Cain's perfect game

[EagleNYC]

A masterful performance. It's sparked the "best game ever" debate. Limiting it to the regular season I have to go with Wood's 20 K, 1 hit (infield) no walk performance. Only eights batters out of twenty eight put the ball in play.

[twballgame9]

A masterful performance. It's sparked the "best game ever" debate. Limiting it to the regular season I have to go with Wood's 20 K, 1 hit (infield) no walk performance. Only eights batters out of twenty eight put the ball in play.

I saw Pedro give up a home run to Chili Davis and then throw a 1-hitter against the Yankees with 17 strikeouts, in Yankee Stadium, in the playoff run in September, against a team that ended up winning the world series.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/11/sports/baseball-1-hit-17-strikeouts-no-way-for-the-yankees.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Martinez whiffed seven of the last eight hitters he faced. He retired the last 22 batters he faced. ''Wow,'' Cone said to Mariano Rivera.

''That is pitching,'' Rivera replied.

''Awesome,'' Girardi said later. ''The sharpest stuff I've seen,'' Pettitte said.

It was as if the Yankees were swinging within a darkened closet, for Martinez was throwing all three of his pitches for strikes. His fastball was moving, Tino Martinez said, and he was spinning his curveball for strikes, and when you looked for the fastball, he would then throw his changeup, the ball dropping away as if Pedro Martinez were manipulating it like a marionette. ''That is about as close to unhittable as you can find,'' Torre said. ''You can't fault the hitters.''

Jimy Williams, the Boston manager, said it was the best pitching effort he had ever seen. David Cone agreed, less than two months removed from throwing a perfect game. Joe Torre, the Yankees' manager, mentioned Bob Gibson and Sandy Koufax as he drew comparable efforts from his memory.

[bignick33]

Teddy mentions Pedro--and that's actually the type of stuff that Cain had last night. He had a multitude unhittable pitchers. Since he's developed a plus cutter, he's out-of-this-world when his command is sharp. As good as he was last night, he's been pitching really well for a while (seven straight wins, almost 20 consecutive scoreless innings, etc).

[claver2010]

Dickeys incredible run (esp for a knuckleballer) and this thread made me think of the best string of starts I've every seen.

Granted I don't go back nearly as far as some of you guys but Pedro with the Sox has to be up there

Here's Dickey's last 6 starts (sample size!!!)

6-0, 48.2 Inn, 21 H, 1 ER, .18 ERA, 63 Ks 5 BB

Looking for some Pedro numbers in his 23-4 season:

5 starts:

5-0, 41 Inn, 20 H. 4 ER, .88 ERA, 70 Ks 6 BBs

Which was in AL East steroid era

[bignick33]

Dickeys incredible run (esp for a knuckleballer) and this thread made me think of the best string of starts I've every seen.

Granted I don't go back nearly as far as some of you guys but Pedro with the Sox has to be up there

Here's Dickey's last 6 starts (sample size!!!)

6-0, 48.2 Inn, 21 H, 1 ER, .18 ERA, 63 Ks 5 BB

Looking for some Pedro numbers in his 23-4 season:

5 starts:

5-0, 41 Inn, 20 H. 4 ER, .88 ERA, 70 Ks 6 BBs

Which was in AL East steroid era

Wakefield went 14-1 with a 1.68 ERA in his first 17 starts (including 6 complete games) for the Red Sox in 1995 after getting called up from Pawtucket.

[twballgame9]

Dickeys incredible run (esp for a knuckleballer) and this thread made me think of the best string of starts I've every seen.

Granted I don't go back nearly as far as some of you guys but Pedro with the Sox has to be up there

Here's Dickey's last 6 starts (sample size!!!)

6-0, 48.2 Inn, 21 H, 1 ER, .18 ERA, 63 Ks 5 BB

Looking for some Pedro numbers in his 23-4 season:

5 starts:

5-0, 41 Inn, 20 H. 4 ER, .88 ERA, 70 Ks 6 BBs

Which was in AL East steroid era

Pedro is the greatest pitcher of all time in terms of dominance during his prime. It is not really close. For a five year period, he put up numbers similar to Koufax while pitching in the AL East, with a heavy Yankee unbalanced schedule during their dynasty, with 60% of the players juiced up, in a live ball era in small ballparks.

Imagine what he would have done in 1965 pitching home games in Chavez Ravine.

[claver2010]

Dickeys incredible run (esp for a knuckleballer) and this thread made me think of the best string of starts I've every seen.

Granted I don't go back nearly as far as some of you guys but Pedro with the Sox has to be up there

Here's Dickey's last 6 starts (sample size!!!)

6-0, 48.2 Inn, 21 H, 1 ER, .18 ERA, 63 Ks 5 BB

Looking for some Pedro numbers in his 23-4 season:

5 starts:

5-0, 41 Inn, 20 H. 4 ER, .88 ERA, 70 Ks 6 BBs

Which was in AL East steroid era

Wakefield went 14-1 with a 1.68 ERA in his first 17 starts (including 6 complete games) for the Red Sox in 1995 after getting called up from Pawtucket.

Sorry I bounced in around in my writing.

Pedro's "peak" was the best I've seen. Within one of those peaks, how his best stretches of starts compare to what Dickey is doing.

[BearTerritory]

Doc Ellis's no hitter while on LSD remains the standard by which all sober pitchers will be judged

[twballgame9]

In the span of 1999 and 2000, Martínez allowed 288 hits and 69 walks in 430 innings, with 597 strikeouts, an 0.83 WHIP, and a 1.90 ERA.

Jesus, I didn't even realize it was THAT good.

[Endless Mike]

Los Gigantes look pretty smart now for giving that big contract to Cain instead of the dirty hippie.

[flyingelvii]

I bet they probably wanted to lock Mitch from Dazed and Confused up to a long-term deal but he's seemed pretty dead set on just doing arbitration until he hits his FA years a la Papelbon. Sometimes it works out for the players, sometimes it doesn't.

[DavidGordonsFoot]

I bet they probably wanted to lock Mitch from Dazed and Confused up to a long-term deal but he's seemed pretty dead set on just doing arbitration until he hits his FA years a la Papelbon. Sometimes it works out for the players, sometimes it doesn't.

Fortunately for Lincecum, he is in year 1 of a 2-year $40 million deal he and the Giants agreed to in January. He won't see arbitration again, as he's eligible for free agency after the 2013 season.

Lincecum has just 13 more ER to allow to match his total from 2011.