through the plastic bag you could see that his brighter-than-white red sox jersey was the item he had dry cleaned. Saw a Carl Everett jersey shortly thereafter.

What is wrong with you people?


No idea. My drunkenly purchased Trot Nixon/JD Drew official home jersey is buried at the bottom of my storage unit. Was purchased on a random night in 2004 when those with me also purchased Varitek and Everett (now Ellsbury) jerseys. $700 total for shit not likely worn again (by the guys that purchased them at least)

which one was convicts?


Convict was probably a freshman at BU at the time.


So his hockey sweater hadn't turned yellow with overuse and dryhumping yet?
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Re: 2013 World Series - St. Louis Cardinals vs. Boston Redsox

Postby hansen on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:18 pm

The story of this series can be summed up by this game 6 statistic:

Cards 9 hits, 1 run
Sox 8 hits, 6 runs

That's all I have left to say about this series.
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