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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby twballgame9 on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:42 am

flyingelvii wrote:
twballgame9 wrote:
flyingelvii wrote:It was pretty transparent as I knew you aren't even stupid enough to believe some of the things you were spewing.


Oh, no, I certainly believe that getting rid of Gonzo and all of his stats is a net plus for the Red Sox in the long run. I also believe that despite being one of the best hitters in baseball, he will never sniff a ring.

I agree with the latter but that's mainly because he's on the Dodgers and, if they're willing to take on those three albatrosses, well, let's just say I'm not too confident in their player management skills.


Well that's absolutely true. I would go one step further though and say that Gonzo will always be a good enough player to take up too much payroll on any team where his personality has a chance to be successful. He is the classic guy that will do well in places that pay no attention to him, yet in those places he is 1/3 of the team payroll.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby Endless Mike on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:44 am

flyingelvii wrote:
Endless Mike wrote:I can't really say I have an opinion on the potential head coaches that have been named so far. I don't really get the love affair with Farrell but I wouldn't even know who I would want. Is it just me or does it seem like it's a lot harder to get excited about baseball managers than football coaches?

Baseball managers should, at least in theory, have less of an effect on the outcome of the games than football coaches. Whereas football coaches are involved in every single moment of the game, managers can typically sit on their ass for five innings before making a big decision. A lot of their job is left up to player execution. And, no, I don't consider shifts or that such to be a big decision.



Yeah, I suppose all you need from a baseball manager is someone who can manage a bullpen and set a lineup and rotation.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby twballgame9 on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:51 am

Endless Mike wrote:
flyingelvii wrote:
Endless Mike wrote:I can't really say I have an opinion on the potential head coaches that have been named so far. I don't really get the love affair with Farrell but I wouldn't even know who I would want. Is it just me or does it seem like it's a lot harder to get excited about baseball managers than football coaches?

Baseball managers should, at least in theory, have less of an effect on the outcome of the games than football coaches. Whereas football coaches are involved in every single moment of the game, managers can typically sit on their ass for five innings before making a big decision. A lot of their job is left up to player execution. And, no, I don't consider shifts or that such to be a big decision.



Yeah, I suppose all you need from a baseball manager is someone who can manage a bullpen and set a lineup and rotation.


Elvii and I won't agree on these things, because he doesn't believe in them, but I would also add proper use of the bunt, hit and run, and steal. He acknowledged defensive positioning, and although I agree shifts aren't a huge decision, batter to batter adjustments are pretty important. Managers primarily need to be baby sitters in today's MLB, which is why dim witted nice guys like Francona, who don't demonstrate much knowledge of the game, are able to have success - players play for them.

I'd argue that a good manager can do certain things in a game, particularly with the bullpen and baserunning, to have an impact on the score of 20-25 games a year. In the grand scheme of 162 games, that doesn't seem like much, but the difference between 15-5 and 5-15 in those games can often make the difference in making the playoffs. Ask Buck Showalter.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby flyingelvii on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:51 am

Endless Mike wrote:
flyingelvii wrote:
Endless Mike wrote:I can't really say I have an opinion on the potential head coaches that have been named so far. I don't really get the love affair with Farrell but I wouldn't even know who I would want. Is it just me or does it seem like it's a lot harder to get excited about baseball managers than football coaches?

Baseball managers should, at least in theory, have less of an effect on the outcome of the games than football coaches. Whereas football coaches are involved in every single moment of the game, managers can typically sit on their ass for five innings before making a big decision. A lot of their job is left up to player execution. And, no, I don't consider shifts or that such to be a big decision.



Yeah, I suppose all you need from a baseball manager is someone who can manage a bullpen and set a lineup and rotation.

And not alienate a locker room. Thankfully the Red Sox employed one that could do none of the three last year.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby vegasEagle on Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:43 pm

sox trade mike avilas for new manager farrell and a player to named later (ellipses)

looks good on paper
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby Endless Mike on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:19 pm

HAPPY HOT STOVE SEASON!!

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/2012/11/08/bdc-redsoxhotstovereports-gallery/k11JAWWW1GgcLJYTfIrL6O/pictures.html

Some alleged targets for Cherington:

-Shane Victorino
-Mike Napoli (at 1B)
-resigning Cody Ross
-Torii Hunter
-Anibal Sanchez
-Hiroki Kuroda
-Dan Haren
-Adam LaRoche (who was here for about a week before he was mysteriously traded)
-Justin Masterson
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby pick6pedro on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:35 pm

Endless Mike wrote:HAPPY HOT STOVE SEASON!!

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/2012/11/08/bdc-redsoxhotstovereports-gallery/k11JAWWW1GgcLJYTfIrL6O/pictures.html

Some alleged targets for Cherington:

-Shane Victorino
-Mike Napoli (at 1B)
-resigning Cody Ross
-Torii Hunter
-Anibal Sanchez
-Hiroki Kuroda
-Dan Haren
-Adam LaRoche (who was here for about a week before he was mysteriously traded)
-Justin Masterson


In other words, they're still going to suck.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby pick6pedro on Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:00 pm

Endless Mike wrote:HAPPY HOT STOVE SEASON!!

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/2012/11/08/bdc-redsoxhotstovereports-gallery/k11JAWWW1GgcLJYTfIrL6O/pictures.html

Some alleged targets for Cherington:

-Shane Victorino
-Mike Napoli (at 1B)
-resigning Cody Ross
-Torii Hunter
-Anibal Sanchez
-Hiroki Kuroda
-Dan Haren
-Adam LaRoche (who was here for about a week before he was mysteriously traded)
-Justin Masterson


Hunter signs with Tigers
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby Endless Mike on Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:06 pm

pick6pedro wrote:
Endless Mike wrote:HAPPY HOT STOVE SEASON!!

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/2012/11/08/bdc-redsoxhotstovereports-gallery/k11JAWWW1GgcLJYTfIrL6O/pictures.html

Some alleged targets for Cherington:

-Shane Victorino
-Mike Napoli (at 1B)
-resigning Cody Ross
-Torii Hunter
-Anibal Sanchez
-Hiroki Kuroda
-Dan Haren
-Adam LaRoche (who was here for about a week before he was mysteriously traded)
-Justin Masterson


In other words, they're still going to suck.


Truth.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby Endless Mike on Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:06 pm

pick6pedro wrote:
Endless Mike wrote:HAPPY HOT STOVE SEASON!!

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/2012/11/08/bdc-redsoxhotstovereports-gallery/k11JAWWW1GgcLJYTfIrL6O/pictures.html

Some alleged targets for Cherington:

-Shane Victorino
-Mike Napoli (at 1B)
-resigning Cody Ross
-Torii Hunter
-Anibal Sanchez
-Hiroki Kuroda
-Dan Haren
-Adam LaRoche (who was here for about a week before he was mysteriously traded)
-Justin Masterson


Hunter signs with Tigers


They dodged a bullet there.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:37 am

Cody Ross, Anibel Sanchez and check please. They won't suck if the pitchers get their heads back on straight with Farrell, otherwise, they are screwed.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby Endless Mike on Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:55 am

Anibal would be nice. That would leave them with:
-Lester
-Buchholz
-Sanchez
-Doubront
-Morales? Lackey?

I still think they'd need to add one more starter.

I would be okay with them re-signing Ross for RF.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby twballgame9 on Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:53 pm

Endless Mike wrote:Anibal would be nice. That would leave them with:
-Lester
-Buchholz
-Sanchez
-Doubront
-Morales? Lackey?

I still think they'd need to add one more starter.

I would be okay with them re-signing Ross for RF.


I like Rubby De la Rosa for the 5th spot.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby Endless Mike on Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:43 pm

http://www.boston.com/sports/touching_all_the_bases/2012/11/jon_lester_for_wil_myers_hmmm.html

Supposedly the Red Sox have discussed a Lester for Wil Myers trade.

Also, the Jonny Gomes era begins. Not exciting stats wise, but he's supposed to be a big clubhouse leader.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20221125gomes_givessox_a_facelift
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby Shredder on Mon Dec 03, 2012 8:34 pm

Three years/$39M for Napoli is a pretty good signing. I figured he'd be the kind of guy who got a little too much for a little too long. He gives them some of the power that they need and doesn't tie up the roster or payroll.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby Endless Mike on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:49 pm

Shane Victorino, 3 years $39 million.

A friend put it best: "This is like when you're playing video game baseball and trade away all of your bad contracts and then sign whoever is left on the FA list until better guys become FAs. Except you can't sim 3 years away in real life."
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby claver2010 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:48 pm

Victorino was shot last year

Solid use of newly acquired $$
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:35 pm

Victorino is Coco Crisp with slightly more pop and a lot more cash (double the annual average value of Coco's contract with Oakland).
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby EagleNYC on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:20 pm

I dislike the Victorino signing as much as I like the Napoli signing, although both probably got paid more than they could get elsewhere. As claver noted, they didn't hold onto that extra cash for very long.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby flyingelvii on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:57 pm

The Uehara signing was fantastic. Napoli was good not great. Flyin' Hawaiian was Julio Lugo-esque.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby twballgame9 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:08 pm

flyingelvii wrote:The Uehara signing was fantastic. Napoli was good not great. Flyin' Hawaiian was Julio Lugo-esque.


Agree for the most part. Would just note that Theo gave Lugo the money before he fell off a cliff. The current overrated GM gave Victorino the money after he fell off a cliff.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby flyingelvii on Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:06 pm

I'm not even sure Lugo got high enough off the ground to actually fall off a cliff.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby Endless Mike on Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:58 am

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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby pick6pedro on Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:29 am

I was laughing at the Hawaiian signing, but not this one. Good get. Fuck.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:06 pm

pick6pedro wrote:I was laughing at the Hawaiian signing, but not this one. Good get. Fuck.


But were you laughing as you typed this?
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby pick6pedro on Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:08 pm

DavidGordonsFoot wrote:
pick6pedro wrote:I was laughing at the Hawaiian signing, but not this one. Good get. Fuck.


But were you laughing as you typed this?


Fedex couldn't understand me I was laughing so hard.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby twballgame9 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:32 pm

I call this a good signing if Dempster proves he can pitch in the American League. If he duplicates his national league stats, fantastic signing. With Farrell back, that could be a great rotation.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby Endless Mike on Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:50 am

I like the Uehara and Dempster signings. Stephen Drew, not so much.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby DavidGordonsFoot on Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:06 pm

Endless Mike wrote: Stephen Drew, not so much.


He's actually worth a tick above $9.5 million.
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Re: Red Sox Weirdos

Postby flyingelvii on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:58 pm

Meh, it's one year and it's not like he's going to block Iglesias or anything.
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