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Lost amongst the hullabaloo of the obstruction call is the boneheaded decision by the catcher to throw to third with Kozma coming up to bat, middlebrooke not coming off the bag to keep the ball on the infield and preventing the play at the plate, and the poor managing by Farrell throughout the entire game.

Just sayin is all

hansen {l Wrote}:Lost amongst the hullabaloo of the obstruction call is the boneheaded decision by the catcher to throw to third with Kozma coming up to bat, middlebrooke not coming off the bag to keep the ball on the infield and preventing the play at the plate, and the poor managing by Farrell throughout the entire game.

Just sayin is all

the fact that a lot of people are commenting on how poorly managed that game was by farrell in spite of how the game ended goes to show just how bad he was last night.

he made multiple basic managerial blunders.

and that was interference.

Correct call. Most of the whining I've heard uses arguments that don't matter like the third base ump wasn't looking, it wasn't right on the base line, or there wasn't intent. Quit whining.

Damn, Teddy took the breakup with Rettig hard.

Onyx Blackman {l Wrote}:Damn, Teddy took the breakup with Rettig hard.

hard AND gay, it seems

Dubront seems like a heck of a pitcher from what little i've seen from him this series.

Farrell bringing in Breslow... Maybe the Cards still have a chance to comeback after all.

hansen {l Wrote}:Lost amongst the hullabaloo of the obstruction call is the boneheaded decision by the catcher to throw to third with Kozma coming up to bat, middlebrooke not coming off the bag to keep the ball on the infield and preventing the play at the plate, and the poor managing by Farrell throughout the entire game.

Just sayin is all

Correct. And I am sort of a Red Sox fan (but I don't really like pro sports)

Wow, of all ways for the Cards to make the final out in the 9th. That was embarrassing/shocking.

It would have been nice to see what Beltran would have done with a guy on first and the count 1-1 and Holliday on deck. Maybe nothing but how can you take the bat out of your 2-3 hitters' hands. Also, this team is missing Craig in the lineup more than the redsox miss Napoli. But, clearly his foot his not ready to go based on his baserunning in the 9th.

hansen {l Wrote}:Dubront seems like a heck of a pitcher from what little i've seen from him this series.

Farrell bringing in Breslow... Maybe the Cards still have a chance to comeback after all.

Doubront's good when he has it but consistency and walks have plagued him a lot. He's only 26 IIRC with some nasty stuff when he's on and I imagine he'll get first crack at the 5 spot, presuming they don't move any if the top 4 which isn't a safe presumption, over Workman and the exhumed corpse of Dempster.

1 run in 4 innings off that junk baller last night is embarrassing

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Correct call. Most of the whining I've heard uses arguments that don't matter like the third base ump wasn't looking, it wasn't right on the base line, or there wasn't intent. Quit whining.

"Unintentional Interference" is an oxymoron.

Even MLB knew it was stupid, they are already changing the rule. Every time Torre came out to talk about that call, he looked embarrassed.

Oh, and you don't make that call there ever. Like calling pass interference on a Hail Mary in the 4th Q of the SB - might have happened, but swallow the whistle.

hansen {l Wrote}:Dubront seems like a heck of a pitcher from what little i've seen from him this series.

Farrell bringing in Breslow... Maybe the Cards still have a chance to comeback after all.

Hansen, if you threw lefty you would look like a heck of a pitcher against the Cardinals. God they are bad against lefties. Why is that, because Craig can't play and Holliday is an old stiff at 32? I get that Beltran is much better lefty, but I have never seen anything like that.

hansen {l Wrote}:Wow, of all ways for the Cards to make the final out in the 9th. That was embarrassing/shocking.

It would have been nice to see what Beltran would have done with a guy on first and the count 1-1 and Holliday on deck. Maybe nothing but how can you take the bat out of your 2-3 hitters' hands. Also, this team is missing Craig in the lineup more than the redsox miss Napoli. But, clearly his foot his not ready to go based on his baserunning in the 9th.

Cards werent' coming back in that game. But yes, that was embarrassing. Almost as embarrassing as the goofy ass play by the two teams the previous 3 games. This has been one of the most poorly played world series in my memory.

And the two managers have completely lost their minds. If Matheny is not being crucified for the last few nights, STL really is a bunch of soft loser baseball fans, like their reputation.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

hansen {l Wrote}:Wow, of all ways for the Cards to make the final out in the 9th. That was embarrassing/shocking.

It would have been nice to see what Beltran would have done with a guy on first and the count 1-1 and Holliday on deck. Maybe nothing but how can you take the bat out of your 2-3 hitters' hands. Also, this team is missing Craig in the lineup more than the redsox miss Napoli. But, clearly his foot his not ready to go based on his baserunning in the 9th.

Cards werent' coming back in that game. But yes, that was embarrassing. Almost as embarrassing as the goofy ass play by the two teams the previous 3 games. This has been one of the most poorly played world series in my memory.

And the two managers have completely lost their minds. If Matheny is not being crucified for the last few nights, STL really is a bunch of soft loser baseball fans, like their reputation.

Some people were upset with some of his moves last night. To me, it was more about execution.
It's not Matheny's fault that Maness threw a "sinker" belt high. There are bad pitches and then there was THAT pitch.

hansen {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

hansen {l Wrote}:Wow, of all ways for the Cards to make the final out in the 9th. That was embarrassing/shocking.

It would have been nice to see what Beltran would have done with a guy on first and the count 1-1 and Holliday on deck. Maybe nothing but how can you take the bat out of your 2-3 hitters' hands. Also, this team is missing Craig in the lineup more than the redsox miss Napoli. But, clearly his foot his not ready to go based on his baserunning in the 9th.

Cards werent' coming back in that game. But yes, that was embarrassing. Almost as embarrassing as the goofy ass play by the two teams the previous 3 games. This has been one of the most poorly played world series in my memory.

And the two managers have completely lost their minds. If Matheny is not being crucified for the last few nights, STL really is a bunch of soft loser baseball fans, like their reputation.

Some people were upset with some of his moves last night. To me, it was more about execution.
It's not Matheny's fault that Maness threw a "sinker" belt high. There are bad pitches and then there was THAT pitch.

Maness pitching to Gomes, who is a cripple pitch hitter, is retarded. If you take Lynn out at all, you get a strikeout pitcher.

Matheny has been worse than Farrell. The only things worse than those two has been the two teams' defense, and predictably, Craig Breslow.

Also, if I were the Cardinals middle infielders, I wouldn't hang out near the bag too long on the neighborhood play tonight.

Must win for the Cards tonight.
Selig (in his best David Stern impression) appears to have decided this series is going 7.

p.s. are these the best umpires in the game right now? they are absolutely awful. no consistency to the strike zone from one batter to the next for either team.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:ass play

wow. perhaps i should have been watching these games? i figured it was just boring baseball with only a bunch of hansen and teddy clones tuning in and chose to watch football instead.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Also, if I were the Cardinals middle infielders, I wouldn't hang out near the bag too long on the neighborhood play tonight.

Just remember that Matt Holliday was highly recruiting for football. You dont want him coming in hard on your SS. i forget the player he took out a couple years ago but it was NOT a pretty sight. So be careful what you sow.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Correct call. Most of the whining I've heard uses arguments that don't matter like the third base ump wasn't looking, it wasn't right on the base line, or there wasn't intent. Quit whining.

"Unintentional Interference" is an oxymoron.

Even MLB knew it was stupid, they are already changing the rule. Every time Torre came out to talk about that call, he looked embarrassed.

Oh, and you don't make that call there ever. Like calling pass interference on a Hail Mary in the 4th Q of the SB - might have happened, but swallow the whistle.

I guess the umps should conform calls to the way the rule will be written in the future or ignore the rules at some times and not others. While I admit, SOP tends to be to swallow the whistle in those circumstances - it still doesn't make the call wrong or bogus or any of the other emotionally-driven words you used when it happened, so all of your bitching is still just bitching. I do agree that this is one of the sloppiest and mismanaged Series I've ever seen - and Ron Washington isn't even involved!

Now you know how the Raiders felt.

hansen {l Wrote}:Must win for the Cards tonight.
Selig (in his best David Stern impression) appears to have decided this series is going 7.

p.s. are these the best umpires in the game right now? they are absolutely awful. no consistency to the strike zone from one batter to the next for either team.

Haven't noticed the umpires make that many bad calls behind the plate. Sox bitch once in a while, but I don't think either team has any beefs there. Ignore that box, it is idiotic. And they have gotten a lot of tough calls right, including the overturn in Game 1, and the play by Pedroia last night. I'm not a fan of the interpretation of the obstruction rule, since the words Interference or obstruction by definition connote intent, and you shouldn't make that call there ever, but if that is what the league told them was the right way to call it, then fine.

I also haven't noticed anything to indicate that the games are being steered by anyone other than the players. Tough to make happen in baseball anyway.

Oh, and I think last night was the must win game for the Cards. But yes, if you think they can score on a lefty, tonight is an absolute must win.

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Correct call. Most of the whining I've heard uses arguments that don't matter like the third base ump wasn't looking, it wasn't right on the base line, or there wasn't intent. Quit whining.

"Unintentional Interference" is an oxymoron.

Even MLB knew it was stupid, they are already changing the rule. Every time Torre came out to talk about that call, he looked embarrassed.

Oh, and you don't make that call there ever. Like calling pass interference on a Hail Mary in the 4th Q of the SB - might have happened, but swallow the whistle.

I guess the umps should conform calls to the way the rule will be written in the future or ignore the rules at some times and not others. While I admit, SOP tends to be to swallow the whistle in those circumstances - it still doesn't make the call wrong or bogus or any of the other emotionally-driven words you used when it happened, so all of your bitching is still just bitching. I do agree that this is one of the sloppiest and mismanaged Series I've ever seen - and Ron Washington isn't even involved!

Now you know how the Raiders felt.

I freely admit that the call is technically correct now that I have seen the idiotic wording of the rule. My initial reaction was based on my knowledge of the high school/college rule from 20 years ago and plain English.

Even so, it is a stupid fucking rule called at a stupid time based on an interpretation of words that are inherently contradictory.

hansen {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:Also, if I were the Cardinals middle infielders, I wouldn't hang out near the bag too long on the neighborhood play tonight.

Just remember that Matt Holliday was highly recruiting for football. You dont want him coming in hard on your SS. i forget the player he took out a couple years ago but it was NOT a pretty sight. So be careful what you sow.

It's been sown already. That was my point. And if you think Matt Holliday is going to prevent retribution, you are nuts.

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Correct call. Most of the whining I've heard uses arguments that don't matter like the third base ump wasn't looking, it wasn't right on the base line, or there wasn't intent. Quit whining.

"Unintentional Interference" is an oxymoron.

Even MLB knew it was stupid, they are already changing the rule. Every time Torre came out to talk about that call, he looked embarrassed.

Oh, and you don't make that call there ever. Like calling pass interference on a Hail Mary in the 4th Q of the SB - might have happened, but swallow the whistle.

I guess the umps should conform calls to the way the rule will be written in the future or ignore the rules at some times and not others. While I admit, SOP tends to be to swallow the whistle in those circumstances - it still doesn't make the call wrong or bogus or any of the other emotionally-driven words you used when it happened, so all of your bitching is still just bitching. I do agree that this is one of the sloppiest and mismanaged Series I've ever seen - and Ron Washington isn't even involved!

Now you know how the Raiders felt.

Yep. Dumb rule, correct interpretation and it will be revisited in the offseason.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

hansen {l Wrote}:Must win for the Cards tonight.
Selig (in his best David Stern impression) appears to have decided this series is going 7.

p.s. are these the best umpires in the game right now? they are absolutely awful. no consistency to the strike zone from one batter to the next for either team.

Haven't noticed the umpires make that many bad calls behind the plate. Sox bitch once in a while, but I don't think either team has any beefs there. Ignore that box, it is idiotic. And they have gotten a lot of tough calls right, including the overturn in Game 1, and the play by Pedroia last night. I'm not a fan of the interpretation of the obstruction rule, since the words Interference or obstruction by definition connote intent, and you shouldn't make that call there ever, but if that is what the league told them was the right way to call it, then fine.

I also haven't noticed anything to indicate that the games are being steered by anyone other than the players. Tough to make happen in baseball anyway.

Oh, and I think last night was the must win game for the Cards. But yes, if you think they can score on a lefty, tonight is an absolute must win.

Well, the redsox fielders will surely spot the cardinals 1 run. i am hoping for a wainwright scoreless gem. he pulls them out of his ass every now and then... well, enough to convince commentators that he is still an "ace". i like the guy on the mound but he just doesn't have the stuff he once did so he needs to be maddux like sharp with his fastball to pitch well. the only thing left is that 12-6 curve but without a setup pitch it's hard to fool anyone.

It will be a Jesus level miracle if Wainwright holds the Sox to less than a few runs tonight. I think you are going to need them to figure out lefties, stat.

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This one was my favorite.

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:

twballgame9 {l Wrote}:

pick6pedro {l Wrote}:Correct call. Most of the whining I've heard uses arguments that don't matter like the third base ump wasn't looking, it wasn't right on the base line, or there wasn't intent. Quit whining.

"Unintentional Interference" is an oxymoron.

Even MLB knew it was stupid, they are already changing the rule. Every time Torre came out to talk about that call, he looked embarrassed.

Oh, and you don't make that call there ever. Like calling pass interference on a Hail Mary in the 4th Q of the SB - might have happened, but swallow the whistle.

I guess the umps should conform calls to the way the rule will be written in the future or ignore the rules at some times and not others. While I admit, SOP tends to be to swallow the whistle in those circumstances - it still doesn't make the call wrong or bogus or any of the other emotionally-driven words you used when it happened, so all of your bitching is still just bitching. I do agree that this is one of the sloppiest and mismanaged Series I've ever seen - and Ron Washington isn't even involved!

Now you know how the Raiders felt.

I freely admit that the call is technically correct now that I have seen the idiotic wording of the rule. My initial reaction was based on my knowledge of the high school/college rule from 20 years ago and plain English.

Even so, it is a stupid fucking rule called at a stupid time based on an interpretation of words that are inherently contradictory.

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